Leela had a valid point - Page 6

I see your point! Baa's points might be coming from a understandable place but her actions are not justifiable and will never be justifiable. I also blame Bapuji for this as well. Giving respect/love doesn't mean you shut your mouth when your loved ones are making mistakes, had he taken a stand for right from the beginning and made her understand instead of being a mute spectator things might have not gone this far. Saying that, he didn't deserve the humiliation he went thru infront of other from his wife. She didn't desrved to be ditched on the festival. If you want to support Anupama go right ahead but that doesn't mean you ditch the people living with you no matter how wrong they might be as a head of the family and father of anupama you should try to bridge the gap not add to it.

Also Vanraj might be good son/brother but NOT A good father no good father leaves their son alone just because he took the help of his rival in times of need. If Samrat found comfort in a guy that he knows for few weeks than his father then Vanraj rather than being jealous , he should have had a convo with samrat ane try to bridge the gap between them. I also don't like how he treats samrat from the beginning and doesn't stop/correct Toshu/Pakhi when they cross a line. These are not the qualities of a good father.

Leela is demanding more from hasmukh when she know hasmukh has not enough earning. When leela know that hasmukh not enough earning then demanding more than that from hasmukh is earning is wrong

Hasmukh aise ghar mein khaali berojgaar nahin baithe they. Woh kama rahe they agar hasmukh earning agar jyaada nahin thi to isme hasmukh ki galati nahin thi

Phir leela ko bhi hasmukh jitni earning kar raha tha us earning se jyaada, kharcha ki bhi ummeed nahin rakhni chahiye

Hasmukh ki mahine mein jitni earning hoti thi usi earning ke andar hi leela ko kharcha ki ummeed rakhni chahiye

Hasmukh ne apne earning ke hisaab se kharcha uthaysa

Phir bhi hasmukh ne jitna bhi earn karte they uska paisa woh leela ke haath mein dete they

But leela was expecting

Agar bapuji mahine mein rs 30000 kamate but leela is expecting hamaare kharche 500000 ke hisaab se ho which is totally wrong expectation from leela

I would say leela is competely wrong here who could not understsnd the situation of bapuji

And btw why baa did take sindoor to dance academy. Baa ki problem exactly thi kya, ki anupama anuj se dosti nahi tod rahi anuj anupama se pyaar karta hai ya bapuji unke ( baa toshu kavya)saath diwali nahin mana rahe they?

Originally posted by: vivacious

Dear,

You misunderstood what Rein123 was trying to tell you..

If you have to choose between two sets of people..

1. One, Who gives Gynan ka moti 24*7, Doesn’t involve himself in any argument, who doesn’t take any stand to improve and correct the situation, who sits and orders food and other services at his feet.. who doesn’t put his efforts to make money even when he is hail and healthy and passes all his burdens to their kids.. Inshort Nikkamma ki tarah koi ho.. who absolutely did nothing for the betterment of family..

Dont get me wrong here. i am also not a bapuji fan. I have hated him when he conveniently opted out of arguments, stayed quiet when he should have scolded V and baa, treated and even now treating and expecting maid like services from anupama. But when he actually raise his voice, he actually called out baa for her abusive behavior, people cant just sympathize and support that vile woman baa just because she got to listen one or two taunts. Again i am not saying that bapuji's one time outburst now would change his past numerous mistakes but yesterday's episode he was right, he stood up, raised his voice so he can't be calles out for that. And as far as the "bechari baa" is concerned. From the episode one she is tormenting people with her acid tone. If verbal abuse and insults could be equated to physical crimes and punished like that then this woman would have been the most wanted criminal of the country and charged of murdering, re murdering atleast hundreds of people. If we cant forget bapuji's past mistakes then we definitely just can't forget baa's past mistakes ans sympathize with her just because she herself got the taste of her own medicine. Its called karma, all her life she kept abusing people verbally, someday, sometime, in some measure it had to come back to her. I am still not defending bapuji's disrespect towards her but she had it coming since long time and she should know how does it feel for atleast once.

About choosing from nikkamma aadmi and kamane wala...i guess you are here talking about bapuji amd vanraj. Then i still would chose man like bapuji ov3r vanraj anytime. Because pati har aisho aaram de par ek din sautan le aaye usse better hai wo pati jo bhale hi gareebi mein rakhe lekin hamesha aoni patni ki baat sune aur kisi dusri aurat ke bare mein soche bhi na.

2. And the other Who worked hard to earn money to attend the house needs and also to pay the fee of his sister and himself.. improved the financial condition of the family by working day and night and still respects his parents without complaining.. Got himself married to girl who is not of his choice by obeying his parents and also got his sister married ..

