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Posted: 14 years ago
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Excellent post Lennie! Very detailed and observant. Thanks so much 😊

I like how my post last week of Gulaal's closure of her relationship with Vasant has caught on! Like it. And I thank you for that, coz really it need feel like that esp as they made her goodbye seem so real, with the memories and so on but then again it was like, is it really a closure as such but the way the writers have done it and got across was so well done, in this show, you so need to see read between the line😊

For today's episode: what was surprising for me was how the dynamic of the household has changed. How the kitchen politics and perceived hierarchy has shifted. I was not expecting that at all. I find that very interesting! I dont think any of us expecting that as such, but as you say its interesing and it was interesting that again a few times they got across to us that yep is changed and changing but then again if we look at the bigger picture as in who has come back in the house, she has come back as Kesar's wife, and alot of things has had to be changed for Gulaal to find herself coz if it didnt then it would just be Gulaal just slotted into the role she has always had, even if she has lost herself and detached herself from this house and so on

Before Gulaal left the house she was Vasant's widow and because he was more respected then Gulaal's position was higher. Now she has come back as Kesar's wife and he is the youngest and not that well respected therefore her position is lower! Yeah, i did see that, but my assumption was that Kesar is Motabha's son - Motabha is older to Gigakaka, so in that sense i just thought in relation Gulaal will have the higher place before Sudha, well it somewhat would be like that if Sudha isnt hellbent on being top dog now lol and being petty

Now only that as you mentioned about Kesar i also see that playing a part as well, that Kesar hasnt got a position in the house to give him that certain respect and so on... which is interesting in the sense, i feel and hope this is going to change when we see Kesar emerge in growing up and so on

Interesting indeed! How people perceive their own importance and position in a house! Yes it is, and Gulaal should know this better then anyone how everyone works in this house esp JK and Sudha, she has witnessed this before way before the leap and so on, its an interesting change for Gulaal and also to see her position in the house esp if we see how Gulaal sees is and takes it in

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Lenzooo🤗🤗...u will be happy to know that I have gotten some groove likings to this show and even tho I havent really followed this show from the start or even KG scenes...I will mumble here a bit on my thots from wateva I have observed n seen in the past few epis...so bare with me and I maybe in a totally different ball zone so excuse me for that as well...
Moving on...as most of us know...is not an easy task but unfortunately...change is that one constant thing which is wat Gulaal has been avoiding all these years...Love has come to her in her most unexpected manner and life is inviting her from all angles...but wat to do with the comfort zone that she has built around her since the death of Vasant??? She is hesistant to step out of that zone coz life has never been fair to her and destiny has always played games with her heart...why risk it again...
She feels violated by Kesar not becoz of the dynamics of wat her relationship with him used to be but becoz Kesar is on the verge of breaking all those chain n outlines that society imposes ...which is wat she has every known n believed in...Kesar is challenging her heart beats and those beliefs of her in the social norms and that is wat is not liking...
Her coming back but not being able to see Kesar as her hubby is only a convincing methodoly for herself to remain in the comfort zone and she is trying to program her mindset to that effect as well...but can she program the beatings of her heart???
Kesar on the other hand...I feel sorry for coz he can only feel and rationalize wat he feels for Gulaal but unfortuanately is not able to put it in words for Gulaal to understand wat she means to him. The desparation with which he behaved last few epis was not his desparation really to get Gulaal with him...it was rather his desparation to put his feelings for her in words that raises no questions...no doubts but he is failing to do that and I really dont think he can or ever will be able to do that either...infact no human can...feelings are such that it can only be felt n consumed...but yes...its the actions...that can speak...n unfortunately...in his desparation to put his feelings across Gulaal...his actions worked exactly the opposite of wat he intended...he became insensitive to Gulaal's state of feelings and he just spur out words like any other human..."main tumse pyar karta hoon"...which was bound to bounce back like it did...
Now that Gulaal is back...and this time as Kesar's wife...Kesar has got the upper hand in being able to take it better on this time coz Gulaal's ever beating heart that she "thinks n believes" has stopped for Vasant only will have to find its way out and with Kesar's true n sincere emotions for her...his actions will sooner or later fail all the defences taht Gulaal is putting around her heart n life and we will see how!!!!!!😳
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I am new to Gulaal..just been watching for a few weeks..since Kesar's return..so may have missed the more delicate points in the story so far.
But when I see Gulaal, I just see a person who has become such a shell of woman. She lost her husband very early on and kept the woman in her subsided.
But unfortunately, the way the woman in her came out was very sad...while she majestically glorified her version of unconditional love, she made mince meat of Kesar's.
While she had complete hand in deciding Kesar's life (for whatever the situation and reason may have been at that time), she is unwilling to bear the consequences of her own actions. The sacrifice of a deeryarvattu wasnt in performing the ritual with Kesar, but in actually living with him as his wife for the rest of her life.
I find Gulaal, a poor lost soul, who is for all the she stands for in the serial, acting quite cowardly in the face of her consequences..
One cannot have the cake and eat it too.
And she has no right to belittle another person's love. Love takes so many forms and meanings. There is no one perfect way to love.
Kesar isnt Gulaal,and Gulaal isnt Kesar..so to expect each of them to fit in the same mold of expressing or feeling love is just incorrect.
Thanks for bearing my opinions and apologies to anyone who feels otherwise.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: vvasanthi

