The Bowl of Contention

Originally posted by: delena90

So this might be a cop out on the debate but I honestly believe they dumbed down and declawed Zoe post Tanveer's arrival. Zoya used to give it back to Asad but somehow her character got lost in the propping of Asad.This is completely agree with. Remember all the tameez dil pe hota hai jeans pe nahi dialogues? THAT was why i started to watch QH. I still play those scenes on the loop sometimes. There wasn't romance but the chemistry was still so amazing.

Asad unfortunately needs to be written more progressively. Why is it that fiction writers believe that for a man to be hot, sexy and powerful he must completely dominate a woman? It's the regressive M&B nonsense that really just makes me want to pull my hair out. Word.

Why can't a man be written as hot, sexy, powerful, understanding, kind, progressive, respectful of others opinions? Del, then they'd be Mary Sue and we'd still hate it 😆 Let's face it we love criticising 😆

Take all three of Gul's heroes - Maan, Arnav and Asad. They have all been written with the chauvinistic view point that women cannot be good at work or if they work they MUST be secretaries (at least Asad hasn't done that yet) or they believe if you are angry with a woman...especially a woman you love then you must put your hands on her and scare the living daylights out of her. Lesser said about Gul's previous 'babies' the better. I go nuclear 😆

I actually don't believe that today's generation or let me degeneralize it a bit...men that I know are not that. They can disagree and get mad without getting physical. They can still be hot and sexy without making you want to smack the living daylights out of them for being such mcps. I've seen men like Asad and a lot of men are still like that. That's why it's important for Zoya to stand up and send a message to the audience. That way Gul can have her Mills and Boon at the same time send out a message.

Men can be written successful without being domineering. And hopefully Indian audiences will wake up to that.

Good post RC :)

Are you gonna play devils advocate? I am happy to debate both sides, lol

I'm always the devil's advocate Del 😆 You should know that about me 😆

Originally posted by: trina2010

Well what's done is done and can't be changed at this point. I mean Asads character being an MCP. It's the TRUTH and can't be changed at this moment. Hence I would put my 2 cents on revisiting Zoyas character. Yes I got attracted to her because of those initial promos which portrayed Zoya to be a strong girl and gives back as much as she gets.
I think this Zoya we are seeing here nowadays is sooo not that same Zoya we fell in love with or the ke Gul had in mind from the very beginning. Somehow the writers have changed her character to a dumb,docile, uncool character who is soo engrossed in this MCP lover of hers , forgot her personality altogether and decided to play a doormat.
My req to Gul please bring back old Zoya and keep her the way you portrayed her from the beginning. If Zoya is back to her original character and gives left , right and center to Asad he will come around and everything to come back to its place.
Good post Buddy.

Originally posted by: Rockerchic

Sirf tu mujse pyaar karti hai Del 😃 My response in red

Originally posted by: Rockerchic

You see it my way!

Exactly.

I want a female character I can relate and that isn't Zoya any more. It used to be. I used to LOVE her dialogues. In my first post on this forum months ago I stated that it was the bold dialogues of Zoya that really drew me to the show.

The dialogues on feminism and the spunk and all those things.

I want that back to compensate the chauvinism.

Originally posted by: delena90

Haha true I would hate the Mary Sue types...but she could make them playboys. I mean whats wrong with that? That way they can be naughty, sexy and slightly chauvinistic but not to the point where women like us want to throw something at the tv screen 😆 Damon Salvator anyone?

I do think it's important for Zoe to stand up for herself. I know that there are men out there (especially in India and the sub-continent) who think a woman's place is at his feet but if one woman can change the way her son is brought up then maybe we would have less of that. But I guess it comes back down to the woman being able to stand up for herself. Self-help is always the best help and I think when slapgate happened if Zoe had mustered the courage to knock the taste out of his mouth for it I wouldn't have been half as upset about it. WORD. Eactly what I'm saying. I would hate on Asad nearly as much is Zoya gave back. And it keeps it interesting if they are on equal footing.

I think a lot of this comes down to culture. We still live in a society where this kind of behaviour is accepted so it does not change. It's like a merry-go-round that does not stop.It's said that a woman's worst enemy is woman. Which is very pitiful.

Originally posted by: delena90

Gul always does this to her female characters. They become unrecognizable versions of themselves. I think with Zoe they can still fix it. But I am not too hopeful.

Originally posted by: Rockerchic