TOI: PR to end soon? W Pg.12 - Page 9

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: And you mean to say that the current top shows which are not produced by Ekta are NOT stuck in these very SAME things?😆😆...Kitchen politics is there in EVERY top show on TV these days...Ekta pioneered this stuff and now others have jumped on to the bandwagon and are making the same stuff...they just might not be as miserly as her budget-wise, that's about it😆...Please give me an example of ONE top show that DOESN'T have kitchen politics...I'm most curious to know.

Ekta shows are regressive and asinine in many ways, completely true...but the rest of the fare on TV isn't any better either...


And at the end of the day it's FACT that Ankita, Ashvik and all these PR actors owe their popularity to this very show...whatever they manage to do beyond it remains to be seen...and I'm not talking reality shows...it's very VERY tough to get another good fiction show after the first one that gets you fame and popularity...and that is why these ppl end up getting "persuaded" by Ekta.



On topic: I think it's good if the show ends...they really have dragged it on quite long...the original spark is long gone.

Originally posted by: nikki1591

I believe the point that @pallavi is trying to make is that being blacklisted is not a real choice. If you want to leave your job, and the result of leaving is that you are blacklisted from doing any other jobs within that field, it is not real/valid choice. It's basically blackmail because someone is saying if you dont do this for me, then I will ruin you. Blacklisting someone has an element of coercion. And whenever coercion (PHYSICAL or MENTAL) is used, real choices don't exist. Now if Ekta had said if you leave, I personally will not work w/ you again, that would be acceptable bc its a personal choice between her and the said actor. But if she prevents you from working w/ other directors, producers by her influence, then that is blackmail. That being said actors need to realize that shows are not like real jobs where somebody else can pick up the job, especially for a lead role. If they wish to leave that is fine, as long as they give adequte time for their character to leave or be replaced. However, Ekta should also realize that she cannot expect an actor who she barely uses to make her own show their main priority. Ex. Sachin-Piru Chibber who barely got lines was totally right in leaving bc he was not doing anything.

However, I disagree with the notion that these actors owe everything to PR. I think its a mix of both. Yes, PR made them famous, however, if they did not bring their A-game, the show would not have been sucessful. If they were not good actors, the show would not have don well, and no one would have remembered who they were. So in a sense, their own hard work got them where they are. A combination. PR cannot exist w/o these actors and actors cannot exist w/o PR

Originally posted by: nikki1591

I believe the point that @pallavi is trying to make is that being blacklisted is not a real choice. If you want to leave your job, and the result of leaving is that you are blacklisted from doing any other jobs within that field, it is not real/valid choice. It's basically blackmail because someone is saying if you dont do this for me, then I will ruin you. Blacklisting someone has an element of coercion. And whenever coercion (PHYSICAL or MENTAL) is used, real choices don't exist. Now if Ekta had said if you leave, I personally will not work w/ you again, that would be acceptable bc its a personal choice between her and the said actor. But if she prevents you from working w/ other directors, producers by her influence, then that is blackmail. That being said actors need to realize that shows are not like real jobs where somebody else can pick up the job, especially for a lead role. If they wish to leave that is fine, as long as they give adequte time for their character to leave or be replaced. However, Ekta should also realize that she cannot expect an actor who she barely uses to make her own show their main priority. Ex. Sachin-Piru Chibber who barely got lines was totally right in leaving bc he was not doing anything.

However, I disagree with the notion that these actors owe everything to PR. I think its a mix of both. Yes, PR made them famous, however, if they did not bring their A-game, the show would not have been sucessful. If they were not good actors, the show would not have don well, and no one would have remembered who they were. So in a sense, their own hard work got them where they are. A combination. PR cannot exist w/o these actors and actors cannot exist w/o PR

Originally posted by: nikki1591

I believe the point that @pallavi is trying to make is that being blacklisted is not a real choice. If you want to leave your job, and the result of leaving is that you are blacklisted from doing any other jobs within that field, it is not real/valid choice. It's basically blackmail because someone is saying if you dont do this for me, then I will ruin you. Blacklisting someone has an element of coercion. And whenever coercion (PHYSICAL or MENTAL) is used, real choices don't exist. Now if Ekta had said if you leave, I personally will not work w/ you again, that would be acceptable bc its a personal choice between her and the said actor. But if she prevents you from working w/ other directors, producers by her influence, then that is blackmail. That being said actors need to realize that shows are not like real jobs where somebody else can pick up the job, especially for a lead role. If they wish to leave that is fine, as long as they give adequte time for their character to leave or be replaced. However, Ekta should also realize that she cannot expect an actor who she barely uses to make her own show their main priority. Ex. Sachin-Piru Chibber who barely got lines was totally right in leaving bc he was not doing anything.