I am new to Gulaal..just been watching for a few weeks..since Kesar's return..so may have missed the more delicate points in the story so far.

But when I see Gulaal, I just see a person who has become such a shell of woman. She lost her husband very early on and kept the woman in her subsided.
But unfortunately, the way the woman in her came out was very sad...while she majestically glorified her version of unconditional love, she made mince meat of Kesar's.
While she had complete hand in deciding Kesar's life (for whatever the situation and reason may have been at that time), she is unwilling to bear the consequences of her own actions. The sacrifice of a deeryarvattu wasnt in performing the ritual with Kesar, but in actually living with him as his wife for the rest of her life.
I find Gulaal, a poor lost soul, who is for all the she stands for in the serial, acting quite cowardly in the face of her consequences..
One cannot have the cake and eat it too.
And she has no right to belittle another person's love. Love takes so many forms and meanings. There is no one perfect way to love.
Kesar isnt Gulaal,and Gulaal isnt Kesar..so to expect each of them to fit in the same mold of expressing or feeling love is just incorrect.
Thanks for bearing my opinions and apologies to anyone who feels otherwise.



Hey lovely post!👏👏

Your points are bang on! Gulaal feels that only HER viewpoints are right...only SHE knows best...maybe this a type of defense mechanism right now since she feels cornered and forced to live her life in a way different from what she has gotten used to over the past 10 years mentally thinking of herself only as Vasant's widow.

Right now she is playing the martyr who is being forced to do things against her will...who isn't being given a CHOICE...but so easily she's forgotten that so many times KESAR never got choices either...the biggest choice of his life was taken out of his hands basically...and the consequences of THAT are what Gulaal WILL have to face as well...she can't magically brush those under the carpet.

I so agree...Gulaal has over the years become a mere shell of a woman...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@vvasanthi - While she had complete hand in deciding Kesar's life (for whatever the situation and reason may have been at that time), she is unwilling to bear the consequences of her own actions. The sacrifice of a deeryarvattu wasnt in performing the ritual with Kesar, but in actually living with him as his wife for the rest of her life.
I find Gulaal, a poor lost soul, who is for all the she stands for in the serial, acting quite cowardly in the face of her consequences..
One cannot have the cake and eat it too.
And she has no right to belittle another person's love. Love takes so many forms and meanings. There is no one perfect way to love.
Kesar isnt Gulaal,and Gulaal isnt Kesar..so to expect each of them to fit in the same mold of expressing or feeling love is just incorrect.

