Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi-EDT #18 - Page 22

The show has really gotten boring tbh. Nothing more to offer. And why are they not bringing Mihir back?! I don't like how Tulsi is behaving with Nandini. Hope they show a twist that Tulsi is aware of Rio’s plans

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

As I had told it a few days back. This show is a show mother in law and daughter in law, not a normal romantic show which discusses relationship of husband wife.

This conflict of Tulsi Nanadani is very apt. You can support either during a given time

Tulsi is the sole lead of this show, it will be about her and her relationship with others.

Even me too said in one of my post the show is not like that relation of mihir tulsi or karan nandani like kzk or kph, it's a saas bahu show so both nandani and tulsi justify the tittle atleast nandani has potential to became her bahu baki other are nothing they just nothing vrinda gone, munni no guts to tell against , damini is nothing and others standing only nandani has guts to give back to back both justify the tittle

Originally posted by: JustRandomGirl

The show has really gotten boring tbh. Nothing more to offer. And why are they not bringing Mihir back?! I don't like how Tulsi is behaving with Nandini. Hope they show a twist that Tulsi is aware of Rio’s plans

Hope yahi sahi ho not justify the tulsi in yest. epi she look someone else even me too want mihir too come back hope he knows something about rio when he come just not standing or ha mein ha milana

why only saas if saas not support her bahu so it's sasur ji duty this time kyunki sasur bhi pita hote hai

Originally posted by: bjsh82

I agree whatever you said about mihir but i disagree with what you said about karan.

Nandini went into coma after delivering birth to bhoomi karan became lifeless and he didn't want to see bhoomi . Tanya was the first one who held bhoomi in her arms no one told her to go and visit the baby , it was tanya's choice to take of bhoomi . As soon as bhoomi turned one and starting talking tanya taught her called her maa when bhoomi said it , tanya run to baa's room and told her then the virani family forced karan to marry tanya. During the saath pheras with tanya, karan stopped in the middle , he said no he can't do this but boomi starting crying and tanya handled her so he continued with the pheras. It took karan 3 years to accept tanya as a wife again when tulsi went out from jail she gave him a bhashan that tanya is not a nanny , she is ur responsibility he had to move on as nandini was gone forever. Since nandini had been in a coma for 4 years on life support system and doctors declared her as same as dead. When nandini woke up since then karan has not given tanya rights as his wife.

In niyati's case karan was drowing in gulit , his car caused niyati's memory loss, as soon as niyati regain consciouness she told rio he this is your dad and my husband, and the doctor spent years forcing him to take of her, promising she would recover .

If niyati and ansh r not related to ansh karan would have propably told nandini earlier.

He did't even tell tulsi because nandini was traumatized and tulsi was already dealing with the guilt of kiling ansh.

Karan told nandini i swear niyati and i have a namesake marriage no physical relationship, nandini forgave karan because despite all the hurrdles karan-nandini faced , their love stayed strong.

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KN are my favorite but I don't want to be biased like other fans and defend wrong, would love to call Spade a Spade! Karan is definitely wrong in marrying Tanya, he didn't like Bhoomi initially as he thought due to her Nandini went in come fair enough but he should have hired beat nannies for her who he could easily afford, nanny may not have been able to give motherly love to Bhoomi to that extent but nanny would have definitely not taken Nandini's right of being mother or wife which Tanya did due to Karan's decision of marrying her, Nandini wasn't dead! She was in comma and treatment was being done! in hope she will be fine, it would take time but there was hope! Didn't Karan realize ,what would happen with Nandini when she wakes up, she will loose her daughter and husband both to Tanya and that's what exactly happened! In Niyati's case also he is wrong! 10 years Reyansh didn't have face of Ansh, he should have simply informed Tulsi who would be more than happy to welcome them in SN as Tulsi might have pullled trigger in split of second of being woman but after then she had always been a guilt soaked mother, she accepted grown up Reyansh and Niyati and kept them in SN in split of second without even thinking about Nandini! So there was no point on hiding them and they weren't his responsibility,the accident wasn't intentional and Niyati's friend did mention she wasn't in sense so she might have come in front of his car! Karan has always put Tulsi over Nandini, yes he should support Tulsi on right things for her accepting Karan not in wrongs! He has always taken wrong decision for sake of Tulsi and family be it sacrificing Nandini for Ansh,marrying Tanya or taking care of Reyansh and Niyati! Due to which Nandini has always been in the receiving end and suffered the most! I really hope this time when Karan comes backs he supports and take care of Nandini and his own family rather than rant Tulsi and Reyansh, will really be disappointed if he again does so!!!!

