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Posted: 13 years ago

Finally, I watched the episode. And although, i told my friends, who asked me to make a post today..that i won't be able to make one...still, after watching, the impact that i was expecting, the epi didn't create that! So, Sara (sara.8811)...and Resham, my dear friend...this one's for both of you! 😳

Well...before watching, i had an idea of what happened today...coz of the reaction at the forum..and also getting to know of my friend's take. Still...i watched it with NO preconceived notions. However, there were a few very MAJOR things, that left the epi kinda "incomplete" for me. I won't say that i was disappointed...i won't say that i was satisfied. I won't say that i loved the episode...i won't say that i hated it. It defo was a REASONABLE episode...after a LOOONG time.

I'm sure, the JeeMan fans would be happy today...the VirMan fans must be ecstatic...and as for Jeevika, it was good to see her outta that "cute" mode n into a serious, possessive mode. So, all in all...it had something for every fan group. Virika were obviously not there coz of Tacker's absence. So, we can't blame CVs for that!

Also, finally, the focus was on Manvi's treatment..for which the trio came to Mumbai. The senselessness, dragging, hide n seek, and going round n round...it all took a break...and the "treatment" started. Thank God for small mercies!

Before i begin with my points...i wanna make one thing clear. My intention of making this post is NOT to offend ANY fan base. I am simply going to highlight a few points, that according to me, should've been addressed by the CVs...when dealing with such a sensitive track. Like always, I'll leave the points open for discussion...coz what i'll write is obviously MY POV...your's would be different...and I RESPECT that completely. So, i don't have any intention of bashing...and u guys know that it NEVER is!

My observations are based on facts that i have witnessed very closely in life. And the CVs lacked in these very important areas according to me. Coming to my points...

1. We knew that JMV were heading for the appointment..n so, somewhere, we were expecting some progress in the track. And we got it. The first scene at the hospital was quite blah! Jeevika was in her own world, reading the magazine. For her, the imp thing was that Manvi apologizes to Virat...n she wasn't worried as such for the doc's appointment.

Manvi also was more worried abt Seema-Virat. Well, that hug was quite forced, according to me.They could've left it for some other time...adding everything in one episode...WHAT WAS THE RUSH? But chalo, at least, Seema is a nice girl, unlike VIrat's other chipko friends (read Maya n Tanya)...and it was good to see her asking Manvi abt her health n all.

2. Whether i was confused...or the CVs are confused. The sudden occurance of this test...i thought the trio would first meet the doc? Forget that also...if THIS was the test that the doc was talking abt in the previous appointment...WHY didn't he tell Jeevika n Manvi about its procedure right there n then?? He just told Virat something abt its result, that too when Virat himself asked. But HECK...he didn't think it IMPORTANT to tell the SISTER. What dos the doc know...WHO is Virat...a friend or what?? Shouldn't the family be informed abt what test was...why was it important?? I swear, i'm all the more mad at this 99% success rate vala doc.

In today's time n age...doctors give detailed info to the patient, as well as their family abt the PROCEDURE they would be following. They give reading material, website links..so that the patient n family are AWARE of the treatment beforehand...they know how it would benefit the patient...what side effects it might have etc. etc.

Here, i know that it was a test. But darn...it was no ORDINARY test. If it involved taking consent of the family...that means that it was something serious, which could have certain negative implications too. Then WHY were the family n patient informed at the LAST minute?? At least, Manvi could've come prepared for the test...Jeevika would've given her the strength...there could've been so many poignant scenes b/w the sisters. But NO, that Mumbai darshan was more important than these emotional and REAL scenes between the three of them!

3. Seema's description of this test..n the way she smiling, talking casually...it was quite out of character for a doc! A certain level of seriousness, coupled with softness n concern was needed there. But what came out was like...Seema grinning n saying.."dude...sign this paper...coz though there are very less chances, still anything can happen". Did anyone else also find Seema's behavior weird here??

4. I hate to say this...but I couldn't feel Jeevika's pain...as in, wasn't deeply moved by her behavior! She was not as moved, as strong, as possessive...as she should've been. Like a friend said in my other thread...the ONLY thing showing Jeevika's pain were the flashbacks. The present scenario...her standing there, as Seema told abt the previous two chemo sessions, n described the procedure of this third one (the test)...i couldn't feel Jeevika's fear, pain n apprehensions at any point.

