Why Sooryavanshi's success at the box office should worry us all - Page 16

You can easily see Hindus fighting each other in Jodha Akbar where various Rajput kingdoms do not get along with each other.

There's Hindu traitors in Laxmibai's kingdom in Manikarnika as well.

There is a Hindu traitor in Padmavat who instigates Khilji to invade and tells him tales of Padmavati's beauty to make him lust after her.

So where are films showing only Muslims as villains and no Hindu infighting, no Hindu traitors?

You are repeating same allegations again and again without bothering to read counter responses and seeing other examples.

Even Bajirao Mastani has no Hindu vs Muslim only. It does show infighting at Bajirao's side and a Muslim warrior like Mastani in favour of Hindu monarchs.

IDK why are you so hell bent on seeing things as black and white and only Hindu vs Muslim when films are not like that.

FYI in Tanhaji also Saif is a Hindu character. Not a Muslim.

Originally posted by: atominis

British did not do worse, FYI. They did not raze religious places, they did not kill saints and gurus of any religion, they did not impose religious taxes like jizya, they did not take locals as slaves and sell them to markets abroad.

No one simps for British. Rather most Indian films bash British be it in films like Bhagat Singh, Sardar Udham, Gadar, Mard, Kismet, RDB, Lagaan, Gandhi, Kranti, Manikarnika, Namaste London, Purab Paschim, Lingaa etc or even films like K3G, Kal ho na ho taking digs at Brits, showing them as villains, racists or debauched lot with no values or chastity.

It is not Muslims who are seen as foreigners. Films are specific about foreign invaders. Not local Indian Muslims.

FYI, a famous Indian festival called Lohri is celebrated in honour of a Muslim called Dulla Bhatti who used to rescue girls abducted by invaders and fought for land rights. He was hanged by Akbar later. But locals see him as their hero.

Indian films have shown Razia Sultan positively, and Muslim warriors like Hakim Khan Sur who led army of Maharana Pratap in battle of Haldighati.

Rather films have often shown Hindus like Jaichand or that priest in Padmavat as traitors who led to downfall of kingdoms.

And I am sorry. Brutal wars, invasions and oppressing people is never 'normal'. This comment is insensitive again and makes sweeping generalisations about Indian films.

Seems like you are downplaying British atrocities. Tons of massacres, famines (where literally millions died) and brutal oppression happened during their rule. Now razing religious places and killing gurus is awful but it seems weird to say it's worse than starving people to death.

Also why do you think there are so many Indians in some african countries (and smaller islands)? The British forced people to go and work there. They also tortured freedom fighters in horrible ways (https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2001/jun/23/weekend.adrianlevy).

Lol at saying K3G and KHNH show Brits as villians lol, have you seen indian (or in general asian) representation in Western movies? I mean its a bit better now at least but a few years ago it was pretty much all racist garbage. Lagaan was also pretty soft with how it handled the British tbh.

I have named dozens of films showing British as villains in Indian films. Even before 1947, Indian films showed British aka gorey/angrez as villains.

We will not be dictated who can be shown as villain and who cannot.

Originally posted by: atominis

I have named dozens of films showing British as villains in Indian films. Even before 1947, Indian films showed British aka gorey/angrez as villains.

We will not be dictated who can be shown as villain and who cannot.

Ok but how are Muslims worse again than British? You ignored that part

I never said Muslims can't be shown as villians (not sure how often I have to repeat it)., I'm saying there should be a balance which is completely missing from the last 5 years or so. That's it. It's part of a larger trend considering how the ruling party pushes anti Muslim propaganda regulary (they don't dare to push anti british propaganda so most including you see Muslims as worse than them). But you refuse to see that part.

Originally posted by: Journey95

Ok but how are Muslims worse again than British? You ignored that part

I never said Muslims can't be shown as villians., I'm saying there should be a balance which is completely missing from the last 5 years or so. That's it.

If you care to read then you will know why I said one set of invaders was worse.

And we see them as just Babur or Abdali or Khilji, not as only Muslims.

What balance? In last few years we had gorey villains too. Sardar Udham, Manikarnika and other films set in colonial era have British as villains.

Patiala House, Namaste London also showed British as racist attackers, debauched lot with no culture. RDB, Mangal Pandey, Lagaan had British as villains.

I can list hundreds of films showing gorey as villains and using angrez ki aulad as a slur.

Even SRK's Asoka had shown Hindu kingdoms' infighting.

So IDK what makes you think Bollywood only shows Muslims as villains.