^^ This says it all, and very well! 👏
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Lenzooo🤗🤗...u will be happy to know that I have gotten some groove likings to this show and even tho I havent really followed this show from the start or even KG scenes...I will mumble here a bit on my thots from wateva I have observed n seen in the past few epis...so bare with me and I maybe in a totally different ball zone so excuse me for that as well... Shilpoo yaar, your here - cannot believe it, i am telling this show is right up your street, coz i know that this is a show that will get you talking, thinking, and seeing and understanding in depth, and i know the way you write as well, so i can see the justice you doing that to this show 😊 i will say though to get how Kesar-Gulaal fully it is so much better to get an understanding of the past episodes and so on... get with each episode and scene, they put it, it well detailed and written and has depth 😊

Moving on...as most of us know...is not an easy task but unfortunately...change is that one constant thing which is wat Gulaal has been avoiding all these years...Love has come to her in her most unexpected manner and life is inviting her from all angles...but wat to do with the comfort zone that she has built around her since the death of Vasant??? She is hesistant to step out of that zone coz life has never been fair to her and destiny has always played games with her heart...why risk it again... You know i agree that change is a constant thing, for Gulaal its not even avoiding as such esp back then and the 10 years she has lived as such, coz for her she thought well she will always live as Vasant's widow, in her mind and in her heart, despite her doing the deeyatvatu with Kesar, because she thought when he grows up he can get married to someone else and live a normal married life, thats what Gulaal thought and wanted, but as you see nothing like that turned out to be and today when eveything has reached to this point, she is indeed avoiding change coz everything around her is saying she has to change, Kesar accepting this deeyarvatu and wanting her as a wife, her in-laws see Kesar as her hubby and want their daughter to settle down, everything around her is given her a path towards Kesar, but as you see doesnt want that and putting so mnay barriers around her and against her heard. Gulaal for 10 years has lets just say existed rather then living, and she has monitored herself as some kind of machine, and today as you say she can come out of her comfort zone, she doesnt want to - i go back to the father-daugher chat, that was an eye-opener in how Gulaal seems to live as...
She feels violated by Kesar not becoz of the dynamics of wat her relationship with him used to be but becoz Kesar is on the verge of breaking all those chain n outlines that society imposes ...which is wat she has every known n believed in...Kesar is challenging her heart beats and those beliefs of her in the social norms and that is wat is not liking...
Her coming back but not being able to see Kesar as her hubby is only a convincing methodoly for herself to remain in the comfort zone and she is trying to program her mindset to that effect as well...but can she program the beatings of her heart??? She's never seen him as a pati, thats understandable, has she seen Kesar as anything but as THE Kesar she knows, she knows he is an adult today, but his behaviour sometimes is still like a child, its balances out between an man and a child... last week when she was leaving the house, i totally saw the 12 yrs old boy in him, coz Kesar in his childhood did that. It depends on when she starts seeing Kesar as a person - an man first would be a start lol, she does seen adult in front of her but not a Man i feel
Kesar on the other hand...I feel sorry for coz he can only feel and rationalize wat he feels for Gulaal but unfortuanately is not able to put it in words for Gulaal to understand wat she means to him. The desparation with which he behaved last few epis was not his desparation really to get Gulaal with him...it was rather his desparation to put his feelings for her in words that raises no questions...no doubts but he is failing to do that and I really dont think he can or ever will be able to do that either...infact no human can...feelings are such that it can only be felt n consumed...but yes...its the actions...that can speak...n unfortunately...in his desparation to put his feelings across Gulaal...his actions worked exactly the opposite of wat he intended...he became insensitive to Gulaal's state of feelings and he just spur out words like any other human..."main tumse pyar karta hoon"...which was bound to bounce back like it did... I very much agree, on this that Love has consumed Kesar, but the way he goes about showing it even we agree thats itss not right as you says action speaks, and the way he has behaved has just got Gulaal thinking, well its just an attachment, that she said to him after the rain love confession, and the more he acted the way he did, thats what she holded onto as well, and also like she said on Monday, why is it you need me - coz you only want a wife isnt it... to do things for you and so on..., see Kesar himself hasnt fully understood his love (its definately love) the depth of it to get it even more across to Gulaal in an sensible manner, and its not helping with him saying ILU to her, when she doesnt want to really hear that lol. Kesar has alot to learn and grow up as such... but i can what i am saying is make his love his strength
Now that Gulaal is back...and this time as Kesar's wife...Kesar has got the upper hand in being able to take it better on this time coz Gulaal's ever beating heart that she "thinks n believes" has stopped for Vasant only will have to find its way out and with Kesar's true n sincere emotions for her...his actions will sooner or later fail all the defences taht Gulaal is putting around her heart n life and we will see how!!!!!!😳 Kesar himself has to see what he has been doing and then think what he needs to do... she needs to be a support to her, not looking for her to support him and so on, he is so very much dependent on her as such.
One day i hope that Gulaal heart does beat for Kesar, that Kesar's love is pure and always has been...

