Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi-EDT #18 - Page 21

Originally posted by: Meredith

So, they turned Rio negative? interesting.

Originally posted by: adeela

Why should nandini leave sn and clear the way for niyati ? Karan never wanted to bring niyati and rio in sn, it was tulsi's desicion . If karan is a bad person and doesn't love nandini he could have taken advantage of niyati . Why else would he remain just a namesake husband to her for so many years ?

What was the need for Karan to hide it from Viranis in the first place?

The 10 year old Reyansh did not look like Ansh. Just as Shradhdha and Ekalavya were accepted as Ansh's family, so would Niyati and Reyansh. Doesn't he know Tulsi well enough for it?

On the contrary, had they known of it years ago, Niyati and Reyansh would have had family to support them throughout, Niyati and Nandini would have dealt with trauma and made peace with it gradually.

Reyansh would have known the truth about his biological father and grown-up to the right value system (which is questionable given the likes of Dev and the silence).

About Nandini leaving Shantiniketan, after what Reyansh said which was met with silence from everyone and what Tulsi said now, you think Nandini has any respect? You think Parth/Samaira would want to stay after learning what Tulsi said to Nandini?

Besides, it will be a test of Viranis' understanding of Nandini. Because in the last few episodes, ALL they have done is throw the favour on her face (favour of standing by her when Ansh committed the heinous crime).

Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

Let me get this straight:

1. For some strange reason, Karan decides to hide that Ansh had a girlfriend (Niyati) and a 10 year old son (Reyansh) in America. Niyati has a memory loss and assumes Karan to be her husband. Karan is ok to lead a dual life for years on end, hiding this truth for the fear of the child not being accepted or whatever else and puts the burden on Nandini of "trying to protect her" because an Adult Reyansh looks exactly like Ansh, who happens to be the evil son of Tulsi.

Interesting!

2. Ansh commits the heinous crime and the Victim who asked one favour of being kept away from Reyansh which triggers the trauma of the horrible past that was thrust on her, is to be blamed here because although they look alike, she should know better that Reyansh is not Ansh and deal with her fears and trauma by herself, supported by a few encouraging words of family from time to time.

What's more, the son Reyansh, questions Nandini's past, her character and intentions and none in the family bothers correcting them.

Wow!

3. Niyati and Karan and Reyansh live under the same roof as Nandini like a family but Nandini is wrong because she cannot see her husband with another woman who works as a caring wife and her husband keeps calling her, albeit to check on her.

Tulsi, Karan and the family pushed her so hard and took advantage of her resilience, Nandini should leave Shantiniketan and Karan.

Very well said!

Seriously, Rio n Niyati's reaction was weird and absurd.

If she knew Ansh was killed by Tulsi, is she knowing Ansh's past relationships?? I think so she herself found the way to get hit by Karan's car, and then created this memory loss.

This seems to be Niyati's revenge plan, how on earth she could recognize Rio as her son, Ansh as her husband, then Karan koun hai how she knows now that he is not Rio's father.

Tulsi wanted to give him back his rights, and ruin all other relationships.

Past me hamare poorvaj aise illegitimate rishte ko bahar hi rkhte the, haan probably support them with property, sukh suvidha, but dono families alag alag.

Karan ka mahan banna koi logic nhi dikh rha, Karan ka dad n Pati banna is so illogical 😡, I never liked it. He is more concerned of Niyati n Rio, than Nandini n kids. 🙄.

Tulsi being quiet at Ansh's accusations of killing his biological dad, and she blindly being emotional about him, involving him in a business decision without a business experience or background looks so stupid.

I dislike Rio's comparison with the kid Parth. 🙄

I agree whatever you said about mihir but i disagree with what you said about karan.

Nandini went into coma after delivering birth to bhoomi karan became lifeless and he didn't want to see bhoomi . Tanya was the first one who held bhoomi in her arms no one told her to go and visit the baby , it was tanya's choice to take of bhoomi . As soon as bhoomi turned one and starting talking tanya taught her called her maa when bhoomi said it , tanya run to baa's room and told her then the virani family forced karan to marry tanya. During the saath pheras with tanya, karan stopped in the middle , he said no he can't do this but boomi starting crying and tanya handled her so he continued with the pheras. It took karan 3 years to accept tanya as a wife again when tulsi went out from jail she gave him a bhashan that tanya is not a nanny , she is ur responsibility he had to move on as nandini was gone forever. Since nandini had been in a coma for 4 years on life support system and doctors declared her as same as dead. When nandini woke up since then karan has not given tanya rights as his wife.

