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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

One question - since Narakasura was the ruler of Pragjyotisha (today's Assam), and Krishna and Satyabhama were Yadavas in Dwaraka, how is the Krishna vs Narakasura such a special story in the South to the extent that they came up with a unique version of it not found either in the Krishna Puranas, nor Mahabharat?

My guess again . . .
There were many who propagated the Vaishnavaite tradition in the South - the 12 Alwars chief among them. And some have written the Mahabharat in Tamil - either in poetry format or in text. I remember reading a poetry format of the Mahabharat in Tamil long long ago when I was in school. It was a very old book and I don't remember its name or author. I do not know a lot on the Mahabharat and its versions. I am not sure of the origin of the story but it is believed in South India.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

My guess again . . .
There were many who propagated the Vaishnavaite tradition in the South - the 12 Alwars chief among them. And some have written the Mahabharat in Tamil - either in poetry format or in text. I remember reading a poetry format of the Mahabharat in Tamil long long ago when I was in school. It was a very old book and I don't remember its name or author. I do not know a lot on the Mahabharat and its versions. I am not sure of the origin of the story but it is believed in South India.

Historians say that after the massacre at Dwaraka , yadavas scattered all over India , some even went overseas. Again the Ayars of Tamilnadu are believed to have Yadav ancestory.
Even today many customs of Tamilians are similar to what are described in MBH about customs of Yadavas , like the marriage of Arjun and Subhadra who were maternal cousins, this custom prevails in south India.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Lakshman meeting Urmila in the garden?! Sita slapping a rakshasi??! Never happened!!
I too believe Valmiki Ramayan as authentic but also don't deny that Ramayana of valmiki too has evolved through ages....

Agreed. However, while deviations are deviations, somehow, the 2 incidents you mention aren't as story altering as the one I cited about Duryodhan cremating Karna (and there are far more throughout the MBH). You might have picked a more stark example in Kumbhakarna falling asleep in battle, which was funny, yet story altering (unless any of the other translations have that), or Kaushalya, Sumitra & Urmila reconciling with Kaikeyi, or Shurpanakhas prominence in the Yudhya-kand.

At any rate, your original point is well taken.

Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago

I'll try & steer this discussion back to the Ramayan.

One question - why did Bharat, who wept at Rama having to sleep on the ground, make Rama walk barefoot, which would surely have been more uncomfortable? He should have taken his padukas and given him substitute footwear. Also Sita - why did she have to be barefoot when going into exile? Didn't women wear footwear in those days? In the serial, all women are shown wearing footwear - Mandodari, Anjani, even the 3 rajmatas. (In fact, yesterday, Anjani was even wearing it while preparing the alpana(?) to welcome Rama.) Or was it that there was nothing rugged that would withstand 14 years of wear? What is shown is the opposite of what's normal - one could walk barefoot in the comfy palace, but one would definitely need padukas or something if one was going into exile. All 3 of them should have worn that, with Rama taking an extra pair to give Bharat.

I do hope they show them wearing fine shoes. In the previous Uttar Ramayan, everybody, except Vaishistha & Valmiki, were shown barefoot.
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Posted: 16 years ago
FOLKS !!! thanks for all the info abt dwapar yuga but guys it will b great if we stick to discussions abt RAMAYAN ONLY ,as SAGARS visit the forum & they read our views abt the show RAMAYAN & our likes & dislikes abt the show RAMAYAN ,
discussing mahabharat & all the long discussions abt MAHABHARAT wud confuse sagars & they will loose interest in our views n all ,as the global mod wrote in the very first page of this thread tht we will b discussing abt this GREAT SHOW RAMAYAN over here !!!!
i hope u all will understand my point of view !!!! plz!!! its a humble request !!!!😊
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

I'll try & steer this discussion back to the Ramayan.

One question - why did Bharat, who wept at Rama having to sleep on the ground, make Rama walk barefoot, which would surely have been more uncomfortable? He should have taken his padukas and given him substitute footwear. Also Sita - why did she have to be barefoot when going into exile? Didn't women wear footwear in those days? In the serial, all women are shown wearing footwear - Mandodari, Anjani, even the 3 rajmatas. (In fact, yesterday, Anjani was even wearing it while preparing the alpana(?) to welcome Rama.) Or was it that there was nothing rugged that would withstand 14 years of wear? What is shown is the opposite of what's normal - one could walk barefoot in the comfy palace, but one would definitely need padukas or something if one was going into exile. All 3 of them should have worn that, with Rama taking an extra pair to give Bharat.