When Seema was talking abt the two chemo sessions that Manvi had in Rishikesh...Jeevika just widened here eyes. Was she shocked, was she indifferent, did she know abt them...or didn't she know about them? I couldn't comprehend her reaction.

Then...the part where she's asked to sign the paper. The emotions were there, in her eyes...as she slightly fumbled with the pen...as she got those flashbacks...and as she saw her sister shaking coz of the procdure described to her. STILL...something was amiss there. The intensity of emotions that should've been there...it WASN'T.

I'm no expert in writing stuff...but i would've LOVED if Jeevika gave strenght to Manvi there, in a more expressive manner. Prolly, cupping her face...talking to her directly n assuringly that she won't let anything happen to her...that Manvi is a brave girl, and she can go through these tests...that she was there wid her n won't levae her side even for a minute. And then, a kiss on her sisters forehead...prolly a hug before she went in... Weren't these things NEEDED at that point?? Just saying once that "all will be well..." dunno, it seemed incomplete to me.

5. I'm sure the VirMan fans won;t agree wid me here. And its okay...its thier POV...and i respect it. I'm just sharing what I feel...n i hope that they also repect my viewpoint.

The last scene...Jeevika left Manvi...coz she couldn't see her in pain. That's something i couldn't agree with. I understand that its very difficult to see ur loved one's in such extreme pain...and one just can't bear it. BUT if Manvi could go through that pain...Jeevika SHOULD have seen her going through it...FEELING her pain wid her. That would've been Jeevika's connection with Manvi's cancer...her sharing of Manvi's PAIN!

If the CVs have established that Jeevika is like a mother to Manvi..then MOTHERS don't leave their child to suffer the pain on their own. That's where THEIR strength comes to the forefront...and i wanted Jeevika to stay there, with Manvi n transfer this stregnth to her lil sis!

I know that Jeevika left from there...so that Virat could come n hold Manvi's hand. But i genuinely feel...that THIS was the time for Jeevika to hold Manvi's hand.

That Virat-Manvi scene was very nicely done. The tears in Virat's eyes...showing how deeply moved he was (which i didn't find in Jeevika)...his firm hold on Manvi's hand...n the pain in his eyes...it was a great scene. But then...when we're in pain..we seek our mother's hands, we call for our mums...partners, husbands, they all take a backseat. And i would've LOVED Jeevika holding Manvi's hand here (purely my POV)!

One last thing before i sign off,

I'm sure that you guys would say that this is fiction..and we can't search for logic in EVERY thing that CVs show. I'm sorry...but i won't agree to this point here! Reason---i don't think that any other show is dealing with a sensitve issue like cancer. If the CVs have taken this challenge to make one of the lead protagonist suffer from this disease...they have NO other option but to do JUSTICE to it. They CANNOT play with this track...they CANNOT treat it casually, coz this is not some regular thing, which if not dealt with all its sensitivities, won't make any difference. Here, they are showing cancer n its treatment...n playing around with it casually MAKES A DIFFERENCE! If you don't believe me...look around for people who are suffering from this illness...you'll find the answer yourself!

Looking forward to comments...feedback..crticism. But please, lets keep the discussion healthy n please, NO bashing AT ALL!

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Edited: Ayesha You watched the episode, wah wah kya baat hai, par you know what meri gut feeling keh rahi thi that you will pakka watch the epi. And if you watched the epi toh post kiye bina toh reh nahi sakti tum, itna toh pata tha mujhe😆. Major, see that is why we ask you to make posts, I never saw any major things you saw, I think that if someone else shows you a different angle of the same thing you might see it differently in a more positive or negative way. Glad that you didn't say you were disappointed😊, but am sad that you weren't satisfied, cuz that means that somethings was pakka missing. Yes it sure was a reasonable episode after a long time, so it didn't leave the chance to be disappointed, because no matter how bad it was, it was deffo better than what we have been seeing for the past few weeks.

Ayesha hume mithai baatni chahiye, pehli baar koi aise baat hui hai jis ki waja cvs nahin hai😲🤣 But yeah for fan groups a happy day, but people who watch the show for story probably weren't as satisfied.