In niyati's case karan was drowing in gulit , his car caused niyati's memory loss, as soon as niyati regain consciouness she told rio he this is your dad and my husband, and the doctor spent years forcing him to take of her, promising she would recover .

If niyati and ansh r not related to ansh karan would have propably told nandini earlier.

He did't even tell tulsi because nandini was traumatized and tulsi was already dealing with the guilt of kiling ansh.

Karan told nandini i swear niyati and i have a namesake marriage no physical relationship, nandini forgave karan because despite all the hurrdles karan-nandini faced , their love stayed strong.

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KN are my favorite but I don't want to be biased like other fans and defend wrong, would love to call Spade a Spade! Karan is definitely wrong in marrying Tanya, he didn't like Bhoomi initially as he thought due to her Nandini went in come fair enough but he should have hired beat nannies for her who he could easily afford, nanny may not have been able to give motherly love to Bhoomi to that extent but nanny would have definitely not taken Nandini's right of being mother or wife which Tanya did due to Karan's decision of marrying her, Nandini wasn't dead! She was in comma and treatment was being done! in hope she will be fine, it would take time but there was hope! Didn't Karan realize ,what would happen with Nandini when she wakes up, she will loose her daughter and husband both to Tanya and that's what exactly happened! In Niyati's case also he is wrong! 10 years Reyansh didn't have face of Ansh, he should have simply informed Tulsi who would be more than happy to welcome them in SN as Tulsi might have pullled trigger in split of second of being woman but after then she had always been a guilt soaked mother, she accepted grown up Reyansh and Niyati and kept them in SN in split of second without even thinking about Nandini! So there was no point on hiding them and they weren't his responsibility,the accident wasn't intentional and Niyati's friend did mention she wasn't in sense so she might have come in front of his car! Karan has always put Tulsi over Nandini, yes he should support Tulsi on right things for her accepting Karan not in wrongs! He has always taken wrong decision for sake of Tulsi and family be it sacrificing Nandini for Ansh,marrying Tanya or taking care of Reyansh and Niyati! Due to which Nandini has always been in the receiving end and suffered the most! I really hope this time when Karan comes backs he supports and take care of Nandini and his own family rather than rant Tulsi and Reyansh, will really be disappointed if he again does so!!!!

Originally posted by: bjsh82

What a pathetic behavior of Tulsi with Nandini! Disgusting! What a fall of Tulsi's character from strong, righteous woman to merely weak, guilt soaked biased mother! Niyati saw KN's wedding pics and overheard Nandini - Tulsi conversation, which Tulsi started! Nandini didn't go to her to compla, still Tulsi blames Nandini for asking about Niyati's health update which Nandini didn't need to, and asks her to leave Karan and SN! Even Gautam has sense that whatever Tulsi said to Nandini for Niyati is wrong, but Tulsi doesn't have trace of guilt.Now eagerly waiting for the day when her rant of mera Ansh ka Ansh comes true and Reyansh takes revenge on her and kick her out of SN! that would be the best slap on her face for blind love for 2nd time and whatever she is doing with Nandini! BTW what a tight slap it was for those people who were questioning Nandini's behavior for raising voice on Tulsi seeing PC, whereas their favorite Tulsi is the one who is completely wrong!

Ya completely behaviour not up to her image yesterday ya she is in tension , frustrated in guilt or whatever not in senses but that does not you shouted or apna frustration kisi aur par apni bahu par niklalo that doesn't go well with her character

About gautam that's why I like him his bindass attitude unlike karan who always support her maa whether she is wrong or right but gautam had gults to tell right or what wrong he not hesitate to wrong tulsi he sees his profit more sometimes but look realistic and go against any one

Originally posted by: NeeruNature

Ya completely behaviour not up to her image yesterday ya she is in tension , frustrated in guilt or whatever not in senses but that does not you shouted or apna frustration kisi aur par apni bahu par niklalo that doesn't go well with her character

About gautam that's why I like him his bindass attitude unlike karan who always support her maa whether she is wrong or right but gautam had gults to tell right or what wrong he not hesitate to wrong tulsi he sees his profit more sometimes but look realistic and go against any one

That is because Gautam is Tulsi's biological mom. Karan can openly say when Mandira or Mihir are wrong because they are his biological parents. How much soever you get angry at your bio parents or even cut ties with them, at the end of the day you know you have complete rights on them

Tulsi might be someone Karan loves the most in this world, but he definitely has no rights on her unlike Gautam, Shobha or even Reyansh.

