Is this show showing Vaishnavites in a bad light?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I know i am opening a very controversial topic but i couldn't stop myself from doing this after watching today's episode.
I am not trying to create any rift between Shaivites and Vaishnavites.I just want to know is this show showing Vaishnavites in bad light?Is this serial showing that Vaishnavites are Shiv virodhis or don't like Shiv and his philosophy?
Daksh Prajapati was a staunch Vaishnavite.He never liked Lord Shiv and his philosophy.He hated him so much that he didn't even regard him as God.He always made fun of Shiv,he tried to create hatred in Sati and his other daughters for Shiv.He used lot of bad words,always insulted him.
Mainavati was not shown as bad as Daksh but she too was shown as a staunch Vaishnavite who didn't wanted to stay in Rishi Dadichi's ashram only because he is a Shaivite.We have already seen her dislike for Shaivites.She never used to like Parvati in the company of the ashramvasis and would always think that her fondness for Shiv is because Rishi Dadichi and other ashramvasis 'brainwashed' Parvati.
Today also Lord Shiv came as a Vaishnava Brahmin and criticised himself.
So is the show showing Vaishnavites in bad light?Is it showing that all Vaishnavites are Shiv virodhis and don't like him?Sometimes i felt that the makers are doing so.Is it necessary that just because this serial is based on the life of Lord Shiva,they should show all these things against Vaishnavites?I don't think so.I have seen many serials on Lord Vishnu,i have never seen any serial making fun of Shaivites and Lord Shiva.On one hand,they show Lord Vishnu respecting and keeping Shiva in high regard.On the other hand,they show Vishnu devotees disliking Lord Shiva.This might create a bad impression on the minds of people regarding Vaishnavites.I,myself am a Vaishnavite but i,nor my family ever showed any disrespect for Shiva.I amd my mom always fast on Shivratri.Not all Vaishnavites are Shiv Virodhis.There might be some 1% who would be doing so 99% do respect Lord Shiva.
I want to know all the members opinions on this.As i said earlier,i have not opened this thread to create a fight between Shaivites and Vaishnavites.If this topic is offensive then mods can close this topic.
Btw,i agree theey have shown characters like Himavan who respect lord Shiva.😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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None of the so called Vaishnavite in the show, who were actually Shiv-bhaktas as per the Puranas are shown in the bad light. Only when someone goes out of their way in being a Shiv-virodhi, he is shown getting punished for his deeds like Daksh, he was a Shiv virodhi, he had his own reasons.
Some times they are emphasising on this Vaishnavite & Shaivite attitued too much, which is un-necessary. But it's their interpretation. Just accept what you like, reject what you dislike because this show offers much more then these 2 sects, which is more important.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I disagree with your statement, that Not all Vaishnavites are Shiv Virodhis. There might be some 1% who would be doing so 99% do respect Lord Shiva.

The truth is vice-versa of this, 99% Vaishnavites who believed that only Vishnu is the supreme power in the universe and they didn't pray Shiva.

I am saying this because I experienced it...I am known to lots of Vaishnavites and Shaivaties. And according to this experience The Vaishnavites are fanatic type, they never worship Shiva and his family apart from that the Shaivaties worship Shiva as well as Vishnu also...
Edited by MahadevSunder - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I don't think so. This show is trying to show Mahadev's progression as a god. The reason why Daksh and his wife are shown in a negative light is not because they were Lord Vishnu Devotees but because they did not show the same amount of respect to Mahadev which they showed to Lord Vishnu and Lord Brahma and same goes for Menavati. None of them respected the Trimurti of Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva thus they are shown negatively.

Also, Mohit Raina is a good looking guy but according to scriptures Mahadev was not a looker with ashes all over him, wearing animal hides, living away from the world and having snakes wrapped around him so people gained an image of him. Today, he was just exaggerating that image and what people say about him. This by no means shows Lord Vishnu devotees in a bad light. Lord Vishnu respects him and he respects Lord Vishnu.

Finally, this show is about Mahadev so they are going to focus more on Mahadev than all the other gods. It's just like Ramayan or Mahabharat where more focus is given to Lord Vishnu's avatars than Mahadev and Lord Bramha. Even in these epics some of Mahadev devotees are shown in a negative light where they gain a boon from Mahadev cause he is easy to please and then terrorize the world thus Lord Vishnu has to take an avatar to save the day.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Given how they showed Vishnu vs Veerbhadra, I'd say Vishnu gets a very whitewashed treatment in this serial. In the original, Vishnu was trounced by Veerbhadra and knocked unconscious, which they didn't show, probably to avoid offending Vaishnav sensibilities.

If anything, showing Himavan as a Vaishnav to begin w/ - when he wasn't - is itself a big distortion - bigger than them showing Daksha as a Vaishnav. While Daksha had his issues w/ Shiva, there is nothing in the shastras that suggest that he was a Vishnu bhakt.

Conversely, in RS SK years ago, when they showed the part on Banasura, they didn't show Krishna and Shiva having a battle. But while that battle had terrible repercussions on earth, in it, Pradhyumna defeated Kartikeya and Krishna was getting the better of Shiva, until Banasura attacked him, and Krishna diverted his attention from Shiva. Looks like mytho makers don't want to show battles like Shiva vs Vishnu. I just hope they don't whitewash the birth of Ganesh and show no argument b/w Shiva & Parvati, when in fact she created him b'cos she was dissatisfied w/ Nandi's split loyalty.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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May be this very scene in the History was misinterpreted and that might be the cause of the split n rifts between Vishnavits n Shivits...

