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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: godisone

The First 8 wives of Krishna were all incarnations of the Ashta Lakshmis (there are eight of them). Rukmini was Adi Lakshmi and so on....
Also, all the Ashta Lakshmis are ultimately one Lakshmi only, so Krishna's First 8 Wives weren't really co-wives. It was just Maya (Illusion), because they are all incarnations of Lakshmi.
After Ramayana War happened, Rama granted boons to all those who helped him. To Lakshmana, he said, "Since you have served me with devotion in this life, in the next life, I will be born as your younger brother and serve you." That's why Sesh-Nag was reborn as Balaram, and elder to Shri Krishna.

But then Balram is actually considered one of Vishnu's own avatar also though the fact stays that he was the avatar of Seshnaag.... any stories on that?
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Posted: 16 years ago
As for Krishna's favorite, I heard that is was Jambavathi😳. From the different accounts written here, I'd say that Shri Krishna's favorite wives were his 1st three.
But...I've always thought, would Shri Krishna, the all knower one, and an avatar of Lord Vishnu, have favorites? Wouldn't it be too human to have favorites? After all, the First 8 Wives are all avatars of the Ashta Lakshmis, so ultimately, Maha Lakshmi.
But one thing is for sure: the co-wives all had favorites of their own. I read that Rukmini's favorite co-wife was Jambavathi, and vice versa, and that Jambavathi and Satyabhama always had a cold war. Rukmini got along with all of Shri Krishna's wives, even Satyabhama, but Satyabhama never got along with Jambavathi especially. Interesting?
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: chen2chic

But then Balram is actually considered one of Vishnu's own avatar also though the fact stays that he was the avatar of Seshnaag.... any stories on that?

I think it all depends on belief. My family believes the story of Balaram being the avatar of Shesh Nag and the 9th Avatar being Buddha. But I know other families who believe Balaram as the 8th Avatar of Lord Vishnu.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: chen2chic

Yes, Sairandhiri was a class of people, and she calls herself Malini. I missed that out. The Mahabharata of Vyasa mentions that she said she served Satyabhama also.
She also says that Draupadi is the foremost beauty of the Kuru race...(self appreciation?👏)

It is said that Draupadi was a bit proud of her beauty, which is the reason she fell on the Mountain (don't know its name) during the Pandavas journey to heaven in the end of the Mahabharata. All the Pandavas (except Yudhisthira) fell for one fault of theirs, and Draupadi's was pride.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: godisone

As for Krishna's favorite, I heard that is was Jambavathi😳. From the different accounts written here, I'd say that Shri Krishna's favorite wives were his 1st three.

But...I've always thought, would Shri Krishna, the all knower one, and an avatar of Lord Vishnu, have favorites? Wouldn't it be too human to have favorites? After all, the First 8 Wives are all avatars of the Ashta Lakshmis, so ultimately, Maha Lakshmi.
But one thing is for sure: the co-wives all had favorites of their own. I read that Rukmini's favorite co-wife was Jambavathi, and vice versa, and that Jambavathi and Satyabhama always had a cold war. Rukmini got along with all of Shri Krishna's wives, even Satyabhama, but Satyabhama never got along with Jambavathi especially. Interesting?

It is said that the "Syamantaka Mani" actually belonged to Satrajit, Satyabhama's father. Krishna desired to have the Syamantaka Mani but Satrjit refused to give it. Once Satrajit's brother is said to worn it while on hunting and was killed by a lion. Jambavan (of Ramayan) is said to have killed the lion and taken possession of the Syamantaka Mani. Satrajit accussed Krishna of stealing the mani though. So Krishna set out to prove his innocence and he fought with Jambavan and defeated him. Jambavan offered his daughter Jambavati and the Syamantaka Mani. Krishna returned the Mani to Satrajit who realised his mistake and offered his daughter Satyabhama and the Syamantaka Mani. But Krishna refused the jewel and accepted Satyabhama alone. May be thats the reason for their cold war..... "Two wives in one jewel"....😉
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: godisone

It is said that Draupadi was a bit proud of her beauty, which is the reason she fell on the Mountain (don't know its name) during the Pandavas journey to heaven in the end of the Mahabharata. All the Pandavas (except Yudhisthira) fell for one fault of theirs, and Draupadi's was pride.

Oh ok... didn't know that, thanks to getting this bit of a story.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: chen2chic

It is said that the "Syamantaka Mani" actually belonged to Satrajit, Satyabhama's father. Krishna desired to have the Syamantaka Mani but Satrjit refused to give it. Once Satrajit's brother is said to worn it while on hunting and was killed by a lion. Jambavan (of Ramayan) is said to have killed the lion and taken possession of the Syamantaka Mani. Satrajit accussed Krishna of stealing the mani though. So Krishna set out to prove his innocence and he fought with Jambavan and defeated him. Jambavan offered his daughter Jambavati and the Syamantaka Mani. Krishna returned the Mani to Satrajit who realised his mistake and offered his daughter Satyabhama and the Syamantaka Mani. But Krishna refused the jewel and accepted Satyabhama alone. May be thats the reason for their cold war..... "Two wives in one jewel"....😉

😆Interesting....
So Jambhavathi is actually Shri Krishna's second wife? Because he married her before returning the Syamantaka Gem to Satrajit. Why is she referred to as his third wife then and Satyabhama as the second one?😕
This thread has turned into a Shri Krishna discussion Thread.😉😆
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: chen2chic

Oh ok... didn't know that, thanks to getting this bit of a story.

