Why showing woman weak? - Page 5

Originally posted by: Neutral2

1. I agree with that. People do mistake thinking they are strong enough to handle but misfortune can happen anytime. This is where people lost their self-dependency kind of ego and understand all people has to support each other. But it seems like Katha never understood this and next day she bluntly speak on how she doesn't need any man to support her. I used to admire her character because I am close to this, having proud of not taking help, self reliant on everything and quite independent. There is kind of arrogance or enthusiasm to have this way of life where I don't need anyone and people need me. I have seen people like this also. But we work for that. We take care of smallest thing to maintain this ego. I rely more on Google map just not to ask for help. Only extreme situation we ask for help.

2. Do self reliant people not fall in love. No They did. What attract more is smartness of other people which is opposite of their nature. Katha's case is different where she has good memories of her husband. But tough time makes her more self-reliant. I have heard of real story, where a man was bright, topper (software developer) of office and kind of having high self respect. He has a high fever but came to office to get his work done. A girl (tester) who likes him offer help but he refused. Later the boy only proposed her. For love it doesn't matter if someone is bright and other is just average. This is what I am expecting in this show. Because the first episode show how strong and self-respected girl she is but situation lead her to compromising state.

It depends on personality and if they have the time for it. I know of some but it was arranged marriage set up.

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

I do travel by auto, sometimes an uber and sometimes from the stand or a run on auto. My first preference is an auto from stand or run on. I book an auto or cab if I don't find it otherwise. I don't find it odd if Katha is trying to get an auto on run. In last episode, she could not get a cab as her mobile signal was weak and battery got dead. And that was not any city I think.

Lonavala trip was not planned one. It was sudden and unexpected. and they thought of a day trip and they had to take a halt due to car break down. I forget many times to take a jacket or socks or gloves even when I plan the trip a week ahead. So I don't find it odd that she did not have a coat. What Viaan did was the most natural reaction anyone should have done in that situation.

Many times it happened that I took my power bank, but forgot to take the cable. Even many times I called home from the hotel reception or some colleague's phone to inform that I reached safe. It is very common in real world also.

Most importantly, what is the definition of a strong and independent woman? Does it mean you have to be super woman if you want to be strong and independent?

Does it mean taking help from someone will make you less strong and less independent?

After all a woman is also a human being, and humans are bound to fall weak and vulnerable at times and there is no harm to take help from someone. Mango can write on that I think

PS: Katha as an FL has many other flaws and so is the story line and execution. But I will forget those flaws as the show is being aired on ITV in Indian sub continent and they are far relatable than other shows being aired on any of the ITV channels

@ Bold: This especially I agree with. The show has its moments of flaws, but they are small moments and easily ignorable. The story works because it is has real characters, real settings, and they aren't all just sitting at home all the time with money coming in (like other ITV shows).

Originally posted by: angelic2005

It depends on personality and if they have the time for it. I know of some but it was arranged marriage set up.

100% agree. Even if there is love marriage, it is more for practical reason like age is now 30+, bored with alone, find someone beautiful/handsome with some common background in matrimonial sites, desperation of sex, jealous of seeing friends with their partner. If someone propose and he/she a good person then why not.

Reading the theme/summary of original series, I thought it will be like this here also. In there Viaan constantly proposing her, befriended with kids and do some stuff like building charitable hospital to impress her. For Katha it was like give up, chalo yar itna request kar rha h to kar lete h.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

that is a great question -- before I define, I will share a story. this aunty I know was once sharing her arranged marriage market story. she and her sisters were deemed too strong and independent and hence not marriage worthy. when a relative told her this in scorn, she pushed back and said, "excuse me, why do you think me and my sisters are strong. I lost my father when I was 5. my mother was given his job at the bank. so we had to go to school on our own. we had to go to college on our own. if you as a uncle had given us a ride, we would have taken it. but no one offered. this means, we had to go on the bus by ourselves. we had to do everything ourselves. then why do you decry us for being strong and indepedent?"

my point of the story I shared -- it isn't a character trait but often the storms that we go through that define us. our strength and independence is a result of storms. it can be good or bad depending on what we do with it.

so how do I define these words:

independent means you are capable of making your own choice. it does not mean you don't take advice of others or lean on others and pick their brains. it does not mean you are alone and have to climb every mountain alone. it does not mean that you are unwilling to take orders or that you won't make a good subordinate. it does not mean that you don't want to have a family or be part of a team. it just means that you are capable of your own thoughts and convictions and will stand by them.

strong means that you can survive a storm. it does not mean that you don't cry -- you can cry buckets. it does not mean that you don't get scared -- you can get scared of all sorts of all things. it does not mean a certain personality type only -- you can be soft, gentle and passive person and still be super strong. basically strong women are those who go through all sorts of storms and still get to the other side holding themselves without crumbling. there is inner steel and grace, a lack of bitterness and knowledge that life is tough.

strong and indepedent does not mean you cannot take help. if you are too proud to admit that you need help, that is called arrogance. if you are too proud to lean on someone, then you will end up alone. if you are too proud to show your weakness, that only makes you isolated.if you are too proud to show your vulnerabilities, you cannot connect to other people.