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hey lovely post!👏👏

Your points are bang on! Gulaal feels that only HER viewpoints are right...only SHE knows best...maybe this a type of defense mechanism right now since she feels cornered and forced to live her life in a way different from what she has gotten used to over the past 10 years mentally thinking of herself only as Vasant's widow.

Right now she is playing the martyr who is being forced to do things against her will...who isn't being given a CHOICE...but so easily she's forgotten that so many times KESAR never got choices either...the biggest choice of his life was taken out of his hands basically...and the consequences of THAT are what Gulaal WILL have to face as well...she can't magically brush those under the carpet.

I so agree...Gulaal has over the years become a mere shell of a woman...

The thing i find is that yes Kesar never got choices but Gulaal never wanted him to feel like that, even back then you saw her motto was that well when he grows up and so on, he will get married to someone else and he can have normal married life... thats what she believed life will be like (i mean thats natural viewpoint) but unfortunately things just didnt go that way, as we saw and why... that was 10 yrs ago, i still believe she did the right thing in that situation that was present that day, as for Kesar today i feel that she does sometimes forget that Kesar well has got a right to choose and he chose you... and his feelings does matter, and i dont just mean overal LOVE feelings but feelings that a human has as well
Gulaal never thought that she would be anything besides Vasant's, and Vasant's widow, in her heart and mind this is what she was and lived as for 10 yrs and would do so, she never thought her and Kesar would get to a point where they will have to live as hubby/wifey and so on, coz i said what she thought and what she said at the deeyarvatu, that he will one day get married and live his normal life and well she be what she has always been Vasant's... but today you see the situation isnt like that... where things are changing and today it has to a point where her deeyarvatu has given a stamped of being their for life... and now that is not what she is facing up to as well... i mean where does she see herself and Kesar's life going, as i said they need a starting point to develop together and indivdually, and i do think this track now from Monday, hopefully do that... coz alot of foundation seems to be laid down
Her being Right or rather i say her choosing what is RIght at the time and given situation, is what makes Gulaal, coz i said overall even if she is majboor or forced to do something, it has to be HER choice and decision at the end she makes, because she is that woman who thinks at the moment, i feel this is right thing to do given the situation and so on, lets take the deeyarvatu, we all know that she was forced, and so on - but in the end she did make her own choice didnt she when she picked Kesar and we all know why... 10 yrs forwarded on, what did Gulaal says at the panchayant, that yes i did do that, yes i was in my senses, and yes i made that choice, a choice she doesnt regret coz given at that time it was a right one to make (she never once said she was forced and so on... because in the end, she was the one that made the decision, HER choice...)
I dont think she thinks her viewpoint entirely is right (but i do think given what has happened and what she is holding onto and said - she does think its right where we can its somewhat not right as well), i think the way she decides things is where she thinks is right and takes the decisions in that given situation and moment
Edited by Lennie - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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it is not normal for any1 to hold on to smting for so long memorys blur so y is she still tryin to aplly vasant related logic on vrythin...
also i don think the terrorist has gone good i think she will def come in btw GK:(
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: pixienasrin

it is not normal for any1 to hold on to smting for so long memorys blur so y is she still tryin to aplly vasant related logic on vrythin...

also i don think the terrorist has gone good i think she will def come in btw GK:(

The way Gulaal is holding onto Vasant esp today well is not healthy i guess, we cant even say its wrong or right, the more she does that the more she goes in her shell
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