This is one thing that made me say that there is hope for these cvs, Manvi's treatment and that was the most important thing in the storyline right now. Finally we got to see something that we all were waiting to see. After all the drama, and masti, the cvs showed us what a cancer patient actually goes through. I really don't know much about cancer and the treatment but I know one thing that it is a very serious illness and must be handled with lots of care. It has lots of side effects, the patient goes through alot of pain, and inner turmoil while the treatment occurs and what we were seeing in the show was not at all what is reality. I have seen a few of my relatives go through this life threatening disease and I have seen how they and their families were broken. All I want from this cancer track is that people who are fighting this in reality gain courage and hope from this show not disappointment.

Ayesha how can you upset anyone, you are too sweet and always present your points in a dignified and polite manner. Ab agar jootis and chappals come your way, I am standing right in front of you as a shield of protection😉😊.

You sound like a scientist and lawyer combined yaar, I am ready bring it on Ayesha's logic 😆

I really kind of ignored the first scene. I think it was to conclude yesterday's episode, but it was too rushed or they should have shown it in yesterday's episode itself because the impact that today's episode would have left was lessened by the first scene as it kind of shattered all hopes of a good episode. I think it would have been okay if Jeevika would have been more concerned about the appointment rather than Manvi's apology. The first scene just didn't connect with the rest of the episode, because the rest was very tension filled while this scene was very bindaas types. Seema is better than Virat's other friends but she seems like some screw dheela type.

I also thought that there would first be a scheduled appointment to just talk with the doctor about their concerns and details about the different procedures because the other day was a rushed convo, as the doc had to do a surgery. I am upset that nothing was told in detail about the treatment to anyone. I think the patient needs to be made aware about the process so that he/she is completely prepared for the treatment. And here they know nothing about anything. Logically the doctor would like you said give them material to research about the procedure and other stuff so that they are satisfied that the process is indeed safe or just to give them a heads up about everything that would happen during the treatment. Many times people research stuff and they find something that the doctor hasn't told them and they consult the doctor to see if that information could be helpful or a better option in their case. Exactly the Mumbai darshan was way more important than the emotional scenes.

I was really frustrated with Seema in this whole episode. She was very odd, just plain creepy I should say. I mean she didn't even explain what this consent was for but told Jeevika that she needed to sign it. 😕 When she was telling Manvi about the chemo session it seemed to me that she was trying to frighten her. She didn't assure Manvi that she will be able to go through the chemo session instead it looked as if she was trying to scare them.She said it was a formality, well I know they didn't have a choice but still they should know all the details regarding the treatment shouldn't they?Seema just seemed like a negative character to me today.

I think the reason why we couldn't really connect with Jeevika was because we have seen KD give amazing performances and we expect her to give those types of performances every day. I didn't like her widening eyes bit, but I actually could feel her pain in the OT. When she looked away, because it was getting unbearable I could actually feel that. In fact I wasn't able to look straight at the screen after they went into the OT. I think she was confused, as to why she couldn't help her sister today. She felt helpless, because all those promises she had made were left unfulfilled. She felt guilty that broken all her promises even though she didn't want to. Yes there could have been more, but what was there was enough for me. One thing that kind of bothered me, IDK why, was Manvi when Jeevika was signing the consent form. It felt like Manvi was shocked that her sister let her bear that pain. To me it seemed as if Manvi couldn't believe her sister's actions. 😕

I actually wanted Jeevika to stay there too, kya karen yeh dil mange more. 😆 As a mother she should have stayed, and she never got up to leave, Seema took her out because the doctor would not want someone weakening the patient. I didn't like the fact that Jeevika really didn't do anything to help Manvi, she just stood there looking away as she couldn't see her Mannu in pain. This was the time Jeevika was supposed to come out strong and continue telling Manvi that it is okay. Distract her, do anything, hold her hand, but I was disappointed that she didn't do anything.

The VirMan scene was beautifully presented, and it touched me, but the Seema dialogue ruined that moment. As Ek hazaron mein waali behnas, Jeevika should have been there instead of Virat. Jeevika leaving and Virat coming in her place just showed that when Jeevika leaves Manvi, Virat will be there for her which is good, but Jeevika is not supposed to leave Manvi.

