Why showing woman weak? - Page 3

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

I do travel by auto, sometimes an uber and sometimes from the stand or a run on auto. My first preference is an auto from stand or run on. I book an auto or cab if I don't find it otherwise. I don't find it odd if Katha is trying to get an auto on run. In last episode, she could not get a cab as her mobile signal was weak and battery got dead. And that was not any city I think.

Lonavala trip was not planned one. It was sudden and unexpected. and they thought of a day trip and they had to take a halt due to car break down. I forget many times to take a jacket or socks or gloves even when I plan the trip a week ahead. So I don't find it odd that she did not have a coat. What Viaan did was the most natural reaction anyone should have done in that situation.

Many times it happened that I took my power bank, but forgot to take the cable. Even many times I called home from the hotel reception or some colleague's phone to inform that I reached safe. It is very common in real world also.

Most importantly, what is the definition of a strong and independent woman? Does it mean you have to be super woman if you want to be strong and independent?

Does it mean taking help from someone will make you less strong and less independent?

After all a woman is also a human being, and humans are bound to fall weak and vulnerable at times and there is no harm to take help from someone. Mango can write on that I think

PS: Katha as an FL has many other flaws and so is the story line and execution. But I will forget those flaws as the show is being aired on ITV in Indian sub continent and they are far relatable than other shows being aired on any of the ITV channels

that is a great question -- before I define, I will share a story. this aunty I know was once sharing her arranged marriage market story. she and her sisters were deemed too strong and independent and hence not marriage worthy. when a relative told her this in scorn, she pushed back and said, "excuse me, why do you think me and my sisters are strong. I lost my father when I was 5. my mother was given his job at the bank. so we had to go to school on our own. we had to go to college on our own. if you as a uncle had given us a ride, we would have taken it. but no one offered. this means, we had to go on the bus by ourselves. we had to do everything ourselves. then why do you decry us for being strong and indepedent?"

my point of the story I shared -- it isn't a character trait but often the storms that we go through that define us. our strength and independence is a result of storms. it can be good or bad depending on what we do with it.

so how do I define these words:

independent means you are capable of making your own choice. it does not mean you don't take advice of others or lean on others and pick their brains. it does not mean you are alone and have to climb every mountain alone. it does not mean that you are unwilling to take orders or that you won't make a good subordinate. it does not mean that you don't want to have a family or be part of a team. it just means that you are capable of your own thoughts and convictions and will stand by them.

strong means that you can survive a storm. it does not mean that you don't cry -- you can cry buckets. it does not mean that you don't get scared -- you can get scared of all sorts of all things. it does not mean a certain personality type only -- you can be soft, gentle and passive person and still be super strong. basically strong women are those who go through all sorts of storms and still get to the other side holding themselves without crumbling. there is inner steel and grace, a lack of bitterness and knowledge that life is tough.

strong and indepedent does not mean you cannot take help. if you are too proud to admit that you need help, that is called arrogance. if you are too proud to lean on someone, then you will end up alone. if you are too proud to show your weakness, that only makes you isolated.if you are too proud to show your vulnerabilities, you cannot connect to other people.

You give respect to someone, they will give respect to you. that does not make us less strong or less independent. it just makes us connected to our neighbourhood.

Originally posted by: vrrm

Your observations are very good...and i agree to all of them.. Some people say they are fed up of Kathas outfits..but to me that is the most realistic thing in the serial..She is struggling but must have bought some good work clothes prior to joining and she keep repeating them . That is very realistic, also Vian not giving big bashans on the goondas instead just showing his anger was one of the best moment....Also the way Viaan handed over the coat and said I insist is the most natural way i have seen a ML helping a FL..To whoever criticise Katha for not carrying a coat please remember they were supposed to travel early in the morning reach the site by late morning and return in the afternoon.. Sometimes even after much planning i forget to take my kids' coats ...I have a request to all those people finding fault in every small scene...Over criticism will destroy the show...let us be happy we have a very different show without usual saas Bahu drama..here the saas is the most classy and i love how she makes her husband bend to her demands. Let us enjoy the budding proximity of the protagonists and hope for a great show..It has just started .give them time to develop the story....

This is not over criticism. I am talking about very basic need which every human take care of it.

What they are showing is fake feminism when Katha has to argue and saying she doesn't need a man to protect woman. Instead show real feminism how she doesn't need man on small things when tech are available these days.

The original show is some years back. In the last 5-10 years, things are changed dramatically. I have a problem with the showing old ways of love story which is not very valid these days. Women have become strong by thinking smart rather than physically strong.

