A Film Doesn’t Feel Like Propaganda If You Never Pause to Notice - Page 4

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Posted: 1 months ago
#31

Originally posted by: Clochette

bold: all these are labels... whoever can give whatever label to anything and anybody...

When giving a label (here to a piece of art), one should - at least - support the label-giving with the details one perceives as indicators.

None of the three labels work for me... I even won't give a label to both the parts except that the ensemble is a spy action-thriller (which is a movie genre).

As for the generational kind of perceiving movies, there - naturally - could and/or would be differences in perception (which is fine to me).

The Dhurandhar spoiler thread was (still is) a great read but what I missed was a discussion thread adressing the labels given without quickly giving stamps to members who saw things in a different light.

What doesn’t work for u may work for someone else..#just saying

Unless u r specifically employed for certifying the labels for all movies

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Posted: 1 months ago
#32

Originally posted by: Clochette

Trump more or less ordered the Indian government to stop a military operation that became a risk for the own nuclear depots in Pakistan.

The last line could get easily inversed into "It is just blind Modi admiration; one just sees what one wants to see." ... one even doesn't need to mention the Modi part... the second one is what has the main importance smiley2

Surprise!!

The people who call Trump a Madman and bestow him with multiple labels/tags..call him evil…they r so quick to believe his words when it comes to India and Modi. Right now every single word he utters against India would be nothing but the truth.

But incidentally they were cursing him when he went around calling Modi his best friend.
#dailyexposeofhypocrisy

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Posted: 1 months ago
#33

Originally posted by: asmitamohanty

So let me clarify it (even though I don't need to but still to avoid misunderstanding),

I am not a Dhurandhar hater....I saw it as a movie and there are certain things I liked and certain things I didn't like.... I found D1 really entertaining and intersting though.

So One of my biggest discomfort was the way they handled 26/11..

See, I feel fortunate that neither I nor anyone close to me was directly affected by the horror of 26/11. But that does not distance me from what it represents. For countless people, it was not just a headline or a date, it was loss, fear, helplessness. People lost their lives,lost their near and dear ones.Survivors saw death up close. Many of them likely carry that trauma even today in ways we cannot fully comprehend.

And that is exactly why the use of such a tragedy in cinema demands a certain responsibility.

When a film brings in real footage, real transcripts, real echoes of that night of 26/11, it is no longer operating purely in the space of fiction. It borrows the weight of reality...the kind of weight that comes from lived suffering. That weight is powerful. It makes the narrative feel authentic, immediate, unquestionable. But it also means that the emotions being evoked are not entirely earned by the story itself.They are inherited from a real, collective wound.

This is where it began to feel like manipulation to me.

Because the audience is not just responding to the film; they are responding to memory. A shared, deeply emotional memory that most people already associate with grief, anger, and fear. By invoking that memory so directly, the film doesn’t just tell us what to feel,it ensures that we feel it. The line between storytelling and emotional conditioning starts to blur.

For viewers who are not politically or cinematically inclined to question what they are watching(and India is filled with such people because not all are as privileged as us, survival is a struggle for so many people), for them, this effect can be even stronger. When real elements are embedded within fiction, the entire narrative can begin to feel real. Not just emotionally true, but factually true. And that is a powerful and potentially dangerous space for any film to occupy.

But beyond questions of perception and ideology, there is a more human concern.

For those who lived through that night, or lost someone in it, these are not “powerful cinematic moments.” They are fragments of trauma. Revisiting them especially in a heightened, dramatized form...can reopen wounds that never fully healed. It can trigger memories they have spent years trying to contain. And all of this happens in service of a narrative payoff that ultimately belongs to the film, not to them.

So my discomfort is not about Aditya Dhar as a filmmaker having a point of view. Cinema has always carried perspective, and it always will. The discomfort lies in how that perspective is delivered.

When real suffering becomes a tool to amplify fiction, when grief becomes a shortcut to intensity, when a national tragedy is used to steer emotion in a predetermined direction..it raises an uncomfortable but necessary question:

At what point does storytelling stop being expression and start becoming exploitation? At what point does “poetic cinematic justice” become a polished way of packaging someone else’s suffering for dramatic effect?




I’m genuinely happy for the entire cast and crew specially Ranveer, Akshay Khanna and Rakesh Bedi for the kind of response the film is receiving. Any piece of cinema finding connection with people is, in itself, something to acknowledge.

But at the same time, I find myself conflicted.

Because I’m not entirely sure what exactly the audience is responding to.Is it the storytelling? the craft, the writing, the performances, the way the narrative is built and earned?

Or is it the emotional weight of what the film draws from,the real trauma, the collective memory, the pain,the anger that already exists in people? Time will tell.

