Pratigya to 'Learn a Lesson?'

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hello all, 😃

I've decided to start a thread to disect Pratigya and Krishna's relationship. In recent days, Krishna's behaviour towards her, in my opninion, has taken a turn for the worst.
There are two sides to this argument. People who beleive Krishna did no wrong, and people who beleive he did do wrong.
I've read in more than one place on this forum that some beleive Pratigya is now "learning a lesson." Little slip-ups like this really get me down. Like Pratigya isn't her own person. Like she is a child. Like she doesn't have a mind of own, thoughts of her own, morals and values of her own..😭
Don't misunderstand me. I get that she is his wife. But does that give him the right to demand sex?? Does that give him the right to be physically abusive? And no, he was "frustrated" is not an excuse. His background is not an excuse.
I wouldn't be so against Krishna, if only he had taken responsibility for his actions. He hits her,a nd then blames her. For anyone who has ever come across a Psychological profile for an abuser, that attitude is sadly, characteristic. ...Please come to your senses Krishna. I don't want to hate this show...
We all agree on one thing. Krishna behaves the way he does because he deoesn't know any better. Krishna can't help his background.
But...the kicker here is...he can help his actions. Your actions are your own.
I am asking people to please stop justifying Krishna's actions because of his background. Find some other reason. If we justified the actions of every frustrated person with a rotton childhood, the world would be in a sad state of affairs.
I am not trying to convince people that Krishna doesn't love Pratigya. People do some crazy stuff in the name of love. For example all Shakespeare plays...😆
I just want to come to some kind of resolution/understanding about his actions.
What say all of you? Do you think Pratigya is in the wrong or right by refusing to have "marital relations" with him? Why or why not? What do you think of Krishna's reaction? Justified or not, under the circumstances?
I have an obvious bias 😊. But if you disagree with me, please feel free to say so...
Also, as an aside, what does everyone think of the argument that Pratigya should have been prepared for Suhaag Raat? What make you of this "wifely obligation" argument?
Ps: This is not a hate thread. I do not hate Krishna. Like many here, I am quite a fan. Please dont feel like im bashing him. I just want to take a deeper look into his recent actions (ie the incident) and talk about it a bit.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I agree with you. Pratigya is right on her side. You cannot demand sex. Well I mean, sex is just not sex until two people agree to have it with full love. Then that's some very good sex with passion. If one wants it and other is forced, it's not sex, it's sexual abuse. And if both want it, but no love, then I call it exercise (most popular one in the world currently). And you definitely can't make someone love you by forcing her too. It just doesn't work like that. Sex doesn't just come with marriage, it comes with love. Is Krishna's love just to have sex with Pratigya? Is that all these Thakurs want is the lady on the bed. Look at Shakti, he doesn't even like Kesar and calls her ugly, but stlll the boy gets it on at night. I don't know much about Sajan Singh, but i'm sure he is the same! Even the lonely daughter of the family, Komal, just wants to have sex lol. Basically, marriage for them is sex which is kind of disappointing. Now, on the other hand, you say the word "sex" in the Saxena family household, they are going to be all shocked and maybe start crying knowing them. Lol. Well, I hope you liked my lecture Sexology 1001 in context with Pratigya serial.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Totally agreed. Whats the point of sex if the other person doesnt like you?? 😕...
Pratigya has the right to refuse. But part of that right is the acceptance of her decision. To tell someone they can say no, and they to get mad at the when they say no...thats wrong. That means that they don't really have the right to say no in the first place.
:( Awfull...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Firsly , i just want to state that i am flabbergasted and suprised by some of the things i have read on this forum today. I am more of a silent reader on this forum as i know that there is lot of individuals (i am guessing mostly that are girls) who really like arhaan, therefore love and adore the role he plays. I decided to watch the episode after seeing all the posts but after what i saw i felt ashamed to think someone would even dare to say regardless of who or how he was brought up to demand his wife to sleep with him. Especially after all he had done. He might not have beaten her ex-fiancee or kidnapped her but all the other incidents like ending up on her engagement day and creating such a ruckus. I have seen a lot of cases where women, without naming them, go through a lot but the moment physical abuse takes place everything changes. I dont see how they will try and justify his actions as personally i am disgusted.
I am glad that you created this topic as I want to work in the future with women that suffer abuse, but seeing stuff like this on TV just emphasises that there are still psychos out there that think
Marriage simply means sex🤢
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Posted: 15 years ago
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OMG even I get soo bewildered when I read people berating Pratigya or her family for their behaviour!! How can they overlook what Krishna and his family have done! Are still doing! what they are made of?!
Even I hear only justifications for Krishna and Komal!Why the Hell should Pratigya or her family have to LEARN their LESSONS!! What do they NEED to learn- how to be uncouth, ungrateful, direspectful towards women, parents, and everybody else? or to learn that civilised behaviour and education stands nowhere before a Good-looking-but-illiterate-wild-narrow-minded hero(!)............