Just wanted to share this piece of knowledge which heard recently by a very learned,wise n intellectual guru who recites the Bhagwadgita..
Its from one of his recitals of The Gita..(Swamy Paripurnand)

He who sees God (could be anybody) in any other one(God)...and feels the same devotion towards other...is the most blessed one.

So when Sri Krishna taught us who a blessed devote is..it doesn't matter whether ur a vishnavit or shivite or even a christian...its how u conduct urself n ur karmas at the end of the day.

Each story from our history digs n number of controversies...but you can track it down that Shiva was the biggest devote of Vishnu...kisi ko bhii pooja karo it goes to only one source...these Religions,casts n all are like light from the spectrum-diverse..yet they all come from a common source..the white light...(Sri Sri)

No offenses to anyone..

Regards
Sia
Edited by Killer_Shark - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Some people might get offended by what i say but i would say any way

1) Vishnu according to me is getting very good treatment considering the fact that he was present in daksha yagnya and watched sati burn, even though it is shown that he was opposed to that in reality he went willingly to yagnya.

2) Vishnu has always been a partial God always favoring devatas, there are many examples of this.


3) most of the vaishnavaites are kind of obsessed with their God, and this is the fact please read all vaishnava puranas and go to vaishnavaite mutts to experience this.

4) he was severely punished for his presence in yagnya.

considering all the above i think Vishnu is getting a very fair deal in DKDM.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Killer_Shark



May be this very scene in the History was misinterpreted and that might be the cause of the split n rifts between Vishnavits n Shivits...

Just wanted to share this piece of knowledge which heard recently by a very learned,wise n intellectual guru who recites the Bhagwadgita..
Its from one of his recitals of The Gita..(Swamy Paripurnand)

He who sees God (could be anybody) in any other one(God)...and feels the same devotion towards other...is the most blessed one.

So when Sri Krishna taught us who a blessed devote is..it doesn't matter whether ur a vishnavit or shivite or even a christian...its how u conduct urself n ur karmas at the end of the day.

Each story from our history digs n number of controversies...but you can track it down that Shiva was the biggest devote of Vishnu...kisi ko bhii pooja karo it goes to only one source...these Religions,casts n all are like light from the spectrum-diverse..yet they all come from a common source..the white light...(Sri Sri)

No offenses to anyone..

Regards
Sia



@Red

i have posted umpteen times that this argument is a fallacy, and also explained the difference in theologies. i still don't understand how this argument comes again and again. Its up to individuals for what they want to believe, but stating that as a fact is not good

i am actually lost for words as i have again and again to come up and refute this argument. Sri Sri
might have come up with this argument to promulgate mutual respect among two sects. But i am sure he as a proponent of advaita vedantha would never endorse this view in true sense.

No offense to anyone but, i still had to correct it

Krishna

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Edited by kkr531 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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ritika06, I was thinking on the same lines since I started watching DkDM. Of course, they are not following the original stories but I don't like the fact that everyone who opposed Shiva was cast as a Vaishnavite. I don't know why they show them being Vaishnavites when there were not. Besides, this huge margin between Saivism and Vaishnavism arose in Kaliyuga and not before. All those who follow Shiva are shown to respect Vishnu too in this serial but all those who oppose Shiva are shown Vaishnavites and are shown to be arrogant. None of the Saivaites are shown to disrespect Vishnu or go against Him in this serial.

As everyone had pointed out before, Daksha was not a Vaishnavite as shown and neither was Mena. I agree with Minaxi - just accept what you like and reject what you dislike or we can just stay neutral to the whole thing. Still I do have my own opinions - no offense intended.

The way this show portrays Vaishnavites will raise doubts but I prefer not to think that way. I do wish DkDm will be more careful in portraying those who oppose Shiva in the future episodes. I haven't seen anything like this in any other serial I've seen.

This show most likely shows the human aspects of Lord Shiva - it feels like watching Tobey Maguire as Spiderman - to see the struggles and challenges he faced and the human side of the superhuman Spiderman. I feel that they are indirectly degrading Lord Shiva's greatness too.

As for Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva - both of them have their own duties, they respect the other members of the Trinity and will always do what they need to.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: MahadevSunder

I disagree with your statement, that Not all Vaishnavites are Shiv Virodhis. There might be some 1% who would be doing so 99% do respect Lord Shiva.


The truth is vice-versa of this, 99% Vaishnavites who believed that only Vishnu is the supreme power in the universe and they didn't pray Shiva.

I am saying this because I experienced it...I am known to lots of Vaishnavites and Shaivaties. And according to this experience The Vaishnavites are fanatic type, they never worship Shiva and his family apart from that the Shaivaties worship Shiva as well as Vishnu also...



I agree with you... Vaishanav 's never fast on MahaShivratri...😡

But Shaiva's fast on Shivratri as well as on Ekadashi which was Vshinu/Vithal pooja.👏
Edited by blushing - 13 years ago

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