It's not necessary that everyone thinks the same way you do . If you are karan-nandini fan you should look at both the sides of the coin instead of one.

Karan was in deep depressed when nandini slipped into a coma, he even couldn't look at bhoomi , so how would he even think about hiring a nanny ? Tanya stepped into care of bhoomi by herself nobody forced her . Bhoomi grew attached to her and when she turned one tanya taught her call her maa on her won . It was only then that virani family pushed karan to marry tanya .

Also let be clear there was zero hope of nandini waking up , the doctors try to take her life support away but karan fights to keep the tubes on her .

Rio was ansh's son and nandini despised ansh , as rio grew up he looked more like ansh so karan did it to protect nandini from trauma. Karan had no way of knowing tulsi would just accept rio and niyati right way.

I admit only for tulsi's sake karan sacrificed his love nandini for that monster ansh but did karan force nandini to marry ansh ? No . Ansh manipulated nandini's grandfather he was very fond of him, even he rejected karan because he was an illegitimate child . So just for the sake of his grandfather nandini agreed to marry ansh. But ansh's true colours were revealed to her on their wedding night , that he pretended to be nice but a psycho he didn't love nandini only wanted her for himself . Nandini wanted a divorce from him on the second dy of their marriage she talks about it with her mother but she doesn't suoppert her . Karan was the only one who felt nandini is upset and tried to ask her but nandini didn't tell him anything . At once nandini heard karan & tanya's conversation karan rejected her proposal and straightly told to tanya that he still loves nandini and only for the sake of tulsi he sacrificed his love nandini for ansh . Then after a few days nandini told karan the truth about ansh and karan believed her and he supported her too. Tulsi misunderstood karan and she kicked him out from sn . Tulsi realized her mistake only after that horrible incident .

Originally posted by: Me_Harini

I agree with this take. R**e is fundamentally about the absence of consent. Whether the people involved are married or unmarried does not change that basic fact. If one person engages in a s*xual act without the free and voluntary consent of the other person, it is r**e. Consent is the key issue.

Applying that to Mihir and Mandira's situation, Mihir by no means is a r**e victim based on how the story was presented. Mihir did not appear to be forced, threatened, physically overpowered, or rendered incapable of making decisions. He was conscious... aware of his actions, and capable of making choices. While Mandira may have manipulated him emotionally and deceived him regarding her mental condition...that isnt the same thing as forcing him into a s*xual relationship.

The doctors never instructed Mihir to sleep with Mandira. Their advice was to take care of her and mentooned she was mentally unstable and emotionally vulnerable. Looking after someone's wellbeing, supporting them emotionally, or ensuring their safety doesn't automatically translate into having a s*xual relationship with them. That was a boundary Mihir was responsible for maintaining.

If Mihir truly believed Mandira was mentally unstable then he had even more reason to be careful about his interactions with her. Instead he crossed a line and became physically involved with her. At every stage he had the option to step back. He could have maintained emotional distance..or simply refused or s*xual involvement. The fact that he chose not to do so suggests that he was an active participant in the situation rather than someone who was forced into it.

Many people argue that Mandira manipulated Mihir by fabricating her condition. That criticism may be fair. Emotional manipulation is wrong and deceiving someone about one's mental or physical state is unethical. However being manipulated does not automatically mean a person loses all responsibility for their own choices.

Mandira's deception may explain why Mihir sympathized with her, trusted her, or felt responsible for her wellbeing. It may explain why he spent time with her... remained emotionally invested in her situation..or lowered his guard. But it does not by itself explain or justify his decision to become s*xually involved with her. Caring for someone and sleeping with them are fundamentally different choices. No amount of sympathy... concern...guilt or responsibility automatically leads to a s*xual relationship.