I might sound antagonistic and bitter but truly am not. I am just not able to understand the sympathy people seem to have with his character when they should actually root for Pratigya and her family!

No offence intended. Just my opinion.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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So good to know that there are people who understand the severity of the situation...
I've got to say, I feel betrayed by the CV's and people involved in writing and production of the show.I understand that the show is being painted as a "realistic" one. But I trusted that alongside realism, the show would be carried through with integrity and respect for women. Thats how Pearl painted it, anyway.
And I just don't see how abuse can be included and seen as part of a love story.
oh godd, it just makes me so sick..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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If they are tagging this serial as realistic....then I don't think this serial can get any ficticious if Prats falls in love with Krishna. Which I totally hope she does though. Cuz at the end of the day, it's all fictional. And I hope for some good love scenes. If prats and Krishna don't bother getting along, then go Komal and Adarsh. Well Adarch is a bit of douch bag. I don't see any love scenes between Shakti and Kesar. Shakti is just evil. Neither do I see anything for SS and his chick, cuz he has too much pride. I don;t even wanna talk about love scenes from Professor Saxena. What will he do? Read his wife a book lol? Arushi and Grandma are destined to be together. Roli needs to leave the serial, her stint is done.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Charishma

Hello all, 😃

I've decided to start a thread to disect Pratigya and Krishna's relationship. In recent days, Krishna's behaviour towards her, in my opninion, has taken a turn for the worst.
There are two sides to this argument. People who beleive Krishna did no wrong (I think most pple from his fan club have condemned his act of violence and genuinely sympathised with Pratigya. I guess most of us are women and we feel Pratigya's pain but just because we show an understanding of where he is coming from doesn't give the msg that we believe that all is actions are just) , and people who beleive he did do wrong.
I've read in more than one place on this forum that some beleive Pratigya is now "learning a lesson." Little slip-ups like this really get me down. Like Pratigya isn't her own person. Like she is a child (Who said learning only happens in childhood. Learning is a life long process). Like she doesn't have a mind of own, thoughts of her own, morals and values of her own (A person who can make decsion, has his or her mind, has a morals and values of his own doesn't mean he/she knows everything)..😭
Don't misunderstand me. I get that she is his wife. But does that give him the right to demand sex?? (No with a capital N. No man has a right to demand sex from his wife but than isn't it natural for a normal person to share a physical relation with the person you luv) Does that give him the right to be physically abusive? (No it doesnot give him the right to abuse a person but then we all react differently when we are angry as Pratigya acted. Didn't she marry him to take revenge as she was angry at him. She decided to make his life miserable by marrying him. Is mental abuse any less than physical abuse?) And no, he was "frustrated" is not an excuse. His background is not an excuse.( Yes his upbringing has everything to do with it. Just mentioned it in another post: Even in the court of law before making a decsion whether a deed is wrong or right the circumstances in which the deed was done is taken into account.)
I wouldn't be so against Krishna, if only he had taken responsibility for his actions (I think taking responsibilty for your actions is very high level of maturity where as all his life Krish has been treated as a child who has been pampared and is allowed to get away with his demands. He has never been allowed to grow up by his luved ones) . He hits her,a nd then blames her (Again a typical child like behaviour) . For anyone who has ever come across a Psychological profile for an abuser (I think you are being a bit harsh on him but again its your POV), that attitude is sadly, characteristic. ...Please come to your senses Krishna (Don't worry he will come to his senses there is hope for that man). I don't want to hate this show...
We all agree on one thing. Krishna behaves the way he does because he deoesn't know any better. Krishna can't help his background.
But...the kicker here is...he can help his actions (Yes he can and will once he realises his actions are wrong at present he is like a frog in a well whose world ends in the well) . Your actions are your own.
I am asking people to please stop justifying Krishna's actions because of his background. Find some other reason. If we justified the actions of every frustrated person with a rotton childhood, the world would be in a sad state of affairs (Again one cannot ignore ones upbringing as it makes the person you are. If a child is brought up in a dumb environment he/she will never learn to speak as he/she has never heard anyone speak.)
I am not trying to convince people that Krishna doesn't love Pratigya. People do some crazy stuff in the name of love (I do believe Love makes you do the wacky as it is a very strong emotion). For example all Shakespeare plays...😆
I just want to come to some kind of resolution/understanding about his actions.
What say all of you? Do you think Pratigya is in the wrong or right by refusing to have "marital relations" with him? Why or why not? (No she was not wrong in refusing physical relation, every one shld have the right to do so esp if you don't love the person. She was wrong in the way she handled the whole situation. When she decided to get married to a goon she shld have realised what she was getting into. I think Physical relation is expected from any marriage unless it is platonic. I think if she just been a little sensitive and mature she shld have talked to Krishna and told him her apprehensions but she was blinded by hatered and anger. In a quite atmosphere told him what he had done how she felt about him. How difficult is it judge a person's temper if you have already seen him behave the way he did on her engagement to Nitin.) What do you think of Krishna's reaction? Justified or not, under the circumstances? (I don't want to be repetitive here his anger was justified not his way of expressing it. But the way he expressed it brings us back to us upbringing so i sympathize with him. I don't think anybody likes to loose control of themselves)
Ps: I have an obvious bias 😊. But if you disagree with me, please feel free to say so...
Also, as an aside, what does everyone think of the argument that Pratigya should have been prepared for Suhaag Raat? What make you of this "wifely obligation" argument?(I personally think when a person is made to believe that through out his life it any arguement will annoy him further. I think in when one is as angry no amount of logic wld makes sense hence the violent outburst )


