Why Sooryavanshi's success at the box office should worry us all - Page 15

Originally posted by: Journey95

The 1993 blasts were real, just like the 2006 Malegaon bombings which weren't mentioned of course. The propaganda is showing muslims as evil and when not just as token yes men with no character whatsoever. Add to that the numerous other movies with Muslim villians in the past few years + anti Muslim propaganda being pushed on social media and by the ruling party and it's problematic.

But I'm not surprised that its not a problem for you considering how you ignore Hindu extremists targeting Muslims and Christians while only focusing on the bad stuff Muslims have done. Only Islamic extremism is a problem, clearly Hindus are perfect & movies showing just that suits your agenda

BTW just to tickle you a bit, since you mentioned the 2006 Malegaon blasts. How many blasts have been done in India by Islamic radicals? Care to count? 1993 blasts, 2001 Parliament blast, at least 10 blasts in different temples (including Somnath), 2008 Nov Taj attacks, 1990s hijackings by Pak militants.

There have been at least 50-80 instances of terror attacks in India by Pak-sponsored Islamic radicals since the 90s. And yet you talk about one 'Malegaon blast'. Yeah, one to 50,80 or maybe 100. "1993 was a reality, so was Malegaon". Right. ONE Malegaon. To help you sleep at night.

Please stop smoking whatever you are putting into the doobie right now. Or just admit that you're a shameless apologist, the kind that Rana Ayub is.

Originally posted by: Journey95

Well you were complaining about the evil Muslim invaders, acting like the place was some utopia before them. You think they were the only ones who committed massacres and destroyed shit?

I already countered all your points but we know you can't read properly

I am sorry but this comment was insensitive. This is same as argument colonialists used to rationalise invasions or minimise the horror of colonialism.

A lot of us honour and worship our ancestors, warriors, saints who sacrificed their lives fighting invasions, forced conversions or remember destroyed monuments and heritage.

It is not centuries old 'shit'. Just as horrors of casteism and untouchability, Sati, ill treatment of widows, burying alive lepers in past are all real and we can make films or shows or write books to discuss it. No one can stop us or dictate us what to show or not.

This is same as MRAs whining against films on rapes, paedophilia, domestic violence, stalking, serial killers, dowry, acid attacks, child marriage, honour killings and claiming it defames men or claiming 'shit must have happened earlier'.

I did not want to butt in this convo but this comment was insensitive.

Forget films, or serials, we still openly celebrate festivals honouring martyrs, warriors and saints and teach stories to kids about warriors who fought invaders. No-one can tell us to stop telling our history.

We have already HEAVILY censored lot of stuff that happened before, during and after partition and during 1965, 1971, 1999 wars as well. But we cannot be told to be silent all the time. Real life issues are real and reality never changes, nor gets buried no matter what.

I am sure we know about cases such as honour killing of Ankit Saxena too but we cannot make movies on it without being accused of an agenda?

Bollywood never maligned all Muslims even when it made one film on Kashmiri Pandit exodus called Shikara, in which VVC did show friendly Kashmiri Muslims who were best friends with Kashmiri Pandits and did their best to save them and prevent them from leaving.

I see no reason to judge Bollywood or Indian serials so harshly and accuse them of spreading hate against any community.

There are dozens of Bollywood films that show rogue priests, godmen, rioters, smugglers, rapists, honour killing crimes, from Hindu community also. How can Bollywood be accused of singling out any single community?

Have you not seen how casteist Bajirao's mother is in Bajirao Mastani and does not even want to touch other's shadow? Did you not see caste based killings and rapes in Article 15? Do you not see villainous Hindu king in Bahubali series? The honour killing khap types in NH 10?

I can list plenty of films and web series that have shown villains of other communities in last 5 years itself. There is no way one can say Bollywood always shows only Hindus as saints.

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

How da fcuk did she get to write for Washington Post, is my question. She's literally a piece of trash. She can be sued for trying to incite religious hatred for this piece of hers.

Washington post hates India. So anyone anti- India is hero for them.

Originally posted by: catchmeifucan

@Border & Lakshya: What Muslim antagonists did they have? I watched both the movies umpteen number of times but didn’t see any such thing. May be you have seen something that I missed. Care to throw some light on it?