I do hope they show them wearing fine shoes. In the previous Uttar Ramayan, everybody, except Vaishistha & Valmiki, were shown barefoot.

I read somewhere that Ram did go barefoot after Bharat requested his sandals. But nothing is mentioned about it in the Yudha Kanda. Warriors should have worn something to protect their feet - it wouldn't be good to walk barefoot on war grounds. The ladies usually don't wear footware, I guess. But not sure again. But after Ram gave up his sandals to Bharat, Sita would not have preferred to wear footware (if the women wear any) and Lakshman would not have worn it either when his elder brother was walking barefoot.
It is possible that they could have hunted some animal and used its skin for footware.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

I'll try & steer this discussion back to the Ramayan.

One question - why did Bharat, who wept at Rama having to sleep on the ground, make Rama walk barefoot, which would surely have been more uncomfortable? He should have taken his padukas and given him substitute footwear. Also Sita - why did she have to be barefoot when going into exile? Didn't women wear footwear in those days? In the serial, all women are shown wearing footwear - Mandodari, Anjani, even the 3 rajmatas. (In fact, yesterday, Anjani was even wearing it while preparing the alpana(?) to welcome Rama.) Or was it that there was nothing rugged that would withstand 14 years of wear? What is shown is the opposite of what's normal - one could walk barefoot in the comfy palace, but one would definitely need padukas or something if one was going into exile. All 3 of them should have worn that, with Rama taking an extra pair to give Bharat.

I do hope they show them wearing fine shoes. In the previous Uttar Ramayan, everybody, except Vaishistha & Valmiki, were shown barefoot.

thanks for the info abt the khadaus (the wooden slippers)
yup all the women in those days used to wear wooden sandals (khadau) !!!!
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Agreed. However, while deviations are deviations, somehow, the 2 incidents you mention aren't as story altering as the one I cited about Duryodhan cremating Karna (and there are far more throughout the MBH). You might have picked a more stark example in Kumbhakarna falling asleep in battle, which was funny, yet story altering (unless any of the other translations have that), or Kaushalya, Sumitra & Urmila reconciling with Kaikeyi, or Shurpanakhas prominence in the Yudhya-kand.

At any rate, your original point is well taken.

Sita slapping a rakshasi IS a stark example of 'making up things' . It is very much defaming to somebody of Sita's stature... apart from such things I really don't have complaints from this serial;
😳 Good that my original point is well taken.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

I'll try & steer this discussion back to the Ramayan.

One question - why did Bharat, who wept at Rama having to sleep on the ground, make Rama walk barefoot, which would surely have been more uncomfortable? He should have taken his padukas and given him substitute footwear. Also Sita - why did she have to be barefoot when going into exile? Didn't women wear footwear in those days? In the serial, all women are shown wearing footwear - Mandodari, Anjani, even the 3 rajmatas. (In fact, yesterday, Anjani was even wearing it while preparing the alpana(?) to welcome Rama.) Or was it that there was nothing rugged that would withstand 14 years of wear? What is shown is the opposite of what's normal - one could walk barefoot in the comfy palace, but one would definitely need padukas or something if one was going into exile. All 3 of them should have worn that, with Rama taking an extra pair to give Bharat.

I do hope they show them wearing fine shoes. In the previous Uttar Ramayan, everybody, except Vaishistha & Valmiki, were shown barefoot.



Actually in Valmiki Ramayan, Bharat brings a golden paduka ( I think it was) and it was embedded with many precious gems. This paduka was fit for a king and Bharat brings that hoping to crown Ram and take him back to Ayodhaya. When Ram refuses, he asks Ram to step on the princely gem studded paduka for a minute and then places that paduka on his head. He does not take the paduka that Ram wears for the vanvas. I was very surprised when I was reading Valmiki Ramayan the other day. I always believed that Bharat took Ram's vanvas padukas with him because that is the way it is shown in the movies and serials.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Sita slapping a rakshasi IS a stark example of 'making up things' . It is very much defaming to somebody of Sita's stature... apart from such things I really don't have complaints from this serial;
😳 Good that my original point is well taken.



Another example of 'making things up' was Kaikeyi telling Bharat that she will take the Ayodhay sena and help Ram/Lakshman during the battle. Unless this episode and dialogue is present in some Ramayan, I cannot reconcile myself with the situation and dialogue they showed on screen. 😡


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