Why showing woman weak? - Page 4

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

I wasn't making a personal opinion of you or a judgement. I have friends who think of car breaking down on the highway as adventures. the entire story is relayed with so much laughter. then there are those who relate those same type of incidents with irritation. it all depends on the personality and one's approach to life. that was my point. 🤷

as for katha traveling to the singer's office and doing everything in office -- the makers are insistent on showing her as superwoman. first, 50th anniversary won't be organized by some lead project manager. instead, they will hire event manager and videographer to make the AV. if company does not have money, then it will be a secretary like jenny organizing the details -- not katha. that itself is illogical.

another absurdity is the makers showing her designing every single project. architecture firms are a team. there will be junior architects who take one part of the project and so on. you don't have just one architect designing every project. why is she doing everything? that also makes no sense.

like letha mentioned, we can make a list of illogical stuff in this drama and characters.

Raising a complaint doesn't equate with irritation. I can be cheerful person but also responsible enough to raise complaint or spread information for awareness.

How person is feeling is still a judgement. You can judge a person from expression but not offline.

And this is how debate become personal.

I see a list of illogical things in other serial forum. We can discuss about that in other thread. Like I don't feel Katha is shown superhuman. For me she is all rounder and perfectionist. I have seen many people like Katha.

Regarding adventure, I have a different philosophy. If people come out safely, surely it is an adventure. If not (someone tries to robbed them) then it is scary. I have seen a very enthusiastic person saying how scary was when his car broke down in highway. And he was telling this with laugh. But what he was making a point that it was not safe. That's a very practical point.

My only concern here is first they show Katha has enough experience of handling alone (which she also claimed) but doing some stupid stuff here just to make story progress or make Viaan hero.

My topic is why the serial is showing woman weak in normal scenario?

Originally posted by: Neutral2

Raising a complaint doesn't equate with irritation. I can be cheerful person but also responsible enough to raise complaint or spread information for awareness.

How person is feeling is still a judgement. You can judge a person from expression but not offline.

And this is how debate become personal.

I see a list of illogical things in other serial forum. We can discuss about that in other thread. Like I don't feel Katha is shown superhuman. For me she is all rounder and perfectionist. I have seen many people like Katha.

Regarding adventure, I have a different philosophy. If people come out safely, surely it is an adventure. If not (someone tries to robbed them) then it is scary. I have seen a very enthusiastic person saying how scary was when his car broke down in highway. And he was telling this with laugh. But what he was making a point that it was not safe. That's a very practical point.

My only concern here is first they show Katha has enough experience of handling alone (which she also claimed) but doing some stupid stuff here just to make story progress or make Viaan hero.

My topic is why the serial is showing woman weak in normal scenario?

I would say then that there is a mismatch between your intent and how you are communicating in your posts/thread. I am all for awareness on safety but that is not how your post came across. to be honest, all I got from your post/thread was that you were irritated at something but it wasn't clear to me what you were finding annoying. that is one reason I kept asking, what are you irritated about here.

my feedback would be that if you are trying to raise awareness on a serious topic and have a conversation about it, then it needs to be worded in a certain way.

also, there is nothing wrong with saying that a certain arc or character sketch is not working for you -- but it is important how you word it and structure your sentences if you want a fun discussion. tone is very important because none of us know each other especially online. so it can be easy to misunderstand and just think you are irritated.

knowing how to raise a complaint in constructive manner is a really good life skill to have and actually difficult especially online. if you feel that people are misunderstanding what you are posting, it would be good for you to try to figure how you can communicate better so that your intent isn't lost.

again, this isn't a judgement but I am just passing on advice/feedback from a positive place. upto you, how you take it.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

I would say then that there is a mismatch between your intent and how you are communicating in your posts/thread. I am all for awareness on safety but that is not how your post came across. to be honest, all I got from your post/thread was that you were irritated at something but it wasn't clear to me what you were finding annoying. that is one reason I kept asking, what are you irritated about here.

my feedback would be that if you are trying to raise awareness on a serious topic and have a conversation about it, then it needs to be worded in a certain way.

also, there is nothing wrong with saying that a certain arc or character sketch is not working for you -- but it is important how you word it and structure your sentences if you want a fun discussion. tone is very important because none of us know each other especially online. so it can be easy to misunderstand and just think you are irritated.

knowing how to raise a complaint in constructive manner is a really good life skill to have and actually difficult especially online. if you feel that people are misunderstanding what you are posting, it would be good for you to try to figure how you can communicate better so that your intent isn't lost.

again, this isn't a judgement but I am just passing on advice/feedback from a positive place. upto you, how you take it.

I have described enough with my various post about what is my concern. If you are not able to understand then it is OK. Just don't attack person with why are u irritated. I can also use tough word but the result will be the post will get close.