Originally posted by: atominis

Narmada Bachao Andolan.

Aamir was roasted for supporting it with his RDB team and sharing stage with Medha Patkar.

His Fanaa and RDB got banned in Gujarat. He was labeled enemy of Gujarat who wanted to stop development in the state. Right winners destroyed CDs of his films too.

But it is good that Aamir never apologised nor withdrew his statements. Rather he blasted BJP further as an anti democratic party. 🤣

Little known fact for our Srk vs Aamir comparison

Fanaa was banned gujrat but still broke opening day/weekend record 👌 domestic and international

Originally posted by: atominis

If you care to read then you will know why I said one set of invaders was worse.

And we see them as just Babur or Abdali or Khilji, not as only Muslims.

What balance? In last few years we had gorey villains too. Sardar Udham, Manikarnika and other films set in colonial era have British as villains.

Patiala House, Namaste London also showed British as racist attackers, debauched lot with no culture. RDB, Mangal Pandey, Lagaan had British as villains.

I can list hundreds of films showing gorey as villains and using angrez ki aulad as a slur.

Yeah you listed their atrocities and then I mentioned the British atrocities which you ignored completely. At best you can say they were equally bad but like I said the government and media only spread hate towards Muslims while bending over for the British so obviously you are influenced too. Hell Sardar Udham was not even selected as the official entry for the Oscars because the jury said it showed "hatred against the British" lol (https://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/sardar-udham-projects-our-hatred-towards-british-jury-member-on-why-film-wasn-t-sent-to-oscars-fans-say-truth-is-bitter-101635219066968.html).

I would say there have been more movies showing Muslims as villians than the British in the last few years (or maybe those movies are just more popular..). And I never said anything about things not being balanced before 2014 anyway.

Originally posted by: atominis

Narmada Bachao Andolan.

Aamir was roasted for supporting it with his RDB team and sharing stage with Medha Patkar.

His Fanaa and RDB got banned in Gujarat. He was labeled enemy of Gujarat who wanted to stop development in the state. Right winners destroyed CDs of his films too.

But it is good that Aamir never apologised nor withdrew his statements. Rather he blasted BJP further as an anti democratic party. 🤣

Narmada Bachao Andolan – Key Points

1. After the independence, India’s first Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, called for the construction of dams on Narmada river to arrest excess water flowing into Arabian sea passing through Madhya Pradesh and Gujarat to aid local people and development of the nation.
2. Two of the largest proposed dams were Sardar Sarovar and Narmada Sagar.
3. The Narmada Water Disputes Tribunal approved the Narmada Valley Development Project, which included 30 large dams, 135 medium dams, and 3,000 small dams including raising the height of Sardar Sarovar dam.
4. In 1985, after hearing about the construction of Narmada Dam Project, Medha Patkar and her colleagues visited the project site and noticed that project work was being checked due to an order by the Ministry of Environment and Forests, Government of India.
5. In 1987, construction began on the Sardar Sarovar Dam and the people who were going to be affected by the construction of the dam were given no information but the offer for rehabilitation.
6. In May 1990, Narmada Bachao Andolan organized a 2,000-person, five-day sit-in at PM V. P. Singh’s residence in New Delhi, which convinced the Prime Minister to ‘reconsider’ the project.
7. In December 1990, approximately 6000 men and women began the Narmada Jan Vikas Sangharsh Yatra (Narmada People’s Progress Struggle March), marching over 100 kilometres.
8. In January 1991, Baba Amte and the seven-member team began an indefinite hunger strike (continued for 22 days) and committed to a sit-in unto death.
9. The Sardar Sarovar Dam’s construction began again in 1999 and was declared finished in 2006. The height of the project was increased from 138 meters to 163 meters. It was inaugurated in 2017 by PM Narendra Modi.

The project now provides water and electricity to 4 states..MP, Maha,Rajasthan and Gujarat. It has played a major role in reducing the suffering of these states who have considerable dry area and frequently suffered from droughts..

Special mention: Aamir was involved in Paani project which was designed to solve water issues in Maha villages..Kiran also worked on it with him..don't know the status now.

Edit: INC was the ruling party in Gujarat till 1995

Originally posted by: niyati13

I have got a general question..what's more harmful..only verbal extremism n toxicity or both verbal n physical?

IMHO both. Verbal extremism and toxicity often encourage and exacerbate the physical. That is why most nations have laws against inflammatory speech. But with freedom of speech and social media the practical implementation is complex.