Agree critizing on Katha clothes is over and I don't agree with those people. This show Katha was financially drained because of her son's illness.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

as someone who takes autos regularly, I would disagree. I have two auto stands near my apartment and I have regular auto drivers that I can call. I don't use ola because I prefer to go with known guys and so I prefer the stand fellows or my regulars. because I have a fixed routine, I don't even need to give directions or bargain. the moment they see me, they wave and drive to our apartment gate. I get in and go. or I call one of my regulars (from our old apartment atuo stand) and they do pick and drop to wherever we are going. if neither options are available, I just take auto on the run and no, I don't have any problems.

maybe you are in some newer part of a city where there are no autos or you don't take autos regularly. then you have such problem. but otherwise, you can get autos on the run or definitely in the stand. and people are still using them without ola/uber.

Contrary to Bigger cities, small cities have more auto stand where they are not using ola/uber. In bigger cities apart from railway station, bus stop, mall or supermarket the autos are not available. Especially night time. If you planning other than these stop or somewhere unfamiliar road at night time then you have to act more smart.

Battery drain, mobile network not available within cities are very lame excuse . Moreover Katha is not 21 year girl who just comes out of parent comfort zone and learning about the world. Someone who is 30+ and handling herself, kids and working as real estate broker doesn't know how to survive late night roads is stupid. What more stupid is she can claim that all these year she handled very well and doesn't need anyone.

Originally posted by: Neutral2

Contrary to Bigger cities, small cities have more auto stand where they are not using ola/uber. In bigger cities apart from railway station, bus stop, mall or supermarket the autos are not available. Especially night time. If you planning other than these stop or somewhere unfamiliar road at night time then you have to act more smart.

Battery drain, mobile network not available within cities are very lame excuse . Moreover Katha is not 21 year girl who just comes out of parent comfort zone and learning about the world. Someone who is 30+ and handling herself, kids and working as real estate broker doesn't know how to survive late night roads is stupid. What more stupid is she can claim that all these year she handled very well and doesn't need anyone.

I live in a metro. autos are available everywhere. 🤷

to be honest, I don't understand your irritation here. if you are talking about those idiot FLs who are in college who go to a party and can't figure out how to get home, I can understand your point.

here, katha is a working woman who is on office trip. that means you travel together and come back together. sometimes, during travel, car can break down, bus can have problem, trains can run late, flights can get cancelled. that is all part and parcel of travel. if you are a cheerful personality, you think of them as adventures. if you are khadooos, you can complain about it. 🤷🤷

I will make my point clear here.

1) I am not raising complaints against woman, instead to serial maker why they have to show woman can't take care of small things.

2) Every people are different. Some people are forgetful, some are lazy, some are socially smart and doesn't hesitate to take help. Katha is shown to not ask for help from anyone until situation is extreme. She claimed how all those year, she managed to survive without asking help. Then show like this how she is handling in smart way rather than depending upon small things.

3) Katha's attitude comes from her independent nature rather than feminazi thought. She is over hard-working for 2 years to collect money, doing 2-3 jobs like real estate broker and taking up independent project, directly dealing with clients sometimes. She is not naive girl who come just out of comfort zone. She always prepared for things. Showing this kind of things is out of her character.

4) Forgetting jacket is lame excuse. Why Viaan carry coat for field trip? Why he didn't forget to carry. If Viaan is shown wearing coat everywhere (which no businessman do this nowadays) then it has shown Katha also prepared for things like this (wearing coat at office party and dealing with Dubai client).

5) I am saying this type of things are very old. It is a 10 year old love story. Targeted audience are change from homemaker woman to working woman. Things are changed. Showing this again and again is wrong portrayal of woman. Why woman need jacket from a random guy unless he is her boyfriend. Is this really happen nowadays? They can still show Viaan overprotective nature without showing how woman lack in these thing.

Originally posted by: Neutral2

I will make my point clear here.

1) I am not raising complaints against woman, instead to serial maker why they have to show woman can't take care of small things.

2) Every people are different. Some people are forgetful, some are lazy, some are socially smart and doesn't hesitate to take help. Katha is shown to not ask for help from anyone until situation is extreme. She claimed how all those year, she managed to survive without asking help. Then show like this how she is handling in smart way rather than depending upon small things.

3) Katha's attitude comes from her independent nature rather than feminazi thought. She is over hard-working for 2 years to collect money, doing 2-3 jobs like real estate broker and taking up independent project, directly dealing with clients sometimes. She is not naive girl who come just out of comfort zone. She always prepared for things. Showing this kind of things is out of her character.

4) Forgetting jacket is lame excuse. Why Viaan carry coat for field trip? Why he didn't forget to carry. If Viaan is shown wearing coat everywhere (which no businessman do this nowadays) then it has shown Katha also prepared for things like this (wearing coat at office party and dealing with Dubai client).