You're welcome.
Another reason that Draupadi fell on that Mountain was because she only loved Arjuna, though she was married to all 5 brothers.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Vibs

Radha was never a wife of Krishna - something one would conclude by the use of the adjective 'other' to refer to Krishna's wives. In fact, she was already married to someone else when Krishna seranaded her, but their friendship was just that. This is the first I'm reading of Radha being the one to tell Krishna's wives on how to keep their husband happy.

As an aside, I'm surprised that Lakshmi, who incarnated as Rukmini, agreed to have co-wives to Vishnu. Wouldn't that have been a humiliation for her?

Exit question: In the treta yug, Vishnu preceded Sesha-nag, but in the Dwapar yug, the opposite happened. Are there any stories as to why?

I am familiar with the fact that Radha was never a wife of Lord Krishna. And there are stories which say that she was in fact married to someone else. There are countless stories on how Radha's love was compared to that of Krishna's wives.
As for Goddess Lakshmi taking it as humiliation that Lord Vishnu had accepted so many wives, I am not sure. I have read that the many women who had asked Ram to marry them were told to meet him in Dwapara Yuga when he will be incarnated as Krishna.
The reason why Sesh Nag was born as Lord Vishnu's elder brother was this:
When the time of Lord Krishna's birth was nearing, Sesh Nag asked that he be born as Lord Vishnu's eighth incarnation's elder brother. In the Tretha Yuga, when he was born as Lakshman - as the younger brother of Lord Vishnu's incarnation Ram, he was unable to prevent all the tragedies that happened to him (Ram). Lord Ram was banished from the kingdom, had to tread through all sorts of thorny paths and suffered so much. Sesh Nag did not want to see all this happen again. This time he requested that he be born as the elder - to protect him at all times. It was readily granted by Lord Vishnu.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: chen2chic

Didn't know that Satyabhama was an incarnation of Bhudevi. Wow then the Narakasur fight was Parents vs Son? Since Narakasur was born of Lord Vishnu and Bhudevi after His Varaha avatar... Family fued.... mmm😉
Also there is another version that these 16,100 queens released from Narakasur were the vanars in their previous birth, in the Ram Avatar. It is said since Lord Ram could not do anything to repay these vanars for their bravery, he would take them as his wives in His next Krishna avatar.

It was a parents vs son war - Lord Krishna and Sathyabama being Lord Vishnu and Bhudevi. And Narakasur was born of Bhudevi and Lord Varaha. In one of the versions, it was said that Narakasur asked that no one except his mother should kill him feeling confident that his own mother who bears will never do that. And that when Lord Krishna came to fight with Narakasur along with Sathyabama, he feigned to faint from the attacks and Sathyabama picks up the weapons and kills off Narakasur. Another version says that Narakasur obtained the boon that his death should not happen untill his own mother wished for it (again confident that a mother would never wish for that, no matter how bad he would be). When the war between Lord Krishna and Narakasur was going on, Sathyabama, frightened by the terrible weapons and deafening noises pleaded with Krishna to finish him (Narakasur) soon which Lord Krishna did immediately. But the first story I read about Narakasur says that Lord Krishna cut off Narakasura's head with his Sudarshan Chakra and nothing was mentioned about the boon that his mother should wish for his death or kill him herself.
I do not know the reason or significance for the number 16,100 if there is any. And I have never heard that the 16,100 were the vanars who were born again. All that I knew was that the 16,100 were imprisoned by Narakasura and were released by Krishna after killing Narakasura. A version says that he married them to vindicate their honour as they were considered the harem women of Narakasur though they were not guilty of the blame. I also read that every woman who approached Ram and asked him to marry her was asked to meet him in the Dwapara Yug when he would be born as Krishna. The only exception to this is the story of Padmavathi - the consort of Lord Venkateshwara where it is considered that Vedavathi was reborn as Padmavathi. According to this story Vedavathi was rescued by Agni Dev and was taken to his home and left in the care of his wife Swaha Devi. When Sita crossed the Lakshman Rekha (which was a line of fire) Agni Dev took Sita to his home and presented Vedavathi as Sita to Ravan. And since she had suffered so much pain and torture fron Ravan, Agni Dev and Sita Devi asked Ram to marry her. Ram refused saying that in that life he had only one wife - Sita. He also told her that he would accept her when he is reincarnated as Lord Venkateshwara in the Kali Yuga and Vedavathi will be born as the daughter of Akaash Raj, Padmavathi.

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