She is talking of Pakistani villains in Border and Lakshya.

I am surprised she finds them tolerable. In past, Sarfarosh, Border, Gadar, Lakshya, Maa Tujhe Salaam, Mission Kashmir, Fiza, Hindustan ki Kasam, Ab Tumhare hawale watan saathiyo etc got big-time flak and were labelled 'hyper nationalist'.

I have read somewhere that Aamir got booed at a stage show abroad after Sarfarosh because the film directly blames Pakistan for cross border terrorism and illegal activities such as drug smuggling, illegal weapon smuggling.

Sunny Deol is singularly most hated Indian actor for Border, Gadar, The Hero, Indian, Maa Tujhe Salaam type films just because these films have Pakistan based villains or antagonists.

I really do not know why it is called anti Muslim. I mean, Indo Pak wars or cross border issues are political not religious. I never saw Sarfarosh or Border or Lakshya as films that show Muslims as villains. We have Muslim officers in India too so how is a film showing Pakistani villains 'anti Muslim'?

Originally posted by: JustWandering

No use really arguing with some of the usual bigots here…

same people were mocking and ridiculing people here who called out BJP for being behind aryan khans arrest… claiming modi-shah don’t have time to even think about srk or his son when despite any possession his kid was lifted from the street and held in jail for a month….


Despite the fact that ACP Singh himself was coming only to his hearings… top IPS officers were flying from Delhi to make sure the kid stays in jail….

Ask them for what reason mo-shah types are after tarnishing srk reputation… and watch them type mile long essay citing everything but the actual reason.

I mock anyone who simply does not makes sense to me. I understand how IT cell works in this country and worldwide. Hate has more likes and hashtags.

Originally posted by: Journey95

No one denies that bad things happened but that was normal back then. Human rights and in general not having constant wars and massacres are a recent phenomenon. Your type pushes this Hindu utopia before the big bad evil muslims came which shows how little you know about history (surprised you haven't whined about Hindu "genocides"). Muslims have been here now for 1000+ years and still you see them as foreigners and bash them for their history. Now that's pathetic, especially with how bhakts simp for the British considering what they did was worse and more recent.

British did not do worse, FYI. They did not raze religious places, they did not kill saints and gurus of any religion, they did not impose religious taxes like jizya, they did not take locals as slaves and sell them to markets abroad.

No one simps for British. Rather most Indian films bash British be it in films like Bhagat Singh, Sardar Udham, Gadar, Mard, Kismet, RDB, Lagaan, Gandhi, Kranti, Manikarnika, Namaste London, Purab Paschim, Lingaa etc or even films like K3G, Kal ho na ho taking digs at Brits, showing them as villains, racists or debauched lot with no values or chastity.

It is not Muslims who are seen as foreigners. Films are specific about foreign invaders. Not local Indian Muslims.

FYI, a famous Indian festival called Lohri is celebrated in honour of a Muslim called Dulla Bhatti who used to rescue girls abducted by invaders and fought for land rights. He was hanged by Akbar later. But locals see him as their hero.

Indian films have shown Razia Sultan positively, and Muslim warriors like Hakim Khan Sur who led army of Maharana Pratap in battle of Haldighati.

Rather films have often shown Hindus like Jaichand or that priest in Padmavat as traitors who led to downfall of kingdoms.

And I am sorry. Brutal wars, invasions and oppressing people is never 'normal'. This comment is insensitive again and makes sweeping generalisations about Indian films.

Originally posted by: Anjalika01

Can't help but notice that this sounds so much like the narrative of some white people who try to justify their countries colonising others 😳

Its not a justification, just history and how things were back then. Everyone invaded each other and wars were as regular as it gets.

The weirder part is calling people who have been here for 1000 years "colonizers". White people came here, looted the place for 200+ years and left. Yet I never see this amount of vitrol for the British as I do for Muslims who settled here (its their home too no matter what some of their ancestors did). They aren't "native" but very few people are (if you look at countries worldwide).

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

NBA ? Basketball ? 😆

Narmada Bachao Andolan.

Aamir was roasted for supporting it with his RDB team and sharing stage with Medha Patkar.

