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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: raji02

as far as i understand, most govt employees have salary accounts. all the retirement benefits will be credited to the account. it might take a couple of months.

what i meant by sai just turning major is maybe a couple of months before or so. people usually don’t go to bank immediately. who would have thought that her life would change so drastically in a couple of days? she can transfer the account somewhere else but for that as well first death settlement of her father needs to be done, amount transferred on her name and then the account can be shifted to nagpur.

sorry if it is too much of info.☺️☺️


Aah, I see, thanks.


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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9

Humne virat ke baare mein discuss kar liya ab hume sai ke baare mein bhi kuch discuss karna chahiye.


Why sai was forced to agree to Virat's condition ? Infact she can take it as an excuse to refuse marriage.


She would had thought something before marrying virat with condition that what will she do after 5 yrs or what if virat don't fulfill his promise.


Sai is person who don't agree to anyone easily specially virat she don't agree with him on anything why she agreed on this .


Yes Virat dint ran away but still sai should look after other ways as she was not looking for marriage.


Virat was actually no one to decide for her , she herself she has nothing to do with what happened with KJ & virat


Let discuss.


I would like to put in my 2 cents thoughts,

I pray in real life the tragedy that befall on Sai; should not befall on anyone; but I would add one more question to the mix


Why did Sai held Virat responsible, when she was told by other officers that KJ chose himself to go on that mission and she was repeatedly told by KJ how is duty comes first???



The answer to both the question is simple: "She was not thinking".

I do not wish this on anyone but I lost my father at the age of 16, it was sudden like one day he was there next day he was not.I had my mother but I saw people turn whom I knew since childhood in matters of seconds.It hurt me, but I was not pondering on it as I was numb and I was in that state for whole one year, where i made my life's aim and focused on it, I was not taking descisions I was merely reacting to situations so much that my mother even started telling people about my 180°change in behaviour and character.


Don't worry , I am not going to bore you guys with my sob story; The point of telling you this when you lose one of your parent / parents it has life changing effect on you but more than that; you become clueless and go in a vegetative state where you react to situations, not take desicions...


With Sai it was worse because first her father was not only her father but everything..her family, her bbest friend , her whole world..


Second, I believe she somehow blamed herself for her father's demise.


Just for one second ; put yourself in her shoes, if your family is killed because they were defending you by the people responsible for your harrasment; won't you think it would have been better that you could have died ; to spare your family.


We all do, especially women because sometimes its embedded in our DNA to take responsibilty of everyone and everything.


It was one of her unconscious reasons where she took the step of suicide(I am not supporting it)


Next she saw people who were with her since childhood; were ready to get rid of her, no matter how noble the thoughts were; (trust me there are people in actual life with less than noble thoughts at that point of time when you don't have anyone to look after you)and there was Virat giving her out of the situation with attached T&C; Sai was let down by the people she knew her whole life and she reacyed according to the situation as it was the "Best Deal" she was getting.


Again I would like to emphasize that she was not taking a well informed descision(becoz if she was takingvthe desicion she would have discussed it with UM atleast) but no she was reacting to the situation.


Other two questions that were raised by this question is Was the step of getting married was right or wrong??


It was both right and wrong; Right becoz at that time, after moving to CN , she was able to move on with her life and Virat when agreed to marry her somehow knew this...however bad, criminal are Chavans they do not lack in problems and daily dose of drama and the same thing gave Sai an opportunity to focus on others problems than her own.I strictly believe she is still "Reacting Phase"; where she is reacting on what is served on to her plate rather than thinking with clear head..


The step of getting married was wrong because.. now she has replaced her Aaba with Virat, instead of facing and accepting her loss she is compensating it with Virat..

Note: I am not talking about verbal acceptance that her guardian is no more; but both consicious and sub consicious level that she has to survive alone in this big bad world.

She does things and do not think about repurcursions becoz she on sub concious level she knows Virat will clean the mess like her used to Aaba do!!


But Virat is not her father, he is her husband and husbands unlike father's have a breaking point at patience and Virat's is near ,not because Sai is wrong but because of external factors including the barrage of taunts he faces from his family on her behalf, Sai's unacceptance of his affection..


