Virat : The Blindfold of Fear, Guilt, & Everything in Between Updated - Page 9

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Good to know that you are a technical writer. 👍🏼

Mix of everything tbh. 😅

But have written for variety of products and services. I keep hopping from industry to industry 😂

Hey!

Thank you. Hope you are feeling better. Wishing you a speedy recovery.

Yup been around for quite a while now, but never interacted before I guess. I have my phases, I zone out and then sometimes I engage too much 🤣

Don't get me wrong. I just tend to say things as they are to me. I just meant through your initial lines I felt it was more about someone giving excuses for V and his faults. But you proved me wrong, and I could read through the reasoning there. And hence I continued.

I have not seen KD myself, and whatever I know are credited to posts here. Hence, opinions are independent of KD. While with what I have read I do feel that they lost the essence of the OG while making the remake. Like they say "Nakal ke liye bhi akal chahiye".

Here I will just add on from "Lion" comparison. Will write on pure human version in a separate comment.

"And majorly the way Sai's character is developed and showed is because of market demand."

Will continue on this one too there as a comparison to the character.

You gave a different perspective to look the situations. One where i prefer to pick where you have 2 views is

Why did he tell Sai about Pakhi?

2 reasons -

They were forced in the marriage. Sai was beyond upset. To diffuse the situation, he says he already has someone else in his heart. So she needn't worry as his responsibility is only to help her become a doctor. But in this attempt, he gave her subconscious a scar.

How can a person whose own subconscious is hidden understand this pain? He obviously can't.

Second reason - the guilt of breaking his promise to Pakhi in order to fulfill the promise made to Kamal Joshi. This was the defensive approach.

I would go with latter. The reason being that V himself was not inclined towards this marriage even for the promise to KJ. He was fine to take on the responsibilities, but it never crossed his mind that it would mean marrying her. It was Usha primarily along with the others who proposed and forced it on him. Then the suicide attempt just triggered the "Vaada phobia" in him. He was nursing a broken heart and with KJ taking the bullet for him was another emotional blow. But he was always averse towards marrying Sai despite everyone trying to convince him on the same. It was the remnants of his lost love, and the promise to Pakhi that would stop him from being in any relationship. So while honouring KJ's promise he wanted to do right to his other promise to Pakhi and somewhere to himself. And he wanted Sai to agree to the marriage knowing the nature of the marriage and his feelings. Even in a deal marriage he wanted that transparency (which ironically he lacked later). I dont see it as an attempt to make her comfortable or agree to the marriage.

Thanks for sharing this. Was a very thought provoking read :-)

Take care

What a comparison 👏👏

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Originally posted by: sadiltl

If anyone here is from computer science background, there is an analogy for Sai and Virat in distributed systems.

When a server is a part of distributed system, where multiple servers are involved, the results from the servers are eventually consistent because it takes time to communicate between the servers and reach a consensus :). But if there is only one server running, it always gives the consistent results because it operates alone, no need to take other servers into consideration.

Sai is like hosting your service on a single server, Virat is like hosting the service on cloud (distributed system). 🤣

Sorry I dont know why I wrote this but I feel good that I found a good analogy in my field of work 👍🏼

Part - 1 (Conceptualisation)

I'll quote these lines from "The Shawshank Redemption" about prisoners in jail. One of my all time favourite movie after "Jerry Maguire"😍

"These walls are funny. First, you hate them and then you get used to them. Enough time passes, you get so dependent on them. That’s institutionalised."

And that's how I would define Virat journey before meeting Sai, or rather before he got to know her. He was brought up in a household which had strict and orthodox ways of thinking and functioning. Women except Bhavani who was the matriarch had no power. He was a child who had his own character, likes and dislikes. But with a non-existent father in physical space and with a mother who had no say, Virat basically had learnt to curb his wishes. The disturbing equation between his parents was another critical aspect of his growing up years.

First you hate them

So while he may have wanted certain things or live a certain way as a child, even when he tried to rebel, he never got that freedom or support to voice his opinion. The walls around were too strong

Then you get used to them

Slowly as he grew, he got used to this set up and the rebel turned evasive. He started to accept his situation and became vary of any conflicts or confrontations.

Then you get so dependent on them

And as years past, he knew no other life. The wall behind which he grew up had caged a Virat within him as well. And the one who was born out of the circumstances became the dominant one, with the true self became dormant and non-existent for the conscious self. Almost without a trace. Nobody ever saw him. He had adapted himself so well to his upbringing and life style that the very house became his safe haven. His dominant character was well adjusted an aligned in this space that he depended on it.