His Fanaa and RDB got banned in Gujarat. He was labeled enemy of Gujarat who wanted to stop development in the state. Right winners destroyed CDs of his films too.

But it is good that Aamir never apologised nor withdrew his statements. Rather he blasted BJP further as an anti democratic party. 🤣

Originally posted by: atominis

I am sorry but this comment was insensitive. This is same as argument colonialists used to rationalise invasions or minimise the horror of colonialism.

A lot of us honour and worship our ancestors, warriors, saints who sacrificed their lives fighting invasions, forced conversions or remember destroyed monuments and heritage.

It is not centuries old 'shit'. Just as horrors of casteism and untouchability, Sati, ill treatment of widows, burying alive lepers in past are all real and we can make films or shows or write books to discuss it. No one can stop us or dictate us what to show or not.

This is same as MRAs whining against films on rapes, paedophilia, domestic violence, stalking, serial killers, dowry, acid attacks, child marriage, honour killings and claiming it defames men or claiming 'shit must have happened earlier'.

I did not want to butt in this convo but this comment was insensitive.

Forget films, or serials, we still openly celebrate festivals honouring martyrs, warriors and saints and teach stories to kids about warriors who fought invaders. No-one can tell us to stop telling our history.

We have already HEAVILY censored lot of stuff that happened before, during and after partition and during 1965, 1971, 1999 wars as well. But we cannot be told to be silent all the time. Real life issues are real and reality never changes, nor gets buried no matter what.

I am sure we know about cases such as honour killing of Ankit Saxena too but we cannot make movies on it without being accused of an agenda?

Bollywood never maligned all Muslims even when it made one film on Kashmiri Pandit exodus called Shikara, in which VVC did show friendly Kashmiri Muslims who were best friends with Kashmiri Pandits and did their best to save them and prevent them from leaving.

I see no reason to judge Bollywood or Indian serials so harshly and accuse them of spreading hate against any community.

There are dozens of Bollywood films that show rogue priests, godmen, rioters, smugglers, rapists, honour killing crimes, from Hindu community also. How can Bollywood be accused of singling out any single community?

Have you not seen how casteist Bajirao's mother is in Bajirao Mastani and does not even want to touch other's shadow? Did you not see caste based killings and rapes in Article 15? Do you not see villainous Hindu king in Bahubali series? The honour killing khap types in NH 10?

I can list plenty of films and web series that have shown villains of other communities in last 5 years itself. There is no way one can say Bollywood always shows only Hindus as saints.

Using that to justify colonization would be wrong..which I didn't do at all. But to deny that Hindus fought each other (and other people) and act like everything was perfect before seems insensitive as well. Reminds me of the "noble savage" stereotype that some people give Native Americans.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be movies showing people like Khiliji as bad. But I think there should also be movies like Jodha Akbar or Asoka showing different parts of history. It shouldn't be all "good Hindus vs bad Muslims". In the past few years we have only had movies like that which again doesn't seem like a coincidence considering how bhakts push the "muslim don't be long here" propaganda

Originally posted by: Journey95

Its not a justification, just history and how things were back then. Everyone invaded each other and wars were as regular as it gets.

The weirder part is calling people who have been here for 1000 years "colonizers". White people came here, looted the place for 200+ years and left. Yet I never see this amount of vitrol for the British as I do for Muslims who settled here (its their home too no matter what some of their ancestors did). They aren't "native" but very few people are (if you look at countries worldwide).

Invaders shall always be called invaders no matter who they are be it British or Khilji, Abdali or Babur or Dutch and French.

No one called Indian Muslims foreigners though. So IDK why are you conflating the two.

You are mistaken if you think British were never disliked. Every film prior to 90s had a British villain, rapist or henchman, smuggler colluding with traitors to destroy India. Bob Christo and Tom Alter were permanent firangi villains in old films.

There are lot of anti colonialism or anti foreigners films showing 'gorey' as debauched or racist.

How do you miss Patiala House, Namaste London, Lagaan, The Rising, Ab ke Baras, Bhagat Singh biopics, Gadar, Kaalapani, Manikarnika, K3G, Sardar Udham etc taking potshots at British/gorey?

Angrez and gorey bashing is common in Indian films. Including regional ones. Lingaa is a recent example of oppressive British villains.