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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: pnars


They don't hate Him as such. I asked my Iyengar friend - they simply don't consider him to be God. So no need for puja archana. Sounds very much like our friend Daksha, no?

About how you know whether you're Vaishnava/Shaiva, my dad says to check what symbols the men wear on religious occassions - my family wears the "triput" (or railway tracks as we call it) with Vibhuthi. We follow Advaitha philosophy of Adi Sankara. So we are Shaiva.

Vaishnavas from my state (Karnataka) put sandalwood markings on their face and chest. They follow the teachings of Madhvacharya. Srivaishnavas put Vishnu's "naamam". They are followers of Ramanujacharya.

That's how you usually know.

I am from Bangalore, Madhwas, Vishnavas.. An ardent Vishnu bhakth. But in our family considered Shiva as Rudra devru, so Rudra dev is worshipped in this form.. We follow rituals like Ekadashi like total fasting the whole day... not even a drop of water..
And we dont fast on Shiv Ratri.. Rather it is a festival for us that day, so many items like we do on any festivals days are made..
Edited by ani_gr - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Well beyond one point its one and same, so i do not really get this idea at all. I follow Shree ramakrishna's teaching, and when destination is same why quarrel with the way.

Also Vishnu and Shiv r nothing but same, i cannot see them as differently, adn all this fight, as i said before is nothing but the fight between the bhoots of Shiv and the bandars of ram. The Lords probably care two hoots about it.


Personally what i have seen in my family, we r quiet liberal. Though with a shakta background, but we celebrate and worship everyone. In summer our baneswar shiv and gopal sit side by side in the swimming tub of gods and r bathed by us. And neither do we fast on Shivratri nor do we fast on janmastami , we just take light vegeterian food on both days and do the puja.
we apply chandan tikka and bhasma tikka both acc to occassion.

Whenever i am in mood, i close my eyes and think of shivji and whenever in mood i think of lord K. Whats the fuss about it?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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i disagree...am from tamilnadu in our society , vaishnav people dislike
Shaivites that is true 70percentage of vaishnvas dominating Shaivites
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Posted: 13 years ago
#34
When Mahadev and Narayan are the same, who are we to create differences? Why do we create differences about everything yaar!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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No Vrish there is no straight war as stated by you ...but the reason rooted behind is related to their beliefs .Tamilnadu is not a bed of roses for any religion other than Shaiva's in most of the times. At first the primary envy over Bhuddist and Jains leads to Vaishnava's at the later end of 11 th cent .During Ramanujar's time some notes him as Adhirajendra chola,were many quotes that, he is Kulathunga Chola I who anticipated vaishnava in harsh way .The KIng ordered to kill all the people ,who are not accepting shiva as a supreme God . So Ramanujar(great vaishnava prophet ) escaped to Hosalaya's kingdom and changed that Jain king to Vaishnava and lived there by patronizing vaishnavisim.in his kingdom for a period of 12 years then returned when the chola king died in civil rebel between chola's and chalukyas , hoysalas at that time . there prevails the conflicts between hoysala kings and cholas who are different from religious beliefs for more than two centuries . So many dies because of constant wars between these three countries including chalukyas . in due coarse cholas were totally uprooted then pandiyans dominated ,but still the confusion 's cannot be suppressed by them fully .later they are also fully defeated by Malik kafur who is cheif general of Alla-ud-din khilji plundered and destroyed almost 60 % of south indian temples..The basic reason for such a enmity and rebel is
Ramanujar strictly critique the Advaitha of Shankara and summoned them badly in his SriBashya ..
In account to this incident, Chola king is said to be uprooted the Vishnu 's statue in Chidambaram by killing lots of Viashnava's brutally in a unquestionable way .Lots vaishnava's commit suicide and some escaped to other kingdom in refuge due to him.🤢
IN the same way the another statue is replaced by Vijayanager kings(vaishnava's ) about 2 cent later ,which results in so many shaiva's shed their blood in that rebel against them . Thats why Vaishnava's spell that even looking at the face of shaiva is a sin in their customs ...in those days They have experienced so many bitterness form our Shaiva's rulers during that dark period ..