Whom do you respect?

Forget about how Vanraj treated Anupama for a moment and think.. He sacrificed his life more than Anupama for the family..

Well thats the whole point. You cant forget what vanraj has done to anupama. His one major crime washed away his all little good deeds and that the way how world works. Just because he was good son and provider of the family it doesn't gives him license to have affair, abuse his wife and son and he can't be respected like a great man.

Aur V aur anu mein se kis ka sacrifice bada hai ispar to ek alag debate banta hai. If you are talking in terms of age than sure thing V has done more than anu but is it always about age? V struggle initially then he got a good job. Once you are job the work related tensions, stress are part of it you cant call them as your struggles. And i dont think V had any other dream of alternate career, he was happy in his job, he was enjoying. So tes he suffered initially but then he came in a comfort zone when things got settled but for anupama things never settled since she first came to shah house. Her torture, her "tyag" was a constant thing and inspite of all this she kept supporting his family. Even after divorce her abuse didn't end and still these people cant see her moving on in life. She has literally got butchered thoudsands of times and still we are debating ki baap ka sacrifice jyada bada hota ya maa ka ek ghar ko banane mein?

Same thing is true for bapuji and baa. Dono ne ghar banaya, sacrifice kiya but phir bhi bapuji ne kabhi nahi ginaya aur baa ne to interest le sath hisab bata diya.

Yes, he committed sin .. He has fallen in love when he found a women of his choice after marriage.. Here the mistake is, keeping Anupama in dark.. He should have told her long back and file a divorce which he didn’t..

- He shouldn’t have let all of his frustrations on Anupama and make her life miserable.. I partly blame Anupama too for this.. she allowed him to do that ..

He did regretted his bad behaviour towards Anupama now and then.. But Hasmukh never once regretted for not being useful...

Bapuji ke useless hone se aur vanraj ke kabil hone se bhi ye fact nahi change hota ki at the end vanraj hi ek abusive pati nikla. Kisi bhi ladki se puchh lo, poll kara lo, agar duniya mein ye do hi options bache hai pati banane ke liye, ek gareeb aur lazy dusra sari aish dega lekin bahar chakkar chalayega aur din raat beizzati karega to har ladki first option hi chunegi.

Bhashan se, Gynan ki moti baant ne se , ghar par income Nahi aati hai.. unless you have a college crush who is a billionaire and approves all your shit ideas to keep in touch..

This can be solely blamed on writers. Anuj is billionaire waha tak to theek tha but anu is shown having brilliant ideas and very artistic, a natural talent who was never given a chance to shine so when they move story in yhat direction and make us believe that anu's idea was that much great that a multimillionaire will fund her idea then they should have given her atleast a really good sounding, convincing idea not the mahila morcha one.

Being successful doesn’t give a right to insult others but they are definitely better than useless people who just sits, eats and do pravachan..

Everyone in the forum including ME and Rein agrees Vanraj is a Chauvinist BUT at the same time nobody wishes to have a Useless husband like Hasmukh too..

Abusers either dont have right to extend family and then keep insulting wife in front of the children also. Nobody should be made to pay the price of their attitude.

Bapuji and vanraj are both wrong choices to have as life partner. Vanraj in no way is better than bapuji just because he earned well.

One who steps back to take responsibilities have no right to have Kids and also such people doesn’t qualify to give lectures to others on how to behave and live..

Then why vanraj, kavya, baa, toshu keeps giving lectures to everyone who doesn't want to live life their way.

May be i have misunderstood the post of @Rein 123 and some of your points also. But people tend to say a lot of things in flow when in a debate which we dont really mean, dont want to hurt someone's sentiments and don't want to come out as an someone who supports cheating and abuse of any kind. This is just a forum and we all get carried away at some point because one or other things act like a trigger.

So from myside, i rest my case here. Wont indulge in any.more debate because clearly there is no end to it.

I apologize if any of my comment hurt anyone. Everyone is entitled to have own opinion. Noone should judge on that basis.

Peace people.

Originally posted by: Rein123

P.S.

I am very happy that Anupamaa has finally moved out of the house and truly appreciate her for that, coming to Baa she was completely wrong to barge into the kaarkhaana and create a scene before the entire family and Bapuji or hasmukh was right to tell her off.

However the language he used with her where he was claiming sole ownership over the property and treating Baa like she is a freeloader of some kind, that was wrong. And I can understand why she reacted and ranted before everyone in the harshest manner regarding his economic status and ability.