5) I am saying this type of things are very old. It is a 10 year old love story. Targeted audience are change from homemaker woman to working woman. Things are changed. Showing this again and again is wrong portrayal of woman. Why woman need jacket from a random guy unless he is her boyfriend. Is this really happen nowadays? They can still show Viaan overprotective nature without showing how woman lack in these thing.

again, I am not sure I understand why you are irritated. there are lots of things annoying about katha but not what you mention.

so #1) women not taking care of small things? we are human. whether you are a man or woman, we can't do it all. not being able to do it all is actually a gift. that allows us to be part of a family, a team, a friendship circle, a neighbourhood -- it allows people with different skills and talents to co-exist. so there is no man or woman who should have to do it all. that is a lonely existence and actually sad when that happens.

as for points 2-4, the point of those scenes is to show that the equation between katha and viaan is slowly changing tha she feels comfortable with him, is slowly trusting him and allowing herself to lean on him at times whether she is aware or not. taking a jacket is not a sign of stupidity or not being prepared -- it just shows that she is okay wearing his jacket. it is a kind of intimacy. if you are into the couple, you would think the episode sweet. if you are so-so, you would find some of the stuff absurdly funny.

Look at the scene as a part of story. As Mango pointed out, last 3-4 episodes shows how the dynamics between these two characters are changing. And that is required for the story progression.

Other than what points you have marked as flaws of Katha and story telling, I have an entire list of flaws in characters and storyline. When we look at the show as a package and its execution, you will tend to forget those flaws and move ahead with story

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

I live in a metro. autos are available everywhere. 🤷

to be honest, I don't understand your irritation here. if you are talking about those idiot FLs who are in college who go to a party and can't figure out how to get home, I can understand your point.

here, katha is a working woman who is on office trip. that means you travel together and come back together. sometimes, during travel, car can break down, bus can have problem, trains can run late, flights can get cancelled. that is all part and parcel of travel. if you are a cheerful personality, you think of them as adventures. if you are khadooos, you can complain about it. 🤷🤷

Please refrain from making an opinion about me. You can't judge me just reading some topic. Making a practical point doesn't come under irritation.

Sorry for speaking rude language, I will consider you foolish rather than adventurous if you walking alone an unfamiliar road which look empty to search for an auto late night. If it is day then it is OK. If you are with your friends then ok.

Why nobody is with Katha when she went to singer. Tell me is it happen in reality where woman has to travel alone for office function.

I also live in metro city. Nirbhaya kand happen in delhi. And it is a big alarm for all the woman to handle their safety first. Still things happen because criminals are becoming smart (using different tactics to trap innocent woman) But woman also take simple precautions theses days.

Originally posted by: Neutral2

Please refrain from making an opinion about me. You can't judge me just reading some topic. Making a practical point doesn't come under irritation.

Sorry for speaking rude language, I will consider you foolish rather than adventurous if you walking alone an unfamiliar road which look empty to search for an auto late night. If it is day then it is OK. If you are with your friends then ok.

Why nobody is with Katha when she went to singer. Tell me is it happen in reality where woman has to travel alone for office function.

I also live in metro city. Nirbhaya kand happen in delhi. And it is a big alarm for all the woman to handle their safety first. Still things happen because criminals are becoming smart (using different tactics to trap innocent woman) But woman also take simple precautions theses days.

I wasn't making a personal opinion of you or a judgement. I have friends who think of car breaking down on the highway as adventures. the entire story is relayed with so much laughter. then there are those who relate those same type of incidents with irritation. it all depends on the personality and one's approach to life. that was my point. 🤷

as for katha traveling to the singer's office and doing everything in office -- the makers are insistent on showing her as superwoman. first, 50th anniversary won't be organized by some lead project manager. instead, they will hire event manager and videographer to make the AV. if company does not have money, then it will be a secretary like jenny organizing the details -- not katha. that itself is illogical.

another absurdity is the makers showing her designing every single project. architecture firms are a team. there will be junior architects who take one part of the project and so on. you don't have just one architect designing every project. why is she doing everything? that also makes no sense.

like letha mentioned, we can make a list of illogical stuff in this drama and characters.

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

Look at the scene as a part of story. As Mango pointed out, last 3-4 episodes shows how the dynamics between these two characters are changing. And that is required for the story progression.

Other than what points you have marked as flaws of Katha and story telling, I have an entire list of flaws in characters and storyline. When we look at the show as a package and its execution, you will tend to forget those flaws and move ahead with story

Story is progressing by changing their character traits. Katha become from high moral woman to feminazi thought of person. Viaan suddenly start saying sorry to each and every person he is encountering. I am having no problem in car broke down in office trip, kid lost from school. Even I liked their high five. Things are getting normal between them. Katha is also getting impressed by Viaan dancing and his charitable nature. This all are ok. But then they have to show how heroine always get into trouble even if it is normal situation like not carrying her own jacket in lonavala trip. This type of things are old romance. The show is showing woman always need man to protect and comfort her.