As per the saptarishi's matter as u asked ,most of the shiva lingas in south indian temples are worshiped by them and named after them too.. In vaitheeswaran temple of tamilnadu they are following separate rituals to honor these rishi's .Even in kanjanur ,the Linga worshipped by demon Kamsa is worshipped by people 😆.In Yannai malai of madurai there is temple called Yoga Narasimhar temple ...where Yoganarasimhar is said to be worshipped by Sage Pulasthiyar .That he wished to have a darshan of Lord vishnu in Narasimhar form..Like that lot of stories bind them behind both these deities with saptharishis here .

Edited by vanadhi - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#36
The serial is portraying what happened in history .

In ancient & medieval centuries there was a lot of difference , clashes between vaishnavites and shaivites/shaktas . Even now some communities have this differences regarding marriages, etc. many just dont want to marry a shaivite or a vaishanvite if he /she is not from the same community.

Just one more thing, Vishnu is an aryan God, and Shiva is a basicallly non-aryan god who was incorporated into vedic hindu religion by the religious leaders.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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This is a fascinating discussion but I am too lazy to comment in a serious way. I am on vacation after all! 😆

But Vanadhi is largely right about the conflict between Vaishnavas and Shaivas (i might quibble about some details, pedant that I am 😆). In fact, more serious was the brutal repression of Jains. You'll find many S Indian temples were once Jain temples.

As I said I am too lazy give details...so please do your own research. Not wikipedia preferably! 😊
Edited by narangi_77 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Tandaav

Some of the things they're showing in the serial - like Himavan being Vaishnav - is absolutely not true. Sati wanted to be reborn to a father who wasn't a Shiva virodhi but a Shiva bhakt, and that happened to be Himavan. The serial shows Vishnu as inspiring him to give his daughter to Parvati, but in fact, it was Narada who told Himavan what Parvati was destined to be, and so Himavan encouraged her to pursue that.

Similarly, as Vibs mentioned in pg 2 or 3, the serial showed all detractors of Shiva - from Daksha on down - as ardent Vaishnavs. Which is bunk. Also, Tarakasura was a devotee of Shiva, but the serial shows him always trying to get Sati or Parvati killed. This too is bakwas. I know that all serials take liberties w/ the story, as has this, but some of the liberties they've taken are just unconscionable.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: Taandav

The serial is portraying what happened in history .

In ancient & medieval centuries there was a lot of difference , clashes between vaishnavites and shaivites/shaktas . Even now some communities have this differences regarding marriages, etc. many just dont want to marry a shaivite or a vaishanvite if he /she is not from the same community.

Just one more thing, Vishnu is an aryan God, and Shiva is a basicallly non-aryan god who was incorporated into vedic hindu religion by the religious leaders.



@red where did the question of Aryan and Dravidian come into picture, i still cannot believe people believe this debunked theory.

Hindu culture is due to amalgamation of south and the north which due to geographical locations were developing in isolation.

Aryan and Dravidian theory is a myth the sooner we trash it the better.

regards
Krishna
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: kkr531



@red where did the question of Aryan and Dravidian come into picture, i still cannot believe people believe this debunked theory.

Hindu culture is due to amalgamation of south and the north which due to geographical locations were developing in isolation.

Aryan and Dravidian theory is a myth the sooner we trash it the better.

regards
Krishna



Okay I have to come out of my non-serious mood...

Don't know which Aryan-Dravidian theory you are talking about (guessing you are talking about race and not linguistics, but I could be wrong). Having said that, I must lodge my very strongly dissenting view. There are will continue to be multiple opinions on this.

I would guess this is not the forum for this discussion, which has every potential of getting out-of-hand.

Mira



Edited by narangi_77 - 13 years ago

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