Yes Vanraj was wrong, he is a chauvinist and what not, but he was always a good son, brother and father. He too has made a lot of sacrifices which are indeed being overlooked while Anupamaa's are being put on a pedestal.

They can go and celebrate Diwali or any festival they want with Anupamaa, but is it right to neglect Vanraj, Baa, Kavya and Leela in this process? Like spending the entire day with her but leaving the Shah house empty? That is also wrong.

I am not saying that it isn't true. A lot of what Leeta gives you an insight into what she might have gone through. She had not seen any happiness - and by the happiness I mean what she had expected from her life when she was with Bapuji and Vanraj gave all that to her. It also explains her bias towards Vanraj and her behaviour towards Anupama.

But she should have handled the situation better. If she knew that Bapuji will be going to Anupama house and that he would be favourable to her what was the need to incite him more. kar lene deti na unko. But her ego and her need to control things her own way took over her. Her overconfidence that no matter how you treat people they will not reply back or do anything to her got the better of her. The same thing that happened with Anupama. She just wanted Anupama to do as she pleases and when she didnt get it she kept on hitting, again and again,- thinking ki she is not going anywhere but she left. The same thing happened with Bapuji. Usko laga ki if I insult them so much and tell such bad things about them they will understand that they are nothing and they will have no option but to come back to her but things went haywire for her.

The words that she said were hurtful really very hurtful. No one literally no one deserves to be treated the way she treated bapuji her own husband in front of everyone. Yes, money is important but people have a much worse life than this. She had a loving home, good in-laws, a nice husband who supported her. But she didn't see any of that. All she saw was their money deficit.

Nobody is saying that Vanraj never did anything for their parent. yes he was an amazing son and still is but does that give you the right to insult or destroy other people's life like that. What right does he have to involve himself so much in Anupama's life when he himself has moved on. If he loves his parents so much then respect your father's wishes let her be. But no his ego took him over. When he knows that his father doesn't like him interfering so much in Anupama's life so much to kyun karta hain.

Baa and Vanraj have done a lot for this family but that doesn't give them the right to behave this way with Anupama or Bapuji.

If according to Baa Bhapuji used to earn 400₹ then that wa 40000 of today's value things were not the costly in one rupee you could may things. Hey when I was kid I could still buy 2 chocolates in one rupee. My mother used to earn 200 rupees and used to manage the whole house and take care of 2 younger brother and sister. Now I don't know whether Bhapuji had any sisters or brothers assuming as no cousin is shown that he is single child leela had enough money I think she used not spend her money wisely. Over that I think as leelas brother also staying with her she was treated very well or do you think would any one let their brother in law to stay with them. It seems leela never appreciated people around her. To a person to grow people in the house should support. Leela actually seems like a person who always find fault in everything. Or a person who doesn't know what she wants and extremely double standard person

Behavior and earning-money are two different things.

And whatever was told today about Shah's financial condition was from Leela's perspective. And who told that bapuji was completely useless? He was earning money and not sitting inside the house, peeling peanuts. Only thing was that the money he was earning was not enough for his family, unfortunately. So,his son had to go and work along with pursuing his own education.

And here people are not really hating vanraj because of his affair with Kavya but moreover because of his abusive treatment to anu during and after the marriage.

You can be doing 100's of good things in the past, but your one evil act spoils it all.

If you are saying that hasmukh never showed regret for what he couldn't give his family, then please see the episode again. His one way of compensating for the loss was by being silent for many years whenever his wife or son used to misbehave with anu, not saying it was the right conduct, but that was his way of dealing with it.

And does it mean that just because you brought in less money in the family (the reasons behind of it we don't know clearly, was it because of lack of hardwork or lack of opportunities?) you need to stay like a puppet and not even try to make your spouse show the right moral behavior?

Hasmukh hasn't been an abusive or vile husband like vanraj to leela, he has always loved and supported his wife, so just because he lacked on the money department, his wife's misbehavior with him and others get justified?

Dear,

No women in this world would like to marry either Vanraj or Hasmukh..

One takes up responsibilities, provides a better life but not loyal and also rude to the spouse.

The other steps back from the responsibilities, do nothing, leave the family to poverty.. doesn’t even pay for children’s education and also passes his duties to his child who is very young but he behaves decently with is wife..

Here, both are not eligible to step into the institution of marriage..

When you are choosing a Man for you.. You are not only choosing your husband but also father to your kids.

In both the cases above.. the woman is going to suffer as WIFE in marrying anyone of them, but children of the first person atleast don’t suffer.. they will be provided with Good education, Clothing and Food..