A piece of advice from my side, don't discuss about my intention or feelings. Discussion should be limited to character and makers. Whether I am irritated or happy in none of your business.

If you are irritated with my post, you can choose to avoid.

@bold, same for you.

Originally posted by: Neutral2

I have described enough with my various post about what is my concern. If you are not able to understand then it is OK. Just don't attack person with why are u irritated. I can also use tough word but the result will be the post will get close.

A piece of advice from my side, don't discuss about my intention or feelings. Discussion should be limited to character and makers. Whether I am irritated or happy in none of your business.

If you are irritated with my post, you can choose to avoid.

@bold, same for you.

part of my job has always involved writing. one of the first things you do when you start writing is you ask what is your intent -- that means what you are trying to convey and who are you trying to convey to. that is an important element of how you prepare the outline before you start writing.

for example, if your intent is to inform (pure news), then your context as well as your vocabulary has to align a certain way. if your intent is to entertain (page 6 type gossip writing), then the same info will be written in a different manner. so the same info can be packaged in different ways depending on how you write. that is what is meant by tone and intent when it comes to writing.

also, there is an element of emotion that comes across in writing. am not sure why you feel me asking you why you were irritated is attacking. for me, being irritated is neither negative or positive. I was simply trying to understand what your post was about. thats all. I had no other reaction to your post other than curiousity. anyways, we will close this discussion.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

part of my job has always involved writing. one of the first things you do when you start writing is you ask what is your intent -- that means what you are trying to convey and who are you trying to convey to. that is an important element of how you prepare the outline before you start writing.

for example, if your intent is to inform (pure news), then your context as well as your vocabulary has to align a certain way. if your intent is to entertain (page 6 type gossip writing), then the same info will be written in a different manner. so the same info can be packaged in different ways depending on how you write. that is what is meant by tone and intent when it comes to writing.

also, there is an element of emotion that comes across in writing. am not sure why you feel me asking you why you were irritated is attacking. for me, being irritated is neither negative or positive. I was simply trying to understand what your post was about. thats all. I had no other reaction to your post other than curiousity. anyways, we will close this discussion.

There is a joke for you :-

Santa :- R u irritated?

Banta :- No

Santa :- R u irritated?

Banta :- No

Santa :- R u irritated?

Banta :- No

Santa :- R u irritated?

Banta :- yes I am irritated.

Santa :- Then why did you say no for the first time I asked.

I never mentioned what I am feeling. You come with word like irritation. And irritation is definitely not a positive word. This is judgement but you refuse to agree that also.

I can use dumb, foolish for your opinion and say it is not wrong word. That's where attack start and moderator closes this kind of discussion.

If you are ready to not speak about me then we can close the discussion. To be honest you should use better word like what is your intent or what is your concern. Just like you said tone is important.

Originally posted by: Neutral2

There is a joke for you :-

Santa :- R u irritated?

Banta :- No

Santa :- R u irritated?

Banta :- No

Santa :- R u irritated?

Banta :- No

Santa :- R u irritated?

Banta :- yes I am irritated.

Santa :- Then why did you say no for the first time I asked.

I never mentioned what I am feeling. You come with word like irritation. And irritation is definitely not a positive word. This is judgement but you refuse to agree that also.

I can use dumb, foolish for your opinion and say it is not wrong word. That's where attack start and moderator closes this kind of discussion.

If you are ready to not speak about me then we can close the discussion. To be honest you should use better word like what is your intent or what is your concern. Just like you said tone is important.

hmmm. to be honest, I never thought of the question "are you irritated?" as a negative because it is always asked by my friends and family as a conversation starter. we don't take it personally and instead start drilling down to what is bothering us or what we are trying to communicate. but I will keep it in mind that not everyone sees that phrase the same way.

Originally posted by: Neutral2

I don't like the old way of showing love story of between ML and FL. Woman is in distress and Man become savior.

1) In today's world, everybody can book cab online but the serial has to show that FL wandering unknown place in search of auto and get into trouble. Even if woman can't be strong physically unless prepared but they can protect themselves by handling smartly. If Katha is handling this for so many years, she must know this. But for showing herogiri of ML, they have to show FL dumb.

2) They are going to Lonavala which is cold place and Katha didn't carry her jacket. Wow. So that they have to show cringey way of showing herogiri.

Can't they make love story of really strong and independent woman?

1) People are not always going to make the right decision and be prepared and that includes women. In an incident a while back a women who was highly educated and had a good job (think it was a lawyer) decided to walk home at late at night instead of calling a cab. She thought it’s her right to be able to walk and be safe at night. She was attacked and never made it. Had she taken cab she would be here. It just daft for anyone to walk at night alone whether it female or male cause it just dangerous in the dark and easy to get away with things. Some of us chance it thinking it won’t happen to me.

