Is this show showing Vaishnavites in a bad light? - Page 3

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Posted: 13 years ago
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^^^^ That seems to be true in the South. How does it work in the rest of the country?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Where I come from, North, none of the men wear anything special on religious occasions or maybe its just my family 😆. But boys in my family do wear signis (round, cylindrical put inside a black dor) from the time they are born cause my brother wears it.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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it works in Konkanis too-we have the adve ubhe concept
adve means the Tripund of Shiva used by the Shaivites or a horizontal line)
while Ubhe means the tilak of Vishnu or a vertial line...
you can make out who is who by just looking at how they put thier tilak or bindi(older ladies follow it too)
the older generation was pretty orthodox about it!about the clear division between the two sects
but if you belong to the same caste section-eg bramhins,the sect division doesnt matter
however what is happening now a days is that many people are getting married to people out of sect,gotra,religion,caste,even nationality that such things are loosing importance...but in certian sections it does exist!


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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ Blushing...Kindly refrain from posting this general statement against a religion...Who fasts for whom is nobody else's Business...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Since any of the rishis are not stick to mahadev or Vishnu only ,they followed and mediated both shiva and vishnu according to their needs and times . There is no distinction prevails in south like Vaishvav and shaiva's and their followers ...
In south there are records that people of same family follow different deities up to 12 th cent . But every thing changed after Ramanujaachariya and AdiShankaraachariya period ...
there they split once a father or head of the family follows certain deity all the linage must be acknowledged with the same name.😔 turned Iyer and Iyengar's ,shaiva Kshatriya's ,Vaishnava Kshatriya 's etc ...even Kaumara's exist till now (they are responsible for building Large Murugan temple at Battu caves of Malaysia ).
But now they are slowly changing ...Lakh's of people died due to large quarrel between these two followers during 12 cent in south thats a dark period ,In mean time Muslims to invaded using this situation,Lots of temples were vanished by them .😕😒.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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^^^ Weren't the rishis - particularly the saptarshis - Brahma's followers, which would explain their dual devotion to both Narayan & Mahadev? Rishis @ that level had their ultimate connections w/ Brahma more than either Narayan or Mahadev
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Posted: 13 years ago
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if any of us back to our ansestors many of us have our lineage from the Saptarishis!-and as far as I know the Saptarishis followed all Gods..however as the generations went ahead particality towards a particular devta started arising-also some people began propogating certain beliefs and rejecting others hence getting along the whole Shaivite Vaishnava thinking... basically a cow herd mentality or what you can call groupi
actually if you see the whole sect concept has happened in every religion that has existed-each and every one of them!
@vanadhi-yeah i heard of those...those tempels were ruined and its beacuase of these Internal fights that we made things easier for invaders to invade us...we lost so much,and even more irritating is when i see those temple artifacts somewhere outside India in some freaking museum!-grrr
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Vanadhi

That's news to me. From what I understand, there were never any wars b/w Vaishnavs & Shaivyas - in fact, if Buddhism & Jainism could be introduced and prosper until the 11th century (during the Muslim invasions), then why would there be wars b/w Vaishnav & Shaivyas? Yeah, different sects competed for royal patronage in various kingdoms, but different members of families practiced different religions. E.g. In Thaneshwar, Rajyavardhan was a Buddhist whereas Harshavardhan, his brother, was a Shaivya. Among the Mauryas, Chandragupta, towards the end of his life, embraced Jainism, while Ashoka embraced Buddhism.

Yeah, in classical age India (i.e. India b4 1000AD), there were wars b/w different kingdoms, but were any of them on account of Vaishnav vs Shaivya beliefs of the battling dynasties/kingdoms?

In the 12th century that you're referring to, the South was beginning to be attacked by the Muslims who had overrun the North, and most of that destruction happened @ the hands of the Bahmani sultans and beyond, just like the Ghaznavis, Ghoris, Mamluks, Khiljis and Tughluqs had done in the North, and the Syeds, Lodis and Moghuls would continue.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I'm not aware of any sectarian wars in the South either - sure, lots of debates and discrimination against each other, but my knowledge of history tells me most temple destruction occured due to Muslim invasions.

I would be very interested to hear how things in the North as well. [Off topic: I find the "shagun" "tilak" and other rituals being currently shown fascinating, we don't have them in the south (not the exact same ones anyway)].
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Posted: 13 years ago
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One thing I thought that was strange - the mention of mangal-sutra as one of the marriage items in the wedding - don't remember whether it was from the show, or from the celebratory thread by Shruti. From what I understand, that was purely a Kalyug custom - not there in any of the first 3 yugas.

Pnars, the only intra-Hindu rivalry in the mediaeval period that I recall was that b/w Krishnadeva Raya of Vijayanagar and Raja Pratapa Rudra of Kalinga. But I have no idea whether they were of different sects, and whether that was a motivating factor in the war b/w them. Kalinga lost that war badly and had to turn over a princess in marriage to Krishnadeva Raya.

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