The Bowl of Contention - Page 7

Originally posted by: Cup-Of-Chai

And Stephenie Meyer said "Teenage girls can relate to twilight" 🤣 yeah! Like we all want to fall in love with Vampires and Kill ourselves by jumping off a cliff.

That the problem with all Hindi serials I feel. The woman are either goody two shoes without an independant thought or a negative idea in their whole life. The other women are so bad, vampy and bitchy without a single redeeming character. Zoya was more of a real woman earlier who gave back as she got. She watched cricket, hit guys, fought back when cornered and cried and laughed as normal woman do. Now she is a total doormat who tries to be too good to Tanveer whom she should ideally hate and cries at a drop of hat when Asad says something hurtful. I would like the real Zoya to stand up, the one who gives it back to Asad. Maybe I would not hate Asad so much if Zoya reacted strongly to him.

Originally posted by: -Racha-

Qubool Hai is starting to lose some of its magic on me because the characters are not acting the way they should. Zoya letting Asad walk over her over and over and over is getting on my nerves. Rather than developing the characters and moving the story forward all Gul is showing is repetitive dialogues and eye lock scenes that are not vital to the story. I am with the opinion that Zoya needs to stand up for herself.Once she stands up for herself Asad's character will automatically have to be shown changing and learning to respect and accept Zoya the way she is.

This is very very good post. Well done for bringing out this debate!

It is amazing how many relevant issues have been pin-pointed!
Personally, I agree to some of them... like:

Originally posted by: rogerrocks

Oh man..I love debating..Such a pity i have exams I say we need Elizabeth Bennets instead of Bellas on Indian Telly..Will get back to this topic with a more detailed reply once am done studying😆

Great topic! Personally, I think the best solution is a middle ground.

OK!! :D

*gets ready to write a long lecture*

You know what I think of Gul's idea of a 'hero'. Trashy. You know what I think of Gul's idea of romance. Twisted. You know what I think of Gul herself. Indian version of Stephanie Meyer. That said, I will agree with many people, and say that she still has a catchy storyline. She knows how to intrigue and audience and she really knows how to pick leads for her show. Regarding characters, that's where she'd lose out completely. When I think back to the lead characters I know, they're all the same, with no growth. Be it male or female.

Asad - Guy repeatedly harasses Zoya. Mentally and emotionally. I get it, that he is a hardcore man with a troubled past. And he's likely to blame everyone else for everything. But then after being proved wrong over and over again, he doesn't even hesitate before shouting at Zoya? After being shown that she gets hurt whenever he raises his voice against her and humiliates her, he doesn't stop to think 'hang on I love this girl, should I really be doing this to her?' He's stuck in the same place he was. At least in the first episode, when he almost had an accident with her, he had the decency to come out and inquire whether she's alright. Now, I doubt he'd do that before shouting at her about being in his way! He's still the same old Asad we knew in the first episode.

Zoya - I have to blame her as much as Asad here. If Asad has not grown, she seems to have backtracked ever since falling in love with Asad! what happened to the girl who made Asad say sorry a billion times for one mistake? Now he goes on to make mistakes upon mistakes and she happily dresses up in the saree he gives her to go and see what he wants?! Really? She used to answer back to him, whenever he used to get angry at her unfairly, but now she sheds a few silent tears before going to prove herself right? And then he says a mere 'sorry' and everything is alright once again. Had she given him a cold shoulder regarding the whole chicken incident, he might have realized that she's someone who's not going to accept shit from him. Maybe then he would've thought twice before shouting at her regarding Tanveer! Hence, I feel Zoya's backtracked a bit.

Overall, as you said, there are Asad kind of people in the world. And there are Zoya kind of characters as well. I think it would be fine if Gul wants to show the dark, rich, broody men as heroes. but she should also show girls who do not put up with these kind of men. She should show girls take a stand for themselves and show these guys that so what if he's got everything materialistic, it's the heart that gives real happiness. And it doesn't come by showing your dominance or power over people.