Prisoner in his body, institutionalised in the shackles of Chavan surname.

So with that established, there is an underlying Virat that has probably been sleeping for years unaware to Virat himself. He is finding his peace in this non conformational Virat who may not believe in certain regressive things, but tends to ignore and avoid such things.

This is where the layering of character comes from.

When he meets Pakhi, he meets someone who mirrors the dominant Virat. He feels that Pakhi will breed well in the cages of Chavan Niwas. His liking and preferences are aligned with the Chavan household and Pakhi fits the bill.

Circumstances separate them. The dominant V is obviously heartbroken. Because he lost what he believed was his love, someone who he felt was in sync with him and was a perfect life partner.

Sai has entered his life, she is yet not in his personal space. While the dominant V is constantly at war with Sai as she is everything that his upbringing barred in a woman, there is the dormant Virat that appreciates her subconsciously. A wake up call is given to the sleeping Virat. Hence, the touch of care and concern even in their quarrels. Here if the situation had not forced him to marry Sai dormant Virat would have lived on, maybe forever. Marriage happened in an emotional wreck. It tends to make people a little more considerate and empathetic towards each other. A certain level of acceptance in all the rejection.

This slight acceptance became the small aperture for knowing, understanding and co-existing. And gradually Virat allowed to himself to see Sai more closely, a trigger to the hypnopompic Virat. His initial outburst (the complaint against Virat) at her were not just an argument with Sai, it was with the subconscious Virat. While he appreciated her goodness, he was trying desperately not to like what Sai represented that his family opposed. How could Virat approve or agree to such things..the dominant V. There is a war between the dominant and the not-so-dormant anymore Virat

This is where conflict arises

While dominant Virat exists the dormant Virat has started to spring up with all his might. In Sai and in her company the sleeping, long lost, child Virat was unleashed. The true Virat had found his match and hence was drawn towards her. She brought out that liveliness & playfulness in him that he had hidden in his attempt to align to the demands from a Chavan boy. And with that came zeal to fight for what one feels right, against one's own family. Seeing her take on things gave him that hope and courage. Meanwhile the dormant V was falling for Sai. Though he still remained the amicable Virat for his own needs, he was ready to fight for Sai. With both versions of Virat now gaining momentum simultaneously, he is fighting an inner battle. One that led to very erratic and extreme behaviours from Virat. Sai had said how difficult it is to read him, because he is so good at times and then treats her so badly. Two extremes as if he has split personality. Till the time the OG Virat was sleeping he was layered but wasn't complex, because even its existence he was non- functional. The revival led to the inner conflict and the complexity due to active co-existence of both Virats. Convenient escapist, occasional meek, became convenient rebel, occasional confronter. Situation based preference between family and love, levels up the relevant Virat version.

And here complexity surfaces

I will leave this at that for today. Hope I was able to convert my thoughts into words comprehensively. Will put up another part to this - "Execution". "Conventional vs the unconventional" And probably where all my frustration stems from (incase you are still willing give it a read after that last line 😜)

@daydreamers mentioned some concepts, that provoked some thoughts and I'm serving my version here.

Originally posted by: sherry_24

Part - 1 (Conceptualisation)

I'll quote these lines from "The Shawshank Redemption" about prisoners in jail. One of my all time favourite movie after "Jerry Maguire"😍

"These walls are funny. First, you hate them and then you get used to them. Enough time passes, you get so dependent on them. That’s institutionalised."

And that's how I would define Virat journey before meeting Sai, or rather before he got to know her. He was brought up in a household which had strict and orthodox ways of thinking and functioning. Women except Bhavani who was the matriarch had no power. He was a child who had his own character, likes and dislikes. But with a non-existent father in physical space and with a mother who had no say, Virat basically had learnt to curb his wishes. The disturbing equation between his parents was another critical aspect of his growing up years.

First you hate them

So while he may have wanted certain things or live a certain way as a child, even when he tried to rebel, he never got that freedom or support to voice his opinion. The walls around were too strong

Then you get used to them

Slowly as he grew, he got used to this set up and the rebel turned evasive. He started to accept his situation and became vary of any conflicts or confrontations.

Then you get so dependent on them

And as years past, he knew no other life. The wall behind which he grew up had caged a Virat within him as well. And the one who was born out of the circumstances became the dominant one, with the true self became dormant and non-existent for the conscious self. Almost without a trace. Nobody ever saw him. He had adapted himself so well to his upbringing and life style that the very house became his safe haven. His dominant character was well adjusted an aligned in this space that he depended on it.