2) They only intended to go for a day. Also women in general feel the cold more.

These issue don’t bother me, than Katha be made to look like superwoman who can complete and fix everything. At least it show Katha is normal and doesn’t think straight or is as well prepared sometimes.

The notion that anyone can be strong all the time is dumb, we have flaws. They even show Viaan having issues and Katha responding to that so it’s not all one sided in who is weak.

I think a really strong independent woman probably wouldn’t need a man in her life at all so that is flop love story.

Originally posted by: vrrm

Your observations are very good...and i agree to all of them.. Some people say they are fed up of Kathas outfits..but to me that is the most realistic thing in the serial..She is struggling but must have bought some good work clothes prior to joining and she keep repeating them . That is very realistic, also Vian not giving big bashans on the goondas instead just showing his anger was one of the best moment....Also the way Viaan handed over the coat and said I insist is the most natural way i have seen a ML helping a FL..To whoever criticise Katha for not carrying a coat please remember they were supposed to travel early in the morning reach the site by late morning and return in the afternoon.. Sometimes even after much planning i forget to take my kids' coats ...I have a request to all those people finding fault in every small scene...Over criticism will destroy the show...let us be happy we have a very different show without usual saas Bahu drama..here the saas is the most classy and i love how she makes her husband bend to her demands. Let us enjoy the budding proximity of the protagonists and hope for a great show..It has just started .give them time to develop the story....

Well said.👏

Originally posted by: angelic2005

1) People are not always going to make the right decision and be prepared and that includes women. In an incident a while back a women who was highly educated and had a good job (think it was a lawyer) decided to walk home at late at night instead of calling a cab. She thought it’s her right to be able to walk and be safe at night. She was attacked and never made it. Had she taken cab she would be here. It just daft for anyone to walk at night alone whether it female or male cause it just dangerous in the dark and easy to get away with things. Some of us chance it thinking it won’t happen to me.

2) They only intended to go for a day. Also women in general feel the cold more.

These issue don’t bother me, than Katha be made to look like superwoman who can complete and fix everything. At least it show Katha is normal and doesn’t think straight or is as well prepared sometimes.

The notion that anyone can be strong all the time is dumb, we have flaws. They even show Viaan having issues and Katha responding to that so it’s not all one sided in who is weak.

I think a really strong independent woman probably wouldn’t need a man in her life at all so that is flop love story.

1. I agree with that. People do mistake thinking they are strong enough to handle but misfortune can happen anytime. This is where people lost their self-dependency kind of ego and understand all people has to support each other. But it seems like Katha never understood this and next day she bluntly speak on how she doesn't need any man to support her. I used to admire her character because I am close to this, having proud of not taking help, self reliant on everything and quite independent. There is kind of arrogance or enthusiasm to have this way of life where I don't need anyone and people need me. I have seen people like this also. But we work for that. We take care of smallest thing to maintain this ego. I rely more on Google map just not to ask for help. Only extreme situation we ask for help.

2. Do self reliant people not fall in love. No They did. What attract more is smartness of other people which is opposite of their nature. Katha's case is different where she has good memories of her husband. But tough time makes her more self-reliant. I have heard of real story, where a man was bright, topper (software developer) of office and kind of having high self respect. He has a high fever but came to office to get his work done. A girl (tester) who likes him offer help but he refused. Later the boy only proposed her. For love it doesn't matter if someone is bright and other is just average. This is what I am expecting in this show. Because the first episode show how strong and self-respected girl she is but situation lead her to compromising state.

Originally posted by: vrrm

Your observations are very good...and i agree to all of them.. Some people say they are fed up of Kathas outfits..but to me that is the most realistic thing in the serial..She is struggling but must have bought some good work clothes prior to joining and she keep repeating them . That is very realistic, also Vian not giving big bashans on the goondas instead just showing his anger was one of the best moment....Also the way Viaan handed over the coat and said I insist is the most natural way i have seen a ML helping a FL..To whoever criticise Katha for not carrying a coat please remember they were supposed to travel early in the morning reach the site by late morning and return in the afternoon.. Sometimes even after much planning i forget to take my kids' coats ...I have a request to all those people finding fault in every small scene...Over criticism will destroy the show...let us be happy we have a very different show without usual saas Bahu drama..here the saas is the most classy and i love how she makes her husband bend to her demands. Let us enjoy the budding proximity of the protagonists and hope for a great show..It has just started .give them time to develop the story....

@ Bold: Oh man you mentioned saas bahu and I got this eerie feeling that they'll do that to extend the show between Katha and Teji. She already doesn't like Katha thanks to the anniversary video and now Reet filling her ears will just hurt their relationship more.

I sincerely hope Sony doesn't extend the show and just lets it run its course properly.