Originally posted by: Sanaa629

OK!! :D

*gets ready to write a long lecture*

You know what I think of Gul's idea of a 'hero'. Trashy. You know what I think of Gul's idea of romance. Twisted. You know what I think of Gul herself. Indian version of Stephanie Meyer. That said, I will agree with many people, and say that she still has a catchy storyline. She knows how to intrigue and audience and she really knows how to pick leads for her show. Regarding characters, that's where she'd lose out completely. When I think back to the lead characters I know, they're all the same, with no growth. Be it male or female.

Asad - Guy repeatedly harasses Zoya. Mentally and emotionally. I get it, that he is a hardcore man with a troubled past. And he's likely to blame everyone else for everything. But then after being proved wrong over and over again, he doesn't even hesitate before shouting at Zoya? After being shown that she gets hurt whenever he raises his voice against her and humiliates her, he doesn't stop to think 'hang on I love this girl, should I really be doing this to her?' He's stuck in the same place he was. At least in the first episode, when he almost had an accident with her, he had the decency to come out and inquire whether she's alright. Now, I doubt he'd do that before shouting at her about being in his way! He's still the same old Asad we knew in the first episode.

Zoya - I have to blame her as much as Asad here. If Asad has not grown, she seems to have backtracked ever since falling in love with Asad! what happened to the girl who made Asad say sorry a billion times for one mistake? Now he goes on to make mistakes upon mistakes and she happily dresses up in the saree he gives her to go and see what he wants?! Really? She used to answer back to him, whenever he used to get angry at her unfairly, but now she sheds a few silent tears before going to prove herself right? And then he says a mere 'sorry' and everything is alright once again. Had she given him a cold shoulder regarding the whole chicken incident, he might have realized that she's someone who's not going to accept shit from him. Maybe then he would've thought twice before shouting at her regarding Tanveer! Hence, I feel Zoya's backtracked a bit.

Overall, as you said, there are Asad kind of people in the world. And there are Zoya kind of characters as well. I think it would be fine if Gul wants to show the dark, rich, broody men as heroes. but she should also show girls who do not put up with these kind of men. She should show girls take a stand for themselves and show these guys that so what if he's got everything materialistic, it's the heart that gives real happiness. And it doesn't come by showing your dominance or power over people.

A part of the issue is the audience itself. Honestly look around this forum and tell me how many, apart from the ones debating this issue and a few others, truly believe that this kind of behaviour is acceptable? How many posts have we had that have supported Asad's every deed? How many posts have we had about how the baazaru woman was wrong because while Zoe was in western wear it at least covered her from head to toe? Gul and other Indian writers for tv shows write this stuff because this convoluted nonsense is what sells.

Originally posted by: SwatiBeanyBrown

that made me rofl!!!🤣 seriously!! there shud b a limit of willing suspension of disbelief!😡 puhleeezzz

Ohh.. Twilight!!!!! You know it was called the 'next Harry Potter'..!! Don't even get me started on the amount of difference in the story and characters let alone the literature!! I mean.. VAMPIRES?? A girl whom everyone falls in love with.. but the girl still thinks she's nothing?? A girl who has a daughter for a mother, a loving father, a really good friend and a group of good friends, wants to kill herself for a Vampire?! And teenage girls are supposed to relate to it.. Because I remember the last time I wanted to commit suicide because a guy I liked didn't like me back.. *Facepalm* Oh my days!!

Originally posted by: delena90

A part of the issue is the audience itself. Honestly look around this forum and tell me how many, apart from the ones debating this issue and a few others, truly believe that this kind of behaviour is acceptable? How many posts have we had that have supported Asad's every deed? How many posts have we had about how the baazaru woman was wrong because while Zoe was in western wear it at least covered her from head to toe? Gul and other Indian writers for tv shows write this stuff because this convoluted nonsense is what sells.

OOHHH!!! There were posts romanticizing Asad's slap!!! Pissed me the hell off.. made me wonder what Gul is showing the audience. Most people on the forum I'm guessing are teenage girls. impressionable teenage girls. Which is what I made a point of in my last post I created, so I really don't want to repeat the whole argument here.