Originally posted by: Mahisa22
Firstly, I haven't seen either of those movies, in fact, I've never seen any of Elliot's movies.
In my childhood, there were one or two guys in my class who were very feminine, behaved and talked like girls and had very feminine mannerisms. One even reportedly liked to put on make up. The class teased them and called them "ladyboys". It was cruel and shameful, but there was no awareness about it back then.
Today I know that they were trans. Back then I/we did not know that word, but we did know that they were like girls trapped in boy's bodies. We could see that they talked and behaved like girls.
THIS is what I meant when I said that transwomen are easily identifiable from their mannerisms (when they've not transitioned).
Your Elliot Page example is not valid here since I haven't seen his movies, nor do I know him in person to identify how his mannerisms were prior to coming out.
I think this is some dangerous and unfair stereotyping. It happens a lot, often unintentionally.
The fact is that there is no one way to be a man (or a woman). It changes individually and culturally. Just because a man has interests and behaviors that we deem "feminine" does not mean that they are gay or transgender women. They might just be cisgender heterosexual men, with different interests.
In the realm of Kpop and Jpop, men adapt what is considered female mannerisms in the west. They wear make-up and engage in high fashion. They have androgynous hair and appearances. Most of them are actually cisgender heterosexuals.
Men, unfortunately, have a lot of pressure to perform masculinity. Women are allowed to have an interest in sports or other things deemed male activities. They can cut their hair short, wear pants, and people accept it. She's a tomboy, a cool girl, or not like other girls. Very rarely is she told that she is not being feminine enough. People rarely assume a woman is gay or transgender. It is the other extreme where two women are often assumed to be just friends until they explicitly have to declare they are in a relationship.
I won't deny that stereotypes exist. There are definitely certain behaviors that might indicate a person's sexual orientation or gender identity. But there are always exceptions and it is best not to assume because it can be hurtful.
I'll reiterate there is no one way to be a man (or a woman.) Some men feel a need to perform so-called masculine behaviors like hitting the gym and dressing a certain way. Some men are comfortable doing activities or wearing clothes that other men deem feminine. Just because some men find these things uncomfortable, unattractive, or disconcerting doesn't mean they can force their view of masculinity on everyone. And maybe a person is indeed, gay, bi, or transgender - but that is not for us to judge or assume based on their behavior. Its for them to decide and tell us.
Its best to treat every individual as a human and never tease, disparage, or degrade them if they engage in any behavior that is out of the norm.
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