Why Sooryavanshi's success at the box office should worry us all - Page 17

Originally posted by: Recycled

You have problems muslims being seen as foreigners despite being here for 1000+ years and want them to be considered indics, What stops them from claiming their indic roots and ancestry ?

What stops them considering maharana pratap, rani laxmibai, shivajiaharaj bhagat singh and likes as their heroes? Why are their public and private places, businesses, schools, mosques are not named after such indic icons to feel connected to their "native"land? Why name them after foreign invaders?

What stops them from calling out the persecution, subjugation and forceful conversions by these invaders like ghori, khilji, babar, aurangzeb etc etc? On the contrary, even moderate, literate and well off muslims like naseeruddin shah feel proud and glorify them.

So who is actually to be blamed if they are seen as foreigners?The life style,culture, religion, icons and everything else is followed by adopting from foreign invaders.

Is there anything local they have accepted despite living here for 1000+ years?

I have never seen Muslims hate on Bhagat Singh or other freedom fighters, not sure where you are getting that from. Since you know of Rani Laxmibai you should know that Muslims played a huge role in the rebellion, yet nowadays only the Hindu fighters are popular.

I don't get your point. You want Muslims to give up their religion and lifestyle because it came from "foreign invaders" (they came 1000 years ago, how long will you keep whining about them being foreign)? That's not happening at all They also don't have to apologize for their ancestors who did bad things centuries ago. You are the typical bhakt who only thinks India belongs to Hindus and everyone else should give up their identity and culture and adopt yours. India is all about diversity and is a secular democratic country. Muslims or Christians or anyone else don't have to appease Hindu extremists. People can live in harmony while being different. In fact things were going well until the rise of the hindutva movement.

Then again your type even glorifies the likes of Nathuram Godse because Gandhi was too nice to Muslims so I'm not surprised. You people will drag down the whole country with you antagonizing 200+ million people

Originally posted by: Recycled

@bold .... i will try toanswer that.

See, britishers came as merchants, ruled and looted for 200 years and left us on our own and never looked back.

Muslims invaders came, carried on genocide of millions, tried to erase native culture and religion to establish their own and their own way of life by continuous subjugation and percecution that lasted for 1000+ years.

They have been ruling class in india for all these years, demanded and carved two seperate islamic countries out of hindu land when reached 25 percent and yet cry of minority/muslim persecution in just 7 years of modi rule despite being sexond largest majority numbering close to 35 cr as per unofficial data. And this wolf cry is nothing but a ploy to demand another partition since they have sizable population now and blaming hindu majority of intolerance and persecution is a step towards it.

Anyone who thinks muslims have changed ideologically from 1947 to now is living in fools paradise. We know how pakistan team's recent victory was celebrated by their counterparts in india.

I mean your agenda is pretty clear when you describe British with soft words like merchants and don't say anything at all about how many massacres and famines happened under their rule in just 200 years. Typical simping for your white masters. Literally millions of people were starved to death and killed. They took all the wealth from India and left us on our own only once it became clear that they were declining as a power and couldn't keep control.

Also Muslims didn't do any genocide, that's complete hindutva propaganda. No respected historian has described Muslim rule as genocide. That's systemtic elmination of a certain group. Muslims definitely invaded and killed many & wanted to be in control but they didn't want to "erase" Hindu's. At its peak the Mughal Empire controlled large parts of India so millions of Hindus lived there with them too and yet no genocide happened.

Pakistan and Bangladesh are not Hindu land anymore, again this is typical bhakt bs with crying about Akhand Bharat. Also considering how your type gets butthurt with 200 million muslims I wonder how you would feel with almost 600 million Muslims in India? Those lands are gone and you should move on.

Indian Muslims don't want another partition, again this is something I have never heard. They love India and could have moved during the partition & in the years after but didn't. In fact its Hindu extremists who often say they don't belong and should convert to Hinduism or go to Pakistan..Maybe a dozen Muslims (out of 200 million) celebrated Pakistan's victory, obviously dumb and wrong but putting them in Jail is not helping matters.

Your type seems obsessed with revenge for things that happened a long time ago + losing Pakistan & Bangladesh so now you are turning your anger towards people who had nothing to do with that. Hateful brats like you are the real problem.

Originally posted by: Recycled

Did i say muslims hate them?

But Bhagat singh and likes are not considered icons by them the way babar and auranzeb etc are.

Did i say they nees to give up tgeir religion?