Sai's affection to Virat is not out of love or attraction; its out of love for the position that Virat holds in her life.


But Virat's affection is of a husband which needs to reciprocated or it will take bad turn.


That's why seperation is required by Virat's hands ; as it would shake Sai out of her Stupor, that Virat is not her father; who will clean all her messes and she needs to grow and be responsible.


I am hoping to see a more responsible Sai in future who is awaken from her Reactive state because that Sai would be lethal..


We all love when Sai takes down her opponents logically; she has done it all in total of 2 times till now; first time when she was pushed to a corner and second was when Virat being accused but total calm Sai with Therav would be a treat to watch.


Also, this Sai would be an actual partner to Virat; not a zimmedari but a true partner and only when Virat is kicked of the pedestal that she has given him as her Aaba's she would start acknowledging the partner Virat is and her attraction/love to that partner.


Like , Once DIG said "Sai Heera hai" but according to me "Iss Heere ko taraashna baaki hai" and diamond however valuable it is , without polishing is a glorified rock only!!!


Hope CV's can do justice with that!!


This was my 2 cents thought( kuch zyada hi lamba ho gaya😅) but I would like your thoughts as well!!

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sairat


I would like to put in my 2 cents thoughts,

I pray in real life the tragedy that befall on Sai; should not befall on anyone; but I would add one more question to the mix


Why did Sai held Virat responsible, when she was told by other officers that KJ chose himself to go on that mission and she was repeatedly told by KJ how is duty comes first???



The answer to both the question is simple: "She was not thinking".

I do not wish this on anyone but I lost my father at the age of 16, it was sudden like one day he was there next day he was not.I had my mother but I saw people turn whom I knew since childhood in matters of seconds.It hurt me, but I was not pondering on it as I was numb and I was in that state for whole one year, where i made my life's aim and focused on it, I was not taking descisions I was merely reacting to situations so much that my mother even started telling people about my 180°change in behaviour and character.


Don't worry , I am not going to bore you guys with my sob story; The point of telling you this when you lose one of your parent / parents it has life changing effect on you but more than that; you become clueless and go in a vegetative state where you react to situations, not take desicions...


With Sai it was worse because first her father was not only her father but everything..her family, her bbest friend , her whole world..


Second, I believe she somehow blamed herself for her father's demise.


Just for one second ; put yourself in her shoes, if your family is killed because they were defending you by the people responsible for your harrasment; won't you think it would have been better that you could have died ; to spare your family.


We all do, especially women because sometimes its embedded in our DNA to take responsibilty of everyone and everything.


It was one of her unconscious reasons where she took the step of suicide(I am not supporting it)


Next she saw people who were with her since childhood; were ready to get rid of her, no matter how noble the thoughts were; (trust me there are people in actual life with less than noble thoughts at that point of time when you don't have anyone to look after you)and there was Virat giving her out of the situation with attached T&C; Sai was let down by the people she knew her whole life and she reacyed according to the situation as it was the "Best Deal" she was getting.


Again I would like to emphasize that she was not taking a well informed descision(becoz if she was takingvthe desicion she would have discussed it with UM atleast) but no she was reacting to the situation.


Other two questions that were raised by this question is Was the step of getting married was right or wrong??


It was both right and wrong; Right becoz at that time, after moving to CN , she was able to move on with her life and Virat when agreed to marry her somehow knew this...however bad, criminal are Chavans they do not lack in problems and daily dose of drama and the same thing gave Sai an opportunity to focus on others problems than her own.I strictly believe she is still "Reacting Phase"; where she is reacting on what is served on to her plate rather than thinking with clear head..


The step of getting married was wrong because.. now she has replaced her Aaba with Virat, instead of facing and accepting her loss she is compensating it with Virat..

Note: I am not talking about verbal acceptance that her guardian is no more; but both consicious and sub consicious level that she has to survive alone in this big bad world.

She does things and do not think about repurcursions becoz she on sub concious level she knows Virat will clean the mess like her used to Aaba do!!