Prisoner in his body, institutionalised in the shackles of Chavan surname.

So with that established, there is an underlying Virat that has probably been sleeping for years unaware to Virat himself. He is finding his peace in this non conformational Virat who may not believe in certain regressive things, but tends to ignore and avoid such things.

This is where the layering of character comes from.

When he meets Pakhi, he meets someone who mirrors the dominant Virat. He feels that Pakhi will breed well in the cages of Chavan Niwas. His liking and preferences are aligned with the Chavan household and Pakhi fits the bill.

Circumstances separate them. The dominant V is obviously heartbroken. Because he lost what he believed was his love, someone who he felt was in sync with him and was a perfect life partner.

Sai has entered his life, she is yet not in his personal space. While the dominant V is constantly at war with Sai as she is everything that his upbringing barred in a woman, there is the dormant Virat that appreciates her subconsciously. A wake up call is given to the sleeping Virat. Hence, the touch of care and concern even in their quarrels. Here if the situation had not forced him to marry Sai dormant Virat would have lived on, maybe forever. Marriage happened in an emotional wreck. It tends to make people a little more considerate and empathetic towards each other. A certain level of acceptance in all the rejection.

This slight acceptance became the small aperture for knowing, understanding and co-existing. And gradually Virat allowed to himself to see Sai more closely, a trigger to the hypnopompic Virat. His initial outburst (the complaint against Virat) at her were not just an argument with Sai, it was with the subconscious Virat. While he appreciated her goodness, he was trying desperately not to like what Sai represented that his family opposed. How could Virat approve or agree to such things..the dominant V. There is a war between the dominant and the not-so-dormant anymore Virat

This is where conflict arises

While dominant Virat exists the dormant Virat has started to spring up with all his might. In Sai and in her company the sleeping, long lost, child Virat was unleashed. The true Virat had found his match and hence was drawn towards her. She brought out that liveliness & playfulness in him that he had hidden in his attempt to align to the demands from a Chavan boy. And with that came zeal to fight for what one feels right, against one's own family. Seeing her take on things gave him that hope and courage. Meanwhile the dormant V was falling for Sai. Though he still remained the amicable Virat for his own needs, he was ready to fight for Sai. With both versions of Virat now gaining momentum simultaneously, he is fighting an inner battle. One that led to very erratic and extreme behaviours from Virat. Sai had said how difficult it is to read him, because he is so good at times and then treats her so badly. Two extremes as if he has split personality. Till the time the OG Virat was sleeping he was layered but wasn't complex, because even its existence he was non- functional. The revival led to the inner conflict and the complexity due to active co-existence of both Virats. Convenient escapist, occasional meek, became convenient rebel, occasional confronter. Situation based preference between family and love, levels up the relevant Virat version.

And here complexity surfaces

I will leave this at that for today. Hope I was able to convert my thoughts into words comprehensively. Will put up another part to this - "Execution". "Conventional vs the unconventional" And probably where all my frustration stems from (incase you are still willing give it a read after that last line 😜)

@daydreamers mentioned some concepts, that provoked some thoughts and I'm serving my version here.

Virat could not have been explained better than this. This is such a good characterisation of Virat. 👏

Originally posted by: sadiltl

@bold Wow, I agree to some extent. He might be a leader when it comes to his profession, but in personal life, he is a learner! which is not bad actually...

But I do think he has a mind of his own, defined by his 'rules'. Why else he would go to such an extent even though he knows he messes up with Sai? Where does that conviction come from. That dare devil attitude to continue what he believes in when the entire city is burning? Will a follower be like this? He doesnt surrender to Sai also. That makes me think he choses when he should be leader and when to be follower. No?

When I say follower, I dont mean Virat lacks conviction or he does not have a mind of his own...or is someone who cannot hold his ground...he even leads at times

A leader is someone who can take everyone along and at the same time, pull up people when required, understand everyone's POV and be just, uncompromising in certain imporatnt issues & take strong actions. In a house like CN, it is a tough task, requires huge emotional strength...and VIrat is still learning. That is why I see him as as a senapthi as of now...

Very nice. ❤️ Could not have been expressed better.👏

Well rounded analysis.

As a concept, Virat, the character is brilliant.

Waiting for the execution part....which frustrates many of us.

Brilliant 👏 I have no words am totally SPELLBOUND...👏❤️