This is not just about this one film for me. It’s something I find myself grappling with across many political or patriotic films.So I hope noone tells me that "ohh this movie did that" as two wrongs doesn't make one of them right.


And please if anyone has to say anything to me on this subject tell me....i would love to listen to different pov...

First of all thanks for acknowledging that 26/11 and the trauma, shock, anger, grief, fear associated with it is real..some people would refute that too in calling this film a propaganda.

Regarding ur point about the emotions attached with it..effect on people who were directly affected by it..they have come out n spoken about it..it was cathartic for them. Arjun Rampal is n example but then he is part of the crew. But there r more examples.

About whether the film exploits those emotions..I would say its processing of emotions. This is like n uncomfortable truth. Cant brush it under the carpet for long..eventually it comes out. U don’t avoid speaking the truth just coz u feel someone may not be able to take it well. I don’t know how is this exploitation.

Young minds driven to terrorism can be called exploitation..coz they r ruining their own life and many other lives. They could do so much good with God given beautiful life instead.

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Posted: 1 months ago
#34

Originally posted by: naaznin


Characters in movie r based on real life ppl. Movie is based on Aditya Raj kaul's research. Hamza is not one person but many RAW agents who r working since formation of RAW. Reportedly football scene really happened n body was cut into pieces. They were gangsters so it's not a Big deal for them. Jameel jamali is Altaf Hussain a Pakistani politician who was alleged to be RAW agent n had one daughter. Pinda is rinda aka Harwinder Singh Sandhu.

Only timeline is distorted n real PM was shown n many other things like "hamarey log jeetenge" terms were used. This is mockery of democracy.

Ok so why did u call it fake narrative? Baloch’s timeline matches. Major Iqbal’s look matches the person u mentioned..rest of the story doesn’t…his father, his daughter, father’s past..is anything verified? If not..its not the same person.

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Posted: 1 months ago
#35

Main hoona

Pathaan

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Posted: 1 months ago
#36

When I paused to notice..even Chak de India and Sitaare Zameen Par felt like propaganda

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Posted: 1 months ago
#37

Originally posted by: DobbyDeol

Meh. All movies are propaganda. Always have been. People only notice when they disagree.

Oh your reply is perfect for all the crybabies, I had to write two essays and you made the point in two lines.,.

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Posted: 1 months ago
#38

Originally posted by: Kyahikahoon

What doesn’t work for u may work for someone else..#just saying

Unless u r specifically employed for certifying the labels for all movies

Originally posted by: Kyahikahoon

The people who call Trump a Madman and bestow him with multiple labels/tags..call him evil…they r so quick to believe his words when it comes to India and Modi. Right now every single word he utters against India would be nothing but the truth.

But incidentally they were cursing him when he went around calling Modi his best friend.
#dailyexposeofhypocrisy

An interpretation of my writings teinted by the bias against me. smiley36

bold = ridiculous reaction

bold = hollow words

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Posted: 1 months ago
#39

Originally posted by: Chiillii

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There is no whataboutism in my answer. I am simply calling out hypocrisy of people who are who are criticising a movie makers freedom of expression because it doesn't match their ideologies.

The concern of the member you replied to wasn't hypocrite in any way, neither did that member criticise "a movie makers freedom of expression", especially n o t "because it doesn't match their ideologies". It is a quite harsh reaction which makes me think that it probably comes from what you accuses the member: "because it doesn't match" your own ideology?

Although, personally, the Dhurandhar movies are 'beyond propaganda' in my opinion, I can understand the discomfort someone expresses relative to the evocation of certain feelings by mixing lived traumas with narrative fiction. When one looks up the definition of "what are signs of a propaganda movie?", evoking emotions into a wished direction belongs to that... but then, movies in general try to do that... so, there must be other, additional, 'ingredients' one has to look at...and that's where a serious discussion should start - with precise examples cited from the movie.

However, I doubt, that a serious discussion is possible with members whose mindset is characterized by the use of demeaning expressions instead of founded counter-arguments...

Edited by Clochette - 1 months ago
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Posted: 1 months ago
#40

Originally posted by: Kyahikahoon

Ok so why did u call it fake narrative? Baloch’s timeline matches. Major Iqbal’s look matches the person u mentioned..rest of the story doesn’t…his father, his daughter, father’s past..is anything verified? If not..its not the same person.

SP aslam, major iqbal , Rahman baloch died during Manmohan Singh's era. But movies shows death after 2014 crediting for nothing they done.

Propoganda is not showing ISI agents as evil or showing Pakistan in bad light but propoganda is showing opposition as anti national n current government as only one caring for nation.

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