sorry to add on but it is easier to discuss things as you read on.
Edited by krishna_chalbo - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: krishna_chalbo


sorry to add on but it is easier to discuss things as you read on.



K-Chalbo, thank you for taking the time to type in what was on my mind word for word. Wah, beta!😆. I just want to add that one is a product of one's environment and upbringing. Our adult life is an extension of what we learn and experience in childhood. Krishna was on the right track, he saw the difference between his own family lfe and what he saw at the Saxenas when he explained it to Komal 😊while SS was trashing a room tantruming like a child.😲😡 Krishna has exhibited mature behavior when his parents were rude and immature esp. in defense of Pratigya.

The bigger question is how much did Pratigya contribute with his angry response with her own behavior. We saw his attempt in varying degrees in trying to express his love. She rejected everyone of them except the ice stick (she probably took it bec' she was sharing it with her brother and Komal). I see Pratigya's every response to his attempts as a string of rejections. Krishna in spite of his intense nature wouldn't be the only guy to react to his wife's rejection of every little gesture over and over again esp. when it was she who made the choice to marry him. I see Pratigya's reaction as extreme and insensitive............she was sensitive to Komal bec' she is a woman but didn't feel that Krishna deserved the same consideration? For goodness sake, he is her husband, someone she chose to marry whatever her reason. She is punishing him for her decision and that isn't fair. What was the harm in taking a single rose from him. Wouldn't she have taken one had someone from the hotel offered her a bouquet? She glares at him and rejects his touch while she shakes hands and smiles at a total stranger at that. Any red blooded man who loved his wife would go crazy and probably ballistic too even if he had been raised in a more loving normal home with this much rejection after several sincere attempts on his part. Heck, a normal woman would have reacted intensely in her own way to repeated rejections. Just my opinion as always.

Look at Adarsh from a shanthi loving family! He was angry went to stab Krishna bec' he l believed Krishna was responsible for Pratigya's humiliation. He stole money for his parents and he is supposed to be sharif loge, educated. There are limits to what any person can tolerate. She has seen Krishna's temper before at her engagement. Did she not care how far she pushed him bec' her hatred and need for revenge consumed her so much. Before she goes around reforming her husband and in-laws she needs to take a good look at herself in the mirror for a while and I mean not to put her make up on either😉. A woman can destroy or make a home. Ek Parivar ko ek aurat kudh bigad sakthi hai ya achchi tarah se sambaal sakthi hai. Wake up and smell the coffee (since she doesn't drink at the Takurs) beta before things get worse. You took matters into your own hands when you got married, now nurture the relationship, value and make your life the best it can be.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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i agree that krishna is wrong in forcing pratigya and her family to do stuff however i also believe that pratigya and her family are wrong because she agreed to marry him..... basically, what was she expecting? did she think that the man whom forced her and her family to do things even before marriage would all of a sudden change after marriage??? Pratigya is not so foolish... so then i dont understand why she was so shocked by krishna and his families behaviour after marriage... obviously krishna loves pratigya with all his heart and he is willing to do anything for her.... even on their suhaag raat after the wedding when she told him that she hates him and all... he was in shock that why did u marry me then.. so basically, he didnt kno that she didnt love him.... all i know is that however bad krishna's family is... krishna does love pratigya and he loves her with all his heart... i hope pratigya realises this at some point and i hope krishna doesnt forgive her so easily for being so rude to him.. its clearly not all about sex for krishna... if it was, he would have raped her at the hotel... he didnt and that shows that krishna does care about pratigya and sex is not the only thing on his mind...also, does anyone else notice that pratigya never smiles?? ppl smile to strangers also, so why cant she be civil in her own sasural.....?? lol i know this may seem very weird but i am on krishna's side...and i hope komal remains the way she is... if pratigya doesnt care then why should komal??

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