Originally posted by: krishna_chalbo
Hello!!! First of all, I am a Krishna fan too and I must say that ur reasons behind defending Krishna are among the v.few sensible reasons I've read soo far!!!👏
Hey I really don't mind the add on. I thougt i wld add again but thgt it wld get too messy.
1) As you pointed out we haven't had any poll so we can not draw a conclusion that people blindly agree with every action of Krish. And if there was poll it shld not be ambiguious. It shld not just ask whether Krishna was wrong or right. It shld ask was Krishna's anger just and Was his reaction to the situation right or wrong and I do think we will get a clearer picture.
Agreed!!! Most of the pole have options saying KRISHNA is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT and just seeing these three caps-words can make ny Pratigya-fans go 😲😲 !!! I think Krishna's anger or nyone in his situation is 'expected' BUT not 'just'... And so, even if his reaction to the situation is 'expected', its faarrr from being nything closer to 'right'!!! And if there is a pole asking whether Krishna's actions were expected or not, I am sure even most of the Pratigya-fans would say that it was expected! The only difference I see is that even though the Pratigya-fans find Krishna's behavior as 'expected', we dont think that its right and Krishna needs to correct these wrongs, where as, most of the Krishna-fans think its 'expected' from Krishna so there is nothing wrong in wat he did and his reactions are absolutely right!!!
2) Now it's my bad i did not understand that by 'learning a lesson' you meant Prats needs to be punished. I interpreted it as she needs to learn more meaningful lessons in life like 'Hatered will only bring destruction to you'. And btw Pratigya doesn't need to be punished. I don't think Krishna's ill-treatment towards Prats was with the intention of teaching her a lesson. It was a reaction to the whole situation which is quite different -Exactly!!!
Like I said, ur comments make sense to me 😃 BUT I did read some comments where they r saying exactly like wat Charishma meant by 'learning a lesson'!!!
3) I think you didn't get me here. I never said that a husband can demand sex from his wife or force it on her. What i meant was it is quite normal to share physical intimacy with your partner/wife esp if you luv him/her and krishna does luv her there is no doubt abt it. Unfortunately he has deluded himself to believe that Prats reciprocates his feelings. And Prats was absolutely correct in saying no to it. The ides of being physical with a man u hate is appalling. And Marriage is absolutely not = sex but physical intimacy is an important ingredient for a healthy marriage.=> 👏👏👏
4) I wasn't saying her rejection to consumate the marriage is mental torture. It is her behaviour prior to it. I think constantly ridiculing anyones effort and making him feel his existence is worthless does count to some degree of mental torture. Any effort made by Krish was rewarded by cold stares conveying the msg: 'What planet are you from?' Before the incident on her honeymoon when did she tell him why she hates him.
Hey, can u even compare Krishna's 'some degree of mental torture' to the 'extreme mental torture' that Pratigya and her family went through before her marriage??? Krishna was as much responsible for their mental torture as was Angad!!! All their efforts to keep Krishna away from Pratigya failed miserably bcoz of Krishna!!! And Pratigya is still going through these 'mental tortures' in the junglee house and sometimes with Krishna as well bcoz I think physical abuses also cause mental torture!!!
So, If Krishna or nyone in his situation is 'expected' to lose his temper because of his wasted efforts, then, I dont really expect Pratigya or nyone in her situation to give Krishna ny kind of stares other than the cold ones!!!
I am sure she told him why she hated him during the wedding night and I think everytime she speaks more than a few sentences, its always telling him why she hates him!!! On the honeymoon night, I think she told him why she cant love someone like him!!! Again, Krishna never lets her complete her 'reasons behind her hatred towards him' or 'reasons why she cant love him'....
5) From the start I have never said his act of violence was just but is anger was just. We all feel angry at different things and act differently. For a minute I will agree withyou that his anger was not justified as nobody's anger justifies atheir action that is why it is one of the seven cardinal sins. So that shld also apply to Prats how is her decision to marry Krish out off anger just. Now b4 u tell me she was forced let me ask u:
We all agree that she married him because she didn't want her family to be harassed any further. Tell me what if her father or brother were harassed at work. say for example her father was physically abused by one of his students or if an influential student had framed him for sexual assault (Trust me such things do happen). What wld she have done? If out of anger she had something insane like murder wld her action be then justified? As you say we all shld be responsible for our actions than so shld Pratigya be. She married Krish because she was angry with for causing humiliation to his family and thought she is responsible for all the miseries in their life and giving into Krish's marriage demand wld end all that. Shye wld get her take her revenge and her family cld live in peace. So it was her choice and her decision not matter what the basis was.
Yaar!!! MERARAI and u r getting into unrelated topics! The underlined sentence is completely unrlated to Pratigya - the serial! Whoever harassed her father and brother DID NOT DO SO TO MARRY PRATIGYA!!! Whereas, everything that Krishna did, intentional or not, WERE TO MARRY PRATIGYA!!! If she did commit a murder, no matter wat the situation, it would NOT be just and she would be wrong, just like no matter how much angry Krishna was in watever situation, his reactions were NOT just AT ALL but wrong!!!
So, u r saying she 'chose' to make the decision to marry Krishna, right? Ok, how about we think like this:
WHY in the world would she 'choose' to marry someone whom she has been refusing to marry?
Bcoz she wanted to save her family from further humiliations and fear (we all agree on that!) and like u said, she was 'angry' at Krishna and I think she wanted to teach him a lesson that even if he can marry her 'forcefully', he can never get her to love him!!!
NOW, WHY in the world did SHE have to be the ONE to save her family from ny humiliation and fear ???
BCOZ SHE is the ONE Krishna loves and in the process of expressing his love for her, HE humiliated and scared her and her family to death!