Even if Mihir was misled about Mandira's condition he still exercised his own judgment when he crossed that boundary. The deception may explain his emotional involvement but the physical relationship still required his active participation and consent. He was not a passive bystander. He was an adult capable of making decisions, and the decision to have s*x was ultimately his own.

This is why I believe the central issue in the storyline is infidelity rather than s*xual assault. Mihir was married to Tulsi. Regardless of Mandira's intentions, he made a conscious decision that resulted in a betrayal of his marriage. That is why many viewers saw him as someone who cheated rather than someone who was victimized.

What makes the situation even more interesting is that the story can be examined from the opposite perspective. Mihir believed Mandira was mentally unstable. He blieved she was emotionally fragile and in need of special care. Yet despite holding that belief he became s*xually involved with her.

This raises an important question...if a person genuinely believes another individual is mentally unstable, should they be entering into a s*xual relationship with that person at all?

In real life consent is not just about saying "yes." A person must also have the mental capacity to understand the nature and consequences of the act they are agreeing to. If someone lacks that capacity... their ability to consent becomes questionable.

Therefore if Mandira had actually been mentally unstable to the extent that she could not make informed decisions, Mihir's conduct would become ethically problematic and that wud be termed as r**e. In that scenario one could argue that he was taking advantage of a vulnerable person rather than being victimized by her.

After all,l Mihir did not know that Mandira was allegedly lying. From his perspective... she was a mentally unstable, emotionally vulnerable woman who required special care and protection. He believed she was not in a normal state of mind and that she was dependent on the support of those around her. If that belief is accepted as true, then Mihir's actions is nothing but to be termed as r**e. However we don't do tat as we all knew Mandira was manipulating him. But if she was really mentally unstable then this entire act wud make Mihir a criminal...and since she was just acting as mentally unstable we don't term him criminal...however he was not forced into the act and he willingly involved in this act.

A person who genuinely believes someone is mentally unstable should be exercising greater caution, stronger boundaries, and a higher sense of responsibility. Instead Mihir did the opposite. Rather than maintaining an appropriate distance he became emotionally and physically involved with her. That decision cannot simply be dismissed as an unfortunate mistake caused by Mandira's deception.

The contradiction is obvious. On one hand Mihir and others justified special treatment toward Mandira because she was supposedly mentally unstable and vulnerable. On the other hand Mihir was willing to enter into a s*xual relationship with that same person. If he truly believed she lacked emotional stability and required protection then he should have been questioning whether she was capable of making such decisions in the first place.

This is where the argument that Mihir was merely a victim begins to fall apart. If Mandira was genuinely mentally unstable, then Mihir was not dealing with an equal and fully capable partner. He was dealing with someone he believed to be vulnerable and dependent. Under those circumstances the burden of responsibility rested even more heavily on him. In fact one could argue that Mihir took advantage of a situation that he himself believed involved a vulnerable woman. He was the person in the stronger position. He was the married adult who was supposedly acting as her caretaker and protector. He was the one expected to exercise judgment and restraint. Instead of protecting those boundaries he crossed them.

The irony is that many attempts to portray Mihir as a victim rely on the claim that Mandira was mentally unstable. Yet if that claim is accepted it raises uncomfortable questions about Mihir's own conduct. A man who believes a woman is mentally unstable does not get absolved of responsibility for becoming s*xually involved with her. If anything his responsibility becomes greater.

Of course Mandira was fully aware of her actions and capable of consenting. In that version of events, neither party was rap*d. Instead what occurred was a consensual sexual relationship built on deception, emotional manipulation, poor judgment, and a betrayal of trust. Mandira may have lied. She may have manipulated circumstances to her advantage. She may have influenced Mihir emotionally. But none of that changes the fact that Mihir was conscious, aware, and ultimately chose to participate in the act.

Whether Mandira was genuinely mentally unstable or whether she was pretending, Mihir's actions remain cannot to defended. If she was pretending, then he cheated on Tulsi in his full consciousness with a woman who manipulated him. If she was genuinely mentally unstable, then he became s*xually involved with a woman whom he himself believed was vulnerable and potentially incapable of exercising fully independent judgment. Neither interpretation paints Mihir as an innocent victim.