I said they need to acknowledge and accept their indic roots and icons which they dont, if they want to feel at home. Simple.

You have no way of proving that. Bhagat Singh is loved by all Indians, as are the likes of Gandhi (again if anything bhakts hate him..).

Some Muslims may glorify Muslim kings too much but that's true for everyone. I mean Europeans still glorify Columbus despite the things he did or Americans love their founding fathers although again they were not good people. Hell Mongols love Gengis Khan and he killed a crazy number of people. I don't think any older historical figures should be glorified, they were all pretty bad for modern standards.

Anyway you should stop reading hindutva propaganda and focus on unity. Hope you can find that maturity

Originally posted by: Recycled

600+ million muslims in a land where islam had nothing to do with originally.

British population and countries carved out from india...zero

Well you answered your own question as to how british are not as bad as muslims.

Look at it from a native's perspective and you will realise hows and whys.

"originally" doesn't matter when it happened 1000 years ago. With your logic most countries right now shouldn't exist since very few people living in them are "natives". This seems like a sad and hateful existence when you can't move on from an event that happened so long ago and have to exaggerate things (like Muslims committing genocides) to try and prove your point. Just seems bizarre

So either way if no Partition happened we would have 600 million Muslims unless you somehow want to "remove" them which would lead to civil war and ruin India. So best be happy that Partition happened...

Btw nice job of ignoring all my other points.

Originally posted by: Recycled

How are they loved ?

Show me one muslim place, business or school named after bhagat singh or laxmibai Or even gandhi whom they always claim to love so much

Why do they need to name places after them? Hell if they did that bhakts would get mad anyway since Muslims are taking away Hindu icons.

Show me proof that they aren't loved. I have never seen an Indian muslim bash any of the iconic freedom fighters. They obviously often hate the BJP and Modi but I guess for your type that's already cause to mistreat them and consider them as traitors..

Originally posted by: Recycled

I was answering why britishers arent half as bad as muslim invaders.

The invaders have changed the way of life of 600+ millions in a land they occupied by brute. What could be worse than that.

Look at the impact they have left behind as compared to britishers.

Long term they had more impact but the British have had a much bigger influence in India in the last few centuries. India as a modern state exists because of them and they have had a huge influence on the current political system, laws, language etc.

Anyway I don't see the point of obsessing over 1000 year old events and getting mad over it. Those things happened, can't change them now. Move on instead of antagonizing a significant minority population. Look at the constitution, India was never supposed to be a Hinduism focused state. We are not like Pakistan who make their religion the whole point of their country

Originally posted by: Recycled

How else do you prove your love and affiliation to natives ? Lol

By being patriotic, working hard on improving India NOW and following the ideals of our country (none of them says you have to name stuff after people or let go of your religion).

Originally posted by: Journey95

It can be shown without pandering to bhakts and villifying Muslims in general. Have you seen Sarfarosh? It also dealt with islamic terrorism but it did so in a much better way and actually had a fully realized muslim character apart from perpetrators (no low effort token crap like in this movie who are there to fall in line). It didn't spread hate like this movie but was more about unity

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Brilliantly put!! I was thinking the same, my older brother showed me the movie Sarfarosh. What a well done movie. That’s the thing, those kind of sentiments of balance are lost. People are forgetting that two wrongs don’t make a right. Voh karte hai hum bhi karenge!

Originally posted by: Recycled

Sorry missed this one..

@bold1 ...So who is simping white masters now

@bold2...really?😆

I'm not simping, I don't like what the British did at all but their influence can't be denied for all the countries they colonized. That doesn't mean their atrocities that your type likes to downplay shouldn't be condemned, they have done more evil than any empire ever

Originally posted by: Recycled

So as per you, indian muslims are all that jazz but hindus are bad guys who persecute muslims for being ideal citizens and burst crackers whenever india loses matches against pakistan to paint them traitors?

OK then on that note,

Gnite sweet nothing!

Most of both sides are normal people and not bad at all. But since Modi took over there has been clear discrimination towards Muslims and even other minorities. How do you explain Hindu religious leaders calling for genocide against Muslims a while ago? Or Hindu extremists going after Christians for celebrating Christmas, destroying Jesus statues etc.?

Idk about you but that seems worse than "bursting crackers" when India lost against Pakistan which was only done by very few people in the first place and no one was harmed (still dumb and wrong).

But anyway it seems like you won't listen to reason anyway like other bhakts. For the sake of India I can only hope that this hateful movement fails soon