About Tulsi, yesterday her behavior made no sense. I was the one saying that Nandani shouldn't blame Tulsi the way she is till yesterday, but now they have given Nandani ample reason to behave in that way. Niyati finding the truth of Karan Nandani marriage or recalling her past has nothing to do with Nandani. She didn't go and tell this to Niyati. Why shall one blame Nandani for this. It was more like she wanted to have a scapegoat to push over her burdens.

And why do they make it sound like Tulsi's k1lled Ansh for Nandani's sake? Yes she did a great thing. But he had to die because he was evil. Nandani might feel indebted to Tulsi for saving her, but actually it was her right to stay the way she wanted not someone's benevolence

Reyansh hates Nandani so much, didn't he notice that she was actually accepting another woman getting close her husband for Reyansh' mother's sake

As I had told it a few days back. This show is a show mother in law and daughter in law, not a normal romantic show which discusses relationship of husband wife.

This conflict of Tulsi Nanadani is very apt. You can support either during a given time

Tulsi is the sole lead of this show, it will be about her and her relationship with others.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

That is exactly my point. If at all the doctor had told (lied) to Mihir that Mandira could be cured if Mihir sleeps with her and that was the reason for Mihir to sleep with her then that could definitely be a r**e as he mislead by false information into sleeping with her

But here it was nothing of that sort. Having mental ailment or not has nothing to do with having a relationship. So it was definitely not be misled into sleeping with her

Any random information not known/lied about while getting the consent doesn't constitute r**e. That information should be crucial for leading one to sleep with other.

I mean if any false information shared/any not fully informed relationship leads to r**e, then I guess Mihir had done a marital r**e to Tulsi because when Shobha was conceived before that Mihir (while in amnesia as Amar) had slept with Mandira. Mihir never told this to Tulsi, she only got to know about it after Mandira got pregnant (this season)/pretended to be pregnant (S1) and we know that Tulsi might have never stayed with Mihir had she known this beforehand. So, this consent of Tulsi was not fully informed.

I agree with this take. R**e is fundamentally about the absence of consent. Whether the people involved are married or unmarried does not change that basic fact. If one person engages in a s*xual act without the free and voluntary consent of the other person, it is r**e. Consent is the key issue.

Applying that to Mihir and Mandira's situation, Mihir by no means is a r**e victim based on how the story was presented. Mihir did not appear to be forced, threatened, physically overpowered, or rendered incapable of making decisions. He was conscious... aware of his actions, and capable of making choices. While Mandira may have manipulated him emotionally and deceived him regarding her mental condition...that isnt the same thing as forcing him into a s*xual relationship.

The doctors never instructed Mihir to sleep with Mandira. Their advice was to take care of her and mentooned she was mentally unstable and emotionally vulnerable. Looking after someone's wellbeing, supporting them emotionally, or ensuring their safety doesn't automatically translate into having a s*xual relationship with them. That was a boundary Mihir was responsible for maintaining.

If Mihir truly believed Mandira was mentally unstable then he had even more reason to be careful about his interactions with her. Instead he crossed a line and became physically involved with her. At every stage he had the option to step back. He could have maintained emotional distance..or simply refused or s*xual involvement. The fact that he chose not to do so suggests that he was an active participant in the situation rather than someone who was forced into it.

Many people argue that Mandira manipulated Mihir by fabricating her condition. That criticism may be fair. Emotional manipulation is wrong and deceiving someone about one's mental or physical state is unethical. However being manipulated does not automatically mean a person loses all responsibility for their own choices.

Mandira's deception may explain why Mihir sympathized with her, trusted her, or felt responsible for her wellbeing. It may explain why he spent time with her... remained emotionally invested in her situation..or lowered his guard. But it does not by itself explain or justify his decision to become s*xually involved with her. Caring for someone and sleeping with them are fundamentally different choices. No amount of sympathy... concern...guilt or responsibility automatically leads to a s*xual relationship.

Even if Mihir was misled about Mandira's condition he still exercised his own judgment when he crossed that boundary. The deception may explain his emotional involvement but the physical relationship still required his active participation and consent. He was not a passive bystander. He was an adult capable of making decisions, and the decision to have s*x was ultimately his own.