The greater moral failure in the situation was his decision to betray Tulsi despite having multiple opportunities to refuse and walk away. Viewed through that lens, the storyline is more about accountability, personal responsibility, emotional manipulation, abuse of trust, and infidelity. The tragedy is not that Mihir was forced into something against his will, but that he willingly crossed boundaries that should never have been crossed in the first place.

This actually is a very important point. Mihir was deceived, what he did in that deception was actually r**e (as you said had Mandira really been ill)

She was with Amar, not with Mihir. According to her (as Mihir thought), she was with her husband/boyfriend who loves her utmost and will have a long life with her. If Mihir believed this to be true, when he got actually involved in the relation, he was the one exploiting a vulnerable person whose consent was due to her ill information. She wasn't giving the consent for Tulsi's husband (Mihir had clearly said, Mandira doesn't know Tulsi or Tulsi's Mihir, but only her Amar, so till very late Mihir held that belied). From his perspective what he was doing was sleeping with a girl with a fake identity of her husband's/boyfriend's.

Till the time Mandira's truth was exposed Mihir was the culprit (both morally and legally)

So in fact from his perspective, he had actually r**ed Mandira, it was only 25 years later he got to know that he hadn't.

But that doesn't mean he was forced

It is similar to like had Karan slept with Niyati during this period, it wouldnt just have been betrayal to wife, but actual r**ing the girl

That mental ailment would have all the more reason to restraint oneself and not to use it as a justification for relationship.

Originally posted by: NeeruNature

Even me too said in one of my post the show is not like that relation of mihir tulsi or karan nandani like kzk or kph, it's a saas bahu show so both nandani and tulsi justify the tittle atleast nandani has potential to became her bahu baki other so nothing they just nothing vrinda gone, munni so guts, damini is nothing and others standing only nandani has guts to give back to back both justify the tittle

If at all Vaishnavi faces some issues, both Tulsi and Nanadani will stand for her

Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

What was the need for Karan to hide it from Viranis in the first place?

The 10 year old Reyansh did not look like Ansh. Just as Shradhdha and Ekalavya were accepted as Ansh's family, so would Niyati and Reyansh. Doesn't he know Tulsi well enough for it?

On the contrary, had they known of it years ago, Niyati and Reyansh would have had family to support them throughout, Niyati and Nandini would have dealt with trauma and made peace with it gradually.

Reyansh would have known the truth about his biological father and grown-up to the right value system (which is questionable given the likes of Dev and the silence).

About Nandini leaving Shantiniketan, after what Reyansh said which was met with silence from everyone and what Tulsi said now, you think Nandini has any respect? You think Parth/Samaira would want to stay after learning what Tulsi said to Nandini?

Besides, it will be a test of Viranis' understanding of Nandini. Because in the last few episodes, ALL they have done is throw the favour on her face (favour of standing by her when Ansh committed the heinous crime).

When the virani family accepted eklavya and shradha nandini was actually in jail. Also tuldi didn't feel any guilt for killing ansh back in sesaon 1 whereas this season completely changes that narrative and shows her feeling guilty . And eklavya was adopted by gautam not karan.

It doesn't matter that rio didn't resemble ansh at age 10 . Rio was still connected to ansh's bloodline and nandini hated ansh.

Whatever tulsi did to nandini how is that to karan's fault ? Karan is not around anymore so why should he be punished for tulsi's bad behaviour ?

And as for as parth he knows exactly what happened between nandini and tulsi .Didn't you hear his conversation with vaishnavi ? What action even take parth for nandini ? He is always just busy in vaishnavi , dev and saloni .

Originally posted by: adeela

It's not necessary that everyone thinks the same way you do . If you are karan-nandini fan you should look at both the sides of the coin instead of one.

Karan was in deep depressed when nandini slipped into a coma, he even couldn't look at bhoomi , so how would he even think about hiring a nanny ? Tanya stepped into care of bhoomi by herself nobody forced her . Bhoomi grew attached to her and when she turned one tanya taught her call her maa on her won . It was only then that virani family pushed karan to marry tanya .