Ayesha, I am also sure that many will say that but my grandma always says that these shows are, at the end of the day, based off of real life. They have used real life scenarios to make these storylines. This story isn't real, the characters aren't real, this is drama, but cancer is indeed real and it is no joke. By making cancer look like a joke, the CVs are making a mockery of all those people's lives who are living this "JOKE". The pain that Manvi went through today is only a trailer of what cancer patients go through for long periods of time. If that pain that lasted less than thirty minutes hurt you, then think about those days, months, even years that these people bear pain, how much will that hurt?

Wah Wah, yeh le apna homework, reply karna jaldi and I made the post colorful.😊

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*Reemz*

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Posted: 13 years ago

You know I have to disagree here on some points. I agree about the whole magazine and stupid fight nonsense. It really put me off!

Regarding the difference between the two scenes, well I have to beg to differ. I am a big JM fan as most know but if the scene didn't touch me today then I would have straight out said it but I really felt the emotions from both sisters. I saw the pain in Jeevika's eyes, they were very clear to me because as far as I have observed KD's acting she does thing with her eyes where they become numb. When Manvi flinched in pain, Jeevika was flinched and then she constantly looking back and forth. I'm not explaining it right but the expressions in her eyes changed continuously and there was a graph in the scene where as in the VM scene, his eyes were tearful (they looked pretty lol) but they had one expression throughout. Maybe that was the demand for the scene but I found myself much more involved in the Behna scene. However, this could be my bias talking but at the same time if I don't like something then I'll just say it.

Also Jeevika needs time till she can handle all this. It's much easier said than done that she should have stayed in there but it got too much for her. The girl who gets worried at every little thing is supposed to take all this in straight away? She maybe Manvi's mother but she's also just 21-23?! I wouldn't even be able to enter the room forget running out half way. Jeevika is still getting used to all of it.

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ayesha_80

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Loveleen...wah wah..what an achievement! LOL! Reserve toh kiya...but I want a LOONG reply 😃

Waisey...tell u what...i'm expecting chappals for this post. So, be ready to save me 😉😆

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ayesha_80

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Originally posted by: *Reemz*
You know I have to disagree here on some points. I agree about the whole magazine and stupid fight nonsense. It really put me off!

Regarding the difference between the two scenes, well I have to beg to differ. I am a big JM fan as most know but if the scene didn't touch me today then I would have straight out said it but I really felt the emotions from both sisters. I saw the pain in Jeevika's eyes, they were very clear to me because as far as I have observed KD's acting she does thing with her eyes where they become numb. When Manvi flinched in pain, Jeevika was flinched and then she constantly looking back and forth. I'm not explaining it right but the expressions in her eyes changed continuously and there was a graph in the scene where as in the VM scene, his eyes were tearful (they looked pretty lol) but they had one expression throughout. Maybe that was the demand for the scene but I found myself much more involved in the Behna scene. However, this could be my bias talking but at the same time if I don't like something then I'll just say it.

Well...i'm glad that u could find that "numbness" or the effect in Jeevika's eyes...i wasn't able to FEEL the pain, that could move me. If i compare with the scene(s), when Jeevika came to know of Manvi's cancer...her eyes THEN...they shook me to the core. But today, i found something missing.

As for the MV scene...like i said, i wanted Jeevika to be there. But well...Virat's emotions were very nicely portrayed...so, i'm sure the MV fans would be very happy today.

Thanks for commenting, Reemz. Difference of opinion is something very natural...and i always welcome it 😃

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Posted: 13 years ago

I agreee! LOL, love the way you put it!

The worst bit for me was when at the end of it she said to Manvi, that you should THANK Virat for being there the whole time 🤣 I thought a) he wasn't there the whole time and b) why would you say that to your patient?

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Ayesha no worries u will get a super long reply and I don't think you will get chappals but if you do I am right here yaar dosti ki hai toh nibhaenge

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Posted: 13 years ago

I definitely agree with the last part about the CVs and their research on cancer. They need to be more thorough and efficient with a track that's dealing with a disease so serious!

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Posted: 13 years ago

Ayeshaaa... you made the post 🤗

Well, I knew you wouldn't be fully satisfied by the episode. And that's why I wanted to read ur take...it's good to know all the view-points..😳

The epi belonged to JeeMan. NIA was just outstanding👏 The pain that she emoted during the whole process, the fear of undergoing the process before entering the OT...it was very well-emoted. All the pain that I felt for Maanvi today was because of Nia's brilliant portrayal.