But Virat is not her father, he is her husband and husbands unlike father's have a breaking point at patience and Virat's is near ,not because Sai is wrong but because of external factors including the barrage of taunts he faces from his family on her behalf, Sai's unacceptance of his affection..


Sai's affection to Virat is not out of love or attraction; its out of love for the position that Virat holds in her life.


But Virat's affection is of a husband which needs to reciprocated or it will take bad turn.


That's why seperation is required by Virat's hands ; as it would shake Sai out of her Stupor, that Virat is not her father; who will clean all her messes and she needs to grow and be responsible.


I am hoping to see a more responsible Sai in future who is awaken from her Reactive state because that Sai would be lethal..


We all love when Sai takes down her opponents logically; she has done it all in total of 2 times till now; first time when she was pushed to a corner and second was when Virat being accused but total calm Sai with Therav would be a treat to watch.


Also, this Sai would be an actual partner to Virat; not a zimmedari but a true partner and only when Virat is kicked of the pedestal that she has given him as her Aaba's she would start acknowledging the partner Virat is and her attraction/love to that partner.


Like , Once DIG said "Sai Heera hai" but according to me "Iss Heere ko taraashna baaki hai" and diamond however valuable it is , without polishing is a glorified rock only!!!


Hope CV's can do justice with that!!


This was my 2 cents thought( kuch zyada hi lamba ho gaya😅) but I would like your thoughts as well!!

thank you for tagging me in this!

Firstly sorry about your dad. As you mentioned it’s hard to lose your parent especially at a young age..


coming to Sai I completely agree with you. She hasn’t grieved at all. Post abbas death rituals she tried to commit suicide and post that she was married off to Virat, going into a new home and adjusting to a family that is not only not accepting her but is downright evil.

We have seen many time when virat makes a mistake sai talks to her Abbas picture because as you mentioned Sai sees abba in Virat. She looks at him not as her husband. I think the whole husband wife thing is also alien to her because she has never seen a couple co habitat.. she father was single post her mother’s earth. We have no backstory on UM but I’m guessing she too is alone.. and on top of that she is 18/19 years old.. a tender age where we are still developing our thoughts usually making a transition from school to college.


another factor that influences her behaviour is the harassment. I can say this from personal experience because I’ve been harassed many times not necessarily physically but mentally and emotionally that even if you move in (without actually addressing the whole topi) it stays in your subconscious and unconscious mind. It will always affect your decision making that is why it is extremely important to seek help, this was also show during the v day track...


Her grief, pain, fear and attachment to things all stems from these two incidents and the fact that she had always been protected by abba.

Now with Virat she is alone, not saying he has left her alone but he also has a job, he cannot stay with her 24/7 and the lack of acceptance from his family also affects her. To top it all off she is always blamed for entering virats life!! And virats ehsaan on her, her feeling Virat still loves pakhi and her own feeling for him (attachment).


so this whole separation track is to make both virat out of his vaada and into the realization of his love for Sai and Sai to realize that virats is not abba and she cannot expect the same things from him that a father did.. it will be the learning of relationship for her, the relationship of a husband and wife!


(Fabulously explained Priyanshi)



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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Svt611

thank you for tagging me in this!

Firstly sorry about your dad. As you mentioned it’s hard to lose your parent especially at a young age..


coming to Sai I completely agree with you. She hasn’t grieved at all. Post abbas death rituals she tried to commit suicide and post that she was married off to Virat, going into a new home and adjusting to a family that is not only not accepting her but is downright evil.

I would not called downright evil, it was the best anyone could have done at that point, when she got married was to get removed from that situation be the reason maybe Mane family or to give her something else to focus on..which was neccasary at that point.Niether Virat nor anyone had a better option than.

It was the best they could do!!! But was best than is not neccasarily best Now!!


Its high time , Sai should snap out of it merely because she cannot afford to be in this state anymore!!! for her own benefit.