However, I disagree with the notion that these actors owe everything to PR. I think its a mix of both. Yes, PR made them famous, however, if they did not bring their A-game, the show would not have been sucessful. If they were not good actors, the show would not have don well, and no one would have remembered who they were. So in a sense, their own hard work got them where they are. A combination. PR cannot exist w/o these actors and actors cannot exist w/o PR

Originally posted by: tejaswiniwenham

I totally agree with you! lets analyze shall we? the top two shows on air right now- diya baati which is basically all about sandy dealing with kitchen politics with a backdrop of her wanting to be an ISP officer. it is by no means an intellectually stimulating show and the only moral to learn from it is- support your partner. everything else is much more regressive and rustic even in the show. the number 2 show is jodha-akbar an ekta show and i think its actually a lot better than any other fiction show i watch on telly (I'm kind of enjoying tumhari pakhi but that I'm sure is going to be ruined very soon). These are followed by saath nibhana which is a tackier version of kyunki with worse looking actors, pyaar ka daard hain which i have no idea about and 'oolta chashma is a comedy show and thus not really comparable to daily soaps in the same context. The truth is people maybe dressing a little bit better and few serials now have a modern moralistic backdrop but it all runs on kitchen politics and ekta is still the queen of that. besides they did have a plot decided for pr. ekta wanted onir to take up the parallel lead role to manav. she was very fond of that character. it was meant to be arovi and punir. but due to fan and channel pressure they had to change the storyline in a monumental rush. so obviously the plot has some glaring holes that they couldn't fix to date. everything comes at a cost and this was the cost of arvi punar milan and ankitas demand for a younger role. if they only focused on how to develop this leap with anki junior and stuck to their original story that would've been easier for them to maneuver. but since they had to completely change the story so ya! now its all jhol. I AM NOT AN EKTA FAN. she is regressive and her serials are mostly rubbish at best and she needs to take some responsibility as a media mogul to propagate more rooted and moral and progressive messages in her shows instead of her usual 3 pati, 2 patni and god knows whose children from where. But it can't be denied that she is the pioneer of this industry and to date the most powerful person in television production. she absolutely has the ability to make or break someones career in the industry. at the height of her power even smrita irani (tulsi) whose popularity was exponentially greater than any other actress, couple etc etc in the industry to date, couldn't flourish without ektas chaya. balaji has become such a power house in the small screen and on its way to being respected in the big screens that the only reason ekta doesn't make 20 shows now is simply because she DOES NOT NEED to. this is coming from an entirely business perspective. people watch her stuff regardless. and the masses don't even talk about her- as we have seen in the forum, the masses blame ovi or purvi not ekta and balaji.

as far as keeping actors back forcefully goes, then why should she not do whatever it takes within the legal bounds and her power? the stakes involved when a main actor walks out is a lot more than if a corporate employee leaves. you can just find a replacement doing the exact same job. when an actor leaves, not only does your trp suffer but everything along with it needs to be changed- subtle to drastic changes in the script, character, props and on top of that high search costs, contractual costs etc. An actors contract is slightly different than the corporate workers- the corporate will have a signed a half to a year contract with the person that you will have to work for them and then its on a roll-over basis. Actors contract involves a lot more clauses then that- usually the period is longer. their resignation even serving notice period can be rejected by the ph. and if they leave despite of rejection of resignation within their contractual period, the ph can sue them for every penny they have. usually they won't just reject a resignation and take actors to court simply because trp suffers when main actors leave. thats the reason they go into negotiation instead. and if the actor still walks out then I guess it depends on how the negotiations went and the potential damage to the serial, what happens to them. if they pissed off ekta then thats bad news. it also shows a lack of commitment on the actors part to leave mid contract period. it makes people unwilling to work with them. sushant walking out for example would be a lot less disastrous than Ankita walking out simply because our shows are female-centric and whilst trps suffer every time the male lead leaves, they tank when the female face leaves- its been historically proven. plus manav was going old post leap, can you imagine sushant and shruti and mrinalini doing father-daughter scenes? awkward. just as rithwik and ruhi will look silly like that as well. so it worked out.

an ph has to guard its self interest, not the actor's. thats not their job or concern. the actor signs that contract consciously and knowingly in exchange for name and fame and a much more luxurious pay than most. if the show delivers the fame and fortune then its only fair that the actor holds their end of the bargain. whether its ashvik, ankita or shruti or whomever in pr, if we r talking about it then balaji has delivered their end of the bargain and the actors either need to deliver theirs or walk out prepared for whats coming. its not exactly unfair.