On the other hand, the pain I felt for Jeevika was due to the flashbacks. Nothing contributed from today's episode. Jeevika was helpless today. All her life she promised her mom, she promised herself and she promised her baby sister that she will protect her...that she will not let her suffer any pain. But today she couldn't do anything to save her sister from the pain...she couldn't protect her. As a viewer, I felt that pain and helplessness of Jeevika...but all because of the flashbacks. I usually love KD...today she had to emote through her eyes, and I love her eyes. We have all seen she can do wonders through those hazel pools...like the ME...but today something was missing. My sincere opinion...😳

But I do not agree when you say Jeevika shouldn't have left Maanvi alone. You have compared her to a mother...and how a mother will never leave her child alone to suffer. I know you brought the mother-child relationship into the picture because the CV's have always portrayed them so. You also know how I view JeeMan. I do not believe they are lonely souls who have only each other...as they so often say😆 While growing up, they had Chaudhary's. Yes, Jeevika always tried to be the Mannu's mother, but essentially, she is her sister...hardly 2-3 years older than Mannu. That makes Jeevika 22-24. Not a very mature age.

Also, we should remember this is the first time Jeevika is present with Mannu during a treatment. Beeji, Chachu, rest of Chaudhary's have seen her go through the pain of chemo sessions. Virat has seen her go through the side-effects of chemo therapy and heavy medication. For Jeevika, all this very NEW experience. She knew Mannu had Cancer, but she had no idea of her pains and sufferings. That she should have known is an all-together different topic😉

In a way, Jeevika was justified in leaving the OT. Plus, she was taken out forcibly. She din't run away scared...or start crying then and there. That in my opinion, was quite strong for Jeevika😛

SEEMA!!!! Did I say some days back, she looks like a sane person. I take my words back😆

We give an injection in the spinal cord of the person. It's a bit painful...but everything is okay. Still sometimes... Anyways, it's just a formality, sign the papers. Don't worry because this is a speciality of our hospital.

^^ That is exactly what she says to Jeevika for signing the consent letter.WHAT WAS THAT????😕 Is it a hospital...or a restaurant...that she smilingly mentions their "speciality" She was saying such grave scary consequences of the treatment...but was continously showing all her 32 teeh. It looked stupid😆

Also, when she says Mannu should thank Virat...BLAAAHHH. Looked totally out of place...as a doctor. It was only done to insert that "oohhh" BG music of Virat's love😆

That is all. I had no other problems in the epi.😃

You and Lovleen saying that it was supposed to be an appointment...but turned out to be a test. Well, itna toh chalta hai.

You both know me na...I do not need logic if the epi is good😆 Yesterday was one of those days 😉

OMG Edit... Immediate Edit😆

How did I forgot this?? I liked VirMan yesterday.😳 The first scene of theirs that really clicked for me since the Mumbai trip.

For the first time since the start of the show, I really liked Kushal's acting. Like...reallyyy LIKED😃 He is usually not great in emotional scenes...but I loved his tears yesterday. Hardly a ONE minute scene, but it had the impact.

Virat holding her hand and giving Mannu the strength to bear the pain...both of them just looking at each other, no words spoken -- This is the VirMan I want. Strong, sensible, deep love😳

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Thanks for commenting, guys. I'll be back wid my replies later! A busy day again:)

Resham: I get wat u're saying that it was the FIRST time J dwas watching M go through that painful treatment. But i STILL stand by my point...it didn't work for me. Yes, she was taken out kinda forcibly by Seema...but even then, Manvi needed HER!

Like i said, this post was mainly on my personal experiences n wat i've witnessed. I don't wanna quote examples here...so, am not going there...but, I strongly feel...Jeevika should've resisted more, strongly. And chalo, if she went...she could've go n stand watching from the glass hole. I dunno, man...i guess, the problem lies wid me...this track is very sensitive..n maybe, i'm trying to find a REAL treatment of it. But well...i suck for realistic issues n hadling of tracks...that's prolly why my pov is mostly different from the rest.

One more thing! I want an EMOTIONAL follow up of this b/w the sisters...n this time Jeevika HAS to rise to the occassion.

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