We have seen many time when virat makes a mistake sai talks to her Abbas picture because as you mentioned Sai sees abba in Virat. She looks at him not as her husband. I think the whole husband wife thing is also alien to her because she has never seen a couple co habitat.. she father was single post her mother’s earth. We have no backstory on UM but I’m guessing she too is alone.. and on top of that she is 18/19 years old.. a tender age where we are still developing our thoughts usually making a transition from school to college.


Exactly!! This is also one of the contributing reasons.


another factor that influences her behaviour is the harassment. I can say this from personal experience because I’ve been harassed many times not necessarily physically but mentally and emotionally that even if you move in (without actually addressing the whole topi) it stays in your subconscious and unconscious mind. It will always affect your decision making that is why it is extremely important to seek help, this was also show during the v day track...

I am so sorry !! to hear that you have to go from something like that..I personally believe harrassing someone is worse than murder becoz with murder you die once, but with harrasment you die everytime , the memory of what was done to you resurfaces!!!

Her grief, pain, fear and attachment to things all stems from these two incidents and the fact that she had always been protected by abba.

Now with Virat she is alone, not saying he has left her alone but he also has a job, he cannot stay with her 24/7 and the lack of acceptance from his family also affects her. To top it all off she is always blamed for entering virats life!! And virats ehsaan on her, her feeling Virat still loves pakhi and her own feeling for him (attachment).


so this whole separation track is to make both virat out of his vaada and into the realization of his love for Sai and Sai to realize that virats is not abba and she cannot expect the same things from him that a father did.. it will be the learning of relationship for her, the relationship of a husband and wife!


(Fabulously explained Priyanshi)




Thank you for inputing your valuable thoughts...🥰


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Posted: 4 years ago
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You have replied really well.. Mentioned all the points.. Like I also said in my other post, its the feeling that GC people dont really want to take her responsibility and she does not want to be a burden to them.. Then again what you said, its easy to fight parents but not the ones who have taken care of you as a parents..However close you are, you feel obliged towards fulfilling their wishes and demands from you. Its like itna kuch kiya hai unhone mere liye, mana kaise karun.. Its kind of a payback. Its easy for me to shout at my mom, when we have differences but not on my aunt who is a mausi to me.. Because you know there is a distance that has to be maintained.. So her decision.. Sai was not being forcefully married in a way mentioned, like on gun point..But she was being married without her wish. To her it appeared that after her Aaba,no one really wanted to take care of her as such..You feel like a forcefully added burden.. And she is too young to take care of her self and be alone considering what she went through just 2 days back.. So yeah thats to it.. She is a self respecting girl and would not want to live forcefully with someone..


About Virat , yeah she has been infatuated by him..Infatuation also leads to at times, verbal fights ..thats how you attain attention from the one you are infatuated to..For Sai that was the case..She has always been uncomfortable with the mention of Pakhi by Virat, even when she did not know Virat properly or the relationship he shared with Pakhi..

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sairat


I would like to put in my 2 cents thoughts,

I pray in real life the tragedy that befall on Sai; should not befall on anyone; but I would add one more question to the mix


Why did Sai held Virat responsible, when she was told by other officers that KJ chose himself to go on that mission and she was repeatedly told by KJ how is duty comes first???



The answer to both the question is simple: "She was not thinking".

I do not wish this on anyone but I lost my father at the age of 16, it was sudden like one day he was there next day he was not.I had my mother but I saw people turn whom I knew since childhood in matters of seconds.It hurt me, but I was not pondering on it as I was numb and I was in that state for whole one year, where i made my life's aim and focused on it, I was not taking descisions I was merely reacting to situations so much that my mother even started telling people about my 180°change in behaviour and character.


Don't worry , I am not going to bore you guys with my sob story; The point of telling you this when you lose one of your parent / parents it has life changing effect on you but more than that; you become clueless and go in a vegetative state where you react to situations, not take desicions...


With Sai it was worse because first her father was not only her father but everything..her family, her bbest friend , her whole world..


Second, I believe she somehow blamed herself for her father's demise.


Just for one second ; put yourself in her shoes, if your family is killed because they were defending you by the people responsible for your harrasment; won't you think it would have been better that you could have died ; to spare your family.