You give respect to someone, they will give respect to you. that does not make us less strong or less independent. it just makes us connected to our neighbourhood.

M, I am so happy that I found you on IF🤣I am glad that I found someone who 'gets it' and explains so well.

I laughed when I read Letha's line ' Mango can write on that I think'....and write you did!😊as someone who has been through her fair share of storms, I can connect to what you have written. I won't add anything. I am just glad that there are people out there who think like me on certain matters😊

I think taking Viaan’s jacket is fine since it was supposed to be a day trip there was no reason to take one !

Atleast KA is better not atypical

Damsel in distress and knight carrying sword saving her

🤣🤣🤣

Common then how ITV will tell a love story !

I like today's episode and tomorrow's promo. The love story could be told in a way that she started enjoying the company of Viaan, not because she is not able to handle normal situation or need man for her protection.

Viaan helping Katha when aarav was mission is really an icebreaker for their relationship. But showing stereotypical way of she need man again and again is what I don't like.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

that is a great question -- before I define, I will share a story. this aunty I know was once sharing her arranged marriage market story. she and her sisters were deemed too strong and independent and hence not marriage worthy. when a relative told her this in scorn, she pushed back and said, "excuse me, why do you think me and my sisters are strong. I lost my father when I was 5. my mother was given his job at the bank. so we had to go to school on our own. we had to go to college on our own. if you as a uncle had given us a ride, we would have taken it. but no one offered. this means, we had to go on the bus by ourselves. we had to do everything ourselves. then why do you decry us for being strong and indepedent?"

my point of the story I shared -- it isn't a character trait but often the storms that we go through that define us. our strength and independence is a result of storms. it can be good or bad depending on what we do with it.

so how do I define these words:

independent means you are capable of making your own choice. it does not mean you don't take advice of others or lean on others and pick their brains. it does not mean you are alone and have to climb every mountain alone. it does not mean that you are unwilling to take orders or that you won't make a good subordinate. it does not mean that you don't want to have a family or be part of a team. it just means that you are capable of your own thoughts and convictions and will stand by them.

strong means that you can survive a storm. it does not mean that you don't cry -- you can cry buckets. it does not mean that you don't get scared -- you can get scared of all sorts of all things. it does not mean a certain personality type only -- you can be soft, gentle and passive person and still be super strong. basically strong women are those who go through all sorts of storms and still get to the other side holding themselves without crumbling. there is inner steel and grace, a lack of bitterness and knowledge that life is tough.

strong and indepedent does not mean you cannot take help. if you are too proud to admit that you need help, that is called arrogance. if you are too proud to lean on someone, then you will end up alone. if you are too proud to show your weakness, that only makes you isolated.if you are too proud to show your vulnerabilities, you cannot connect to other people.

You give respect to someone, they will give respect to you. that does not make us less strong or less independent. it just makes us connected to our neighbourhood.

Dear @Mango,

I love reading your views on topics.

So much conviction and clarity in your ideas and expression. Brilliant !!

I get to learn so much. Thankyou.

Please tag me when you write such essays. ❤️

appreciate all your compliments shalzie and ayndeep ❤️.

also, would add to the story that aunty and her sisters did get married, (the uncles are really nice as well), have children and grandchildren -- the whole happy works despite the scorn from that relative of theirs years ago.

so life as well as people and conversations have taught me what being strong and independent can mean and look like.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

appreciate all your compliments shalzie and ayndeep ❤️.

also, would add to the story that aunty and her sisters did get married, (the uncles are really nice as well), have children and grandchildren -- the whole happy works despite the scorn from that relative of theirs years ago.

so life as well as people and conversations have taught me what being strong and independent can mean and look like.

So glad to know this happy ending.

Btw, I saved your piece of writing so I can read it on my rough days and pick myself up ❤️ :')

This show is far better than others even when compared to logic in scene.

ITV shows are all FL are decked with colourful dresses (even though broke) and accessories, bgm, flying hair, slow motion and FL ready to suffer for anything and always and the famous eye lock romance . But they are all strong women with problem solving skills.

We have been seeing this for years and so feel like women are shown dumb