This is why I believe the central issue in the storyline is infidelity rather than s*xual assault. Mihir was married to Tulsi. Regardless of Mandira's intentions, he made a conscious decision that resulted in a betrayal of his marriage. That is why many viewers saw him as someone who cheated rather than someone who was victimized.

What makes the situation even more interesting is that the story can be examined from the opposite perspective. Mihir believed Mandira was mentally unstable. He blieved she was emotionally fragile and in need of special care. Yet despite holding that belief he became s*xually involved with her.

This raises an important question...if a person genuinely believes another individual is mentally unstable, should they be entering into a s*xual relationship with that person at all?

In real life consent is not just about saying "yes." A person must also have the mental capacity to understand the nature and consequences of the act they are agreeing to. If someone lacks that capacity... their ability to consent becomes questionable.

Therefore if Mandira had actually been mentally unstable to the extent that she could not make informed decisions, Mihir's conduct would become ethically problematic and that wud be termed as r**e. In that scenario one could argue that he was taking advantage of a vulnerable person rather than being victimized by her.

After all,l Mihir did not know that Mandira was allegedly lying. From his perspective... she was a mentally unstable, emotionally vulnerable woman who required special care and protection. He believed she was not in a normal state of mind and that she was dependent on the support of those around her. If that belief is accepted as true, then Mihir's actions is nothing but to be termed as r**e. However we don't do tat as we all knew Mandira was manipulating him. But if she was really mentally unstable then this entire act wud make Mihir a criminal...and since she was just acting as mentally unstable we don't term him criminal...however he was not forced into the act and he willingly involved in this act.

A person who genuinely believes someone is mentally unstable should be exercising greater caution, stronger boundaries, and a higher sense of responsibility. Instead Mihir did the opposite. Rather than maintaining an appropriate distance he became emotionally and physically involved with her. That decision cannot simply be dismissed as an unfortunate mistake caused by Mandira's deception.

The contradiction is obvious. On one hand Mihir and others justified special treatment toward Mandira because she was supposedly mentally unstable and vulnerable. On the other hand Mihir was willing to enter into a s*xual relationship with that same person. If he truly believed she lacked emotional stability and required protection then he should have been questioning whether she was capable of making such decisions in the first place.

This is where the argument that Mihir was merely a victim begins to fall apart. If Mandira was genuinely mentally unstable, then Mihir was not dealing with an equal and fully capable partner. He was dealing with someone he believed to be vulnerable and dependent. Under those circumstances the burden of responsibility rested even more heavily on him. In fact one could argue that Mihir took advantage of a situation that he himself believed involved a vulnerable woman. He was the person in the stronger position. He was the married adult who was supposedly acting as her caretaker and protector. He was the one expected to exercise judgment and restraint. Instead of protecting those boundaries he crossed them.

The irony is that many attempts to portray Mihir as a victim rely on the claim that Mandira was mentally unstable. Yet if that claim is accepted it raises uncomfortable questions about Mihir's own conduct. A man who believes a woman is mentally unstable does not get absolved of responsibility for becoming s*xually involved with her. If anything his responsibility becomes greater.

Of course Mandira was fully aware of her actions and capable of consenting. In that version of events, neither party was rap*d. Instead what occurred was a consensual sexual relationship built on deception, emotional manipulation, poor judgment, and a betrayal of trust. Mandira may have lied. She may have manipulated circumstances to her advantage. She may have influenced Mihir emotionally. But none of that changes the fact that Mihir was conscious, aware, and ultimately chose to participate in the act.

Whether Mandira was genuinely mentally unstable or whether she was pretending, Mihir's actions remain cannot to defended. If she was pretending, then he cheated on Tulsi in his full consciousness with a woman who manipulated him. If she was genuinely mentally unstable, then he became s*xually involved with a woman whom he himself believed was vulnerable and potentially incapable of exercising fully independent judgment. Neither interpretation paints Mihir as an innocent victim.

The greater moral failure in the situation was his decision to betray Tulsi despite having multiple opportunities to refuse and walk away. Viewed through that lens, the storyline is more about accountability, personal responsibility, emotional manipulation, abuse of trust, and infidelity. The tragedy is not that Mihir was forced into something against his will, but that he willingly crossed boundaries that should never have been crossed in the first place.