WHAT in the world MADE her soo 'angry' that she 'chose' to marry someone she detests???
BCOZ SHE is the ONE Krishna WANTS to MARRY in one way or another and HE has made sure that the Saxenas or Pratigya has no other way left BUT to marry him...
AND WHY in the world would she ever WANT to teach nyone a lesson???
BCOZ SHE is a strong woman, strong enough to let go of her own dreams and future and to 'choose' to decide to spend the rest of her life with someone she thinks has kidnapped her just to marry her...
Pheww!!! After this loooonnnng explanation, if u still think that Pratigya or nyone in her situation can so easily just 'choose' to make a decision to marry someone she hate - SURE!!! Go ahead and think so! WAT I want to say to that is Pratigya was FORCED to make a 'choice' between Making a decision to marry Krishna or Watching her family and herself suffer while Krishna did his v.best to ruin their self-respect and reputation! Oops! I meant while Krishna did his v.best to express his love for Pratigya!!!😉
So far, I think Pratigya's only responsibility with Krishna is to teach him a lesson and I think, she has done a great job, seeing a little bit of changes in Krishna and his failure in getting or imposing 'his right as a husband'!!!👏👏👏 And Krishna has a looonnnngggg way to go before he can earn the right of her responsibility as a wife!!!
6) Firstly it doesn't mean that if your perspective towards life is very childish you have a mental condition. Yes Krishna is an adult but i don't think it automatically implies he shld be mature. An individual only learns to takes reponsibility when he/she is given an opportunity to do so. You gave the perfect example: Like a child hitting someone wld understand he has done wrong only because the first time he bullied anyone his parents or people around him told that it was wrong not because he was rewarded and praised for his actions. Our parents or elders are our first teacher who tell us what is wrong and right. We don't tell a lie because our parents either explained us or punished us when we told the first lie. If that act was appreciated the first time u wld conclude that is the right thing to do.
True! And thats why its gonna be v.difficult for Krishna to change bcoz, he doesnt think he does ny wrong and when Pratigya tries to point out why she hates him/cant love him, he acts according to wat he thinks is right... Thats wat Krishna's problem is and he really NEEDS to fix that problem. He doesnt really listen to Pratigya, given his 'professorayi jhad rahi ho', 'mard' and 'aurat pair ki jooti' mentality - So, I dont really see why is it Pratigya's responsiblity to go out of her way to understand someone she hates! Its not like Krishna being uneducated and uncivilized and wanting to be in denial is her fault!!!
7) an abuser wld continue to abuse her not back off after that incident thats all i can say
8) Okay let me get this correct. I never said he had a childhood was horrible. He was lucky that he was not molested or abused when he was growing up. It is a bit harsh to say tough luck you had a shitty background but you can't use that as excuse for the way you act. I don't think children who go thro such lives will ever grow up to be normal and it is going to effect their actions later in their life. It is like saying a women who had to live the ordeal of rape will find it difficult to have physical relation. You cannot say well tough luck u got raped get over it. If such ppl do anything wrong the law gives them an opportunity to redeem themselves not hand in capital punishment. My point was he was never taught to be able to differentiate between right or wrong. His acts- like bullying other people was applauded by his loved ones when he was growing up. What do you think he will do when he grows up?
Agree and like I said most of the Pratigya-fans do expect Krishna's antic behaviors but we too like Krishna a lot and u can say we r expecting him to change too soon and so find his actions disappointing... And again, its not Pratigya's fault the way Krishna grew up and after everything that he did to her and everything that she thinks he did to her - doesnt make it her responsibility to understand why in the world he acts the way he does... She doesnt even think of his love as true love (duh! I think even Krishna doesnt know that his love is the honest and true type; I bet he compares his love to the filmy ishtyle! 😆) and his actions are only increasing her hatred towards him, so how can u expect her to try and understand him or look at him without giving him 'cold stares'???
9) Again his violent outburst was not because he luved her it was because he never understood her behaviour towards him - True!!! And it was his true love - which I think even he is unaware of - stopped him from stooping to the lowest and crossing all the lines!!! Again, I dont think its Pratigya's fault/responsibility that Krishna doesnt understand her behavior when she clearly expresses her feelings of dislike towards him!!! And u want her to stop giving Krishna the 'cold stares'!!! How will he ever know Pratigya's hatred/behavior then? Not like he knew ny better till the outburst!!!😆 Iwonder if he knows now how Pratigya feels towards him...
10)How do you think he shld have reacted the next morining? He has tried to make efforts to talk to her he gets ignored and made to feel like a worm, he tried an arguing with her previous nite he was hurt emotionally (pls don't tell me just because he was angry he didn't get hurt emotionally). We all have done it at some point in life to hide our pain behind anger. Shld he come said sorry can we start again because we all know how that wld have ended Prats giving him another cold stare
I expected Krishna to ignore her given he is BABA who got his way with everything in his life except for the prev.night 😛!!! And I agree, he was hurt emotionally but he brought it on himself by thinking that the honeymoon is going to be ny different than the wedding night even after Pratigya refused his roses and gave him cold stares!!! And just to remind u, Pratigya was hurt emotionally and physically as well and she didnt bring it on herself bcoz she expressed her hatred to him again and again and it was normal that she would refuse him and 'his rights as husband'!!!
Hey no offence taken in addressing my comments. I appreciate that u r doing it quite amicably and not hinting that i am a sadist b----- who has no idea abt what Prats is going thro and relishes Krish inflicting pain on her.
Hey dont worry! Ur points are nything but sadist!😆 Like I said, I find ur comments v.reasonable and I am glad that u know wat Pratigya is going through as well unlike a lots of Krishna-lubers!😃