Also let be clear there was zero hope of nandini waking up , the doctors try to take her life support away but karan fights to keep the tubes on her .

Rio was ansh's son and nandini despised ansh , as rio grew up he looked more like ansh so karan did it to protect nandini from trauma. Karan had no way of knowing tulsi would just accept rio and niyati right way.

I admit only for tulsi's sake karan sacrificed his love nandini for that monster ansh but did karan force nandini to marry ansh ? No . Ansh manipulated nandini's grandfather he was very fond of him, even he rejected karan because he was an illegitimate child . So just for the sake of his grandfather nandini agreed to marry ansh. But ansh's true colours were revealed to her on their wedding night , that he pretended to be nice but a psycho he didn't love nandini only wanted her for himself . Nandini wanted a divorce from him on the second dy of their marriage she talks about it with her mother but she doesn't suoppert her . Karan was the only one who felt nandini is upset and tried to ask her but nandini didn't tell him anything . At once nandini heard karan & tanya's conversation karan rejected her proposal and straightly told to tanya that he still loves nandini and only for the sake of tulsi he sacrificed his love nandini for ansh . Then after a few days nandini told karan the truth about ansh and karan believed her and he supported her too. Tulsi misunderstood karan and she kicked him out from sn . Tulsi realized her mistake only after that horrible incident .

My question is what was he thnking when he married Tanya and what is the point to keep Nandini in coma if she has to leave her daughter and husband when she wakes up! Was he thinking that Tanya will divorce him and handover Bhoomi to Nandini once she get out of coma,he is not a kid to listen to Tulsi and consumate with Tanya and fall in love with her which he did mention in the diary that he loves Nandini but started to love new woman in his life (Tanya),Reyansh didn't grew up instantly and Tulsi accepted Ekalvya so why he thought Reyansh wouldn't be accepted, will cause trauma to Tulsi, KN were living in US, Reyansh and Niyati would have lived in SN with Tulsi and would be her responsibility, he need have to sabotage his relation with Nandini to that extent of divorce and Samira trying suicide for them! He didn't oppose Reyansh when he questioned Nandini for not compromising in marriage, didn't care to comfort his own kids instead he cared more about Reyansh, he hasn't once called Nandini to check on her but worried more about Niyati and Reyansh which is totally wrong!

Originally posted by: adeela

When the virani family accepted eklavya and shradha nandini was actually in jail. Also tuldi didn't feel any guilt for killing ansh back in sesaon 1 whereas this season completely changes that narrative and shows her feeling guilty . And eklavya was adopted by gautam not karan.

It doesn't matter that rio didn't resemble ansh at age 10 . Rio was still connected to ansh's bloodline and nandini hated ansh.

Whatever tulsi did to nandini how is that to karan's fault ? Karan is not around anymore so why should he be punished for tulsi's bad behaviour ?

And as for as parth he knows exactly what happened between nandini and tulsi .Didn't you hear his conversation with vaishnavi ? What action even take parth for nandini ? He is always just busy in vaishnavi , dev and saloni .

Ekalavya being adopted by Gautam itself is an acceptance, isnt it?

How is Nandini's hatred of Ansh translating to hatred of the bloodline? Was it shown that Nandini hated Ekalavya for him being Ansh's son?

Even now, had Reyansh looked any different, you think Nandini would have had issues? Reyansh has mentioned a few times that Nandini doesn’t seem him in the eye when conversing. So it has always been about who he "looked" like not about whose son he was.

Karan created this mess. He is responsible for the mess. When Reyansh was questioning and accusing Nandini in the same breath, he was silent. He has always expected Nandini to adjust to the situation and bow to Tulsi's diktat, right ir otherwise.

As for Parth, he has been the only one who has shown his support to Nandini and even voiced out in support of Nandini. When the confrontation between Tulsi and Nandini happened, what did you expect him to do? Shout at Tulsi, his grandmother? At best, him and Samaira wanting to go with Nandini after what he heard, is the only thing he can do.

Hypocrite Nandini wants her husband to be accepted despite coming out of evil blood Mandira but wants to do injustice to a child because of his blood. Used to feel bad for her, but after her seeing her actions in the last few weeks, I don’t feel any sympathy for her anymore