We all do, especially women because sometimes its embedded in our DNA to take responsibilty of everyone and everything.


It was one of her unconscious reasons where she took the step of suicide(I am not supporting it)


Next she saw people who were with her since childhood; were ready to get rid of her, no matter how noble the thoughts were; (trust me there are people in actual life with less than noble thoughts at that point of time when you don't have anyone to look after you)and there was Virat giving her out of the situation with attached T&C; Sai was let down by the people she knew her whole life and she reacyed according to the situation as it was the "Best Deal" she was getting.


Again I would like to emphasize that she was not taking a well informed descision(becoz if she was takingvthe desicion she would have discussed it with UM atleast) but no she was reacting to the situation.


Other two questions that were raised by this question is Was the step of getting married was right or wrong??


It was both right and wrong; Right becoz at that time, after moving to CN , she was able to move on with her life and Virat when agreed to marry her somehow knew this...however bad, criminal are Chavans they do not lack in problems and daily dose of drama and the same thing gave Sai an opportunity to focus on others problems than her own.I strictly believe she is still "Reacting Phase"; where she is reacting on what is served on to her plate rather than thinking with clear head..


The step of getting married was wrong because.. now she has replaced her Aaba with Virat, instead of facing and accepting her loss she is compensating it with Virat..

Note: I am not talking about verbal acceptance that her guardian is no more; but both consicious and sub consicious level that she has to survive alone in this big bad world.

She does things and do not think about repurcursions becoz she on sub concious level she knows Virat will clean the mess like her used to Aaba do!!


But Virat is not her father, he is her husband and husbands unlike father's have a breaking point at patience and Virat's is near ,not because Sai is wrong but because of external factors including the barrage of taunts he faces from his family on her behalf, Sai's unacceptance of his affection..


Sai's affection to Virat is not out of love or attraction; its out of love for the position that Virat holds in her life.


But Virat's affection is of a husband which needs to reciprocated or it will take bad turn.


That's why seperation is required by Virat's hands ; as it would shake Sai out of her Stupor, that Virat is not her father; who will clean all her messes and she needs to grow and be responsible.


I am hoping to see a more responsible Sai in future who is awaken from her Reactive state because that Sai would be lethal..


We all love when Sai takes down her opponents logically; she has done it all in total of 2 times till now; first time when she was pushed to a corner and second was when Virat being accused but total calm Sai with Therav would be a treat to watch.


Also, this Sai would be an actual partner to Virat; not a zimmedari but a true partner and only when Virat is kicked of the pedestal that she has given him as her Aaba's she would start acknowledging the partner Virat is and her attraction/love to that partner.


Like , Once DIG said "Sai Heera hai" but according to me "Iss Heere ko taraashna baaki hai" and diamond however valuable it is , without polishing is a glorified rock only!!!


Hope CV's can do justice with that!!


This was my 2 cents thought( kuch zyada hi lamba ho gaya😅) but I would like your thoughts as well!!

Thanks for the tag . I am so sorry to know about your dad . I can relate to what you have shared . My close cousin underwent something similar after losing her dad and my mom lost her dad when she was very young so I know how tough it is . Here is my view about the questions raised by Deepika


For Sai , KJ was everything and losing him meant losing all the hopes in life . I can’t imagine how painful it is to lose the only person in her life . He was her dad, friend and her companion. Along with the grief, she had to deal with uncertainties in life . No matter what we say about progressive world , a young women becomes a easy target and there are men ready to take advantage of her . Trauma made her react the way she did . She was in trauma and she said things she never meant . I also see this way . We vent and take our frustrations on people close to us . Unknowingly, Virat was next closer person to her after her father and Maushi otherwise why would she think about him when she attempted suicide . She wasn’t sure what she was saying and what her heart believed and wanted . She was saying she doesn’t trust him and doesn’t want him to be present during her discharge from the hospital but at the same time her heart wanted him to be present with her . When she went to to talk to him about her marriage , she wasn’t happy to know he was in the city yet he didn’t come to the hospital . Her mind wanted to blame someone for her Aaba’s death but her heart wanted the same person because it knew he was innocent.