No one here is sympathising with Baa.. She is not bechari.. nobody is bechara or bechari over there..

Rein123 and Me both of us are not in support of Vanraj or Baa .. We are just presenting another perspective..

Thanks for debating with me, I enjoyed the coversation.. Take care 🤗

Originally posted by: vivacious

Dear,

No women in this world would like to marry either Vanraj or Hasmukh..

One takes up responsibilities, provides a better life but not loyal and also rude to the spouse.

The other steps back from the responsibilities, do nothing, leave the family to poverty.. doesn’t even pay for children’s education and also passes his duties to his child who is very young but he behaves decently with is wife..

Here, both are not eligible to step into the institution of marriage..

When you are choosing a Man for you.. You are not only choosing your husband but also father to your kids.

In both the cases above.. the woman is going to suffer as WIFE in marrying anyone of them, but children of the first person atleast don’t suffer.. they will be provided with Good education, Clothing and Food..

No one here is sympathising with Baa.. She is not bechari.. nobody is bechara or bechari over there..

Rein123 and Me both of us are not in support of Vanraj or Baa .. We are just presenting another perspective..

Thanks for debating with me, I enjoyed the coversation.. Take care 🤗

We are saying based on Baa that Hasmukh didn't earn well. But my take is he could only educate one kid with his earnings.

Originally posted by: janaki17789

Still Toshu has not earned anything in life by his own efforts. He is essentially a failure like his father. His job and penthouse was a way Rakhi could control him and through him Kinjal. His education was completely funded by Vanraj.

While Samar is touching new heights every day. Samar did not drop of college because he did not want to complete education. But because he hated and hates his father for what he did to his mother and hence does not want to depend on him for anything.

That is not an excuse to drop out of school or college.

Regarding Pakki it's yet to be seen

By that logic even anupama has gotten the house and the kaarkhana from her father in law which got taken away in the end. So like mother like son i guess. You can't say he didn't earn anything in life through his own efforts, getting a scholarship takes efforts and he managed to get that on his own so no his education was not completely funded by Vanraj as you have written above. Sometimes things just don't work out for you even if you happen to be a top ranker in college, and if someone throws you a lifeline it's okay. Rakhi may have given him the job but it's not like he is sitting idle and was getting paid for nothing? There are a lot of people who literally get work merely based on connections already and yes that is nepotism, but guess what? Employers don't care as long as the job is getting done.

And on what basis are you saying Vanraj is a failure? he is earning now isn't he? He is the one who was providing for the family for 25 plus years, he is the one who took up the responsibility of the finances all this while, if your reasoning is that he was not able to get hired then that is normal in his field considering his age and if I were to go by your logic then wouldn't that make Anupamaa also a failure all this while?

Originally posted by: Tvfanatic85

I am not saying that it isn't true. A lot of what Leeta gives you an insight into what she might have gone through. She had not seen any happiness - and by the happiness I mean what she had expected from her life when she was with Bapuji and Vanraj gave all that to her. It also explains her bias towards Vanraj and her behaviour towards Anupama.

But she should have handled the situation better. If she knew that Bapuji will be going to Anupama house and that he would be favourable to her what was the need to incite him more. kar lene deti na unko. But her ego and her need to control things her own way took over her. Her overconfidence that no matter how you treat people they will not reply back or do anything to her got the better of her. The same thing that happened with Anupama. She just wanted Anupama to do as she pleases and when she didnt get it she kept on hitting, again and again,- thinking ki she is not going anywhere but she left. The same thing happened with Bapuji. Usko laga ki if I insult them so much and tell such bad things about them they will understand that they are nothing and they will have no option but to come back to her but things went haywire for her.

The words that she said were hurtful really very hurtful. No one literally no one deserves to be treated the way she treated bapuji her own husband in front of everyone. Yes, money is important but people have a much worse life than this. She had a loving home, good in-laws, a nice husband who supported her. But she didn't see any of that. All she saw was their money deficit.

Nobody is saying that Vanraj never did anything for their parent. yes he was an amazing son and still is but does that give you the right to insult or destroy other people's life like that. What right does he have to involve himself so much in Anupama's life when he himself has moved on. If he loves his parents so much then respect your father's wishes let her be. But no his ego took him over. When he knows that his father doesn't like him interfering so much in Anupama's life so much to kyun karta hain.

Baa and Vanraj have done a lot for this family but that doesn't give them the right to behave this way with Anupama or Bapuji.

I agree, from what i have observed this woman is very materialistic judging by how she would scream at Anupamaa over mere expenses here and there when it came to her maayka. So I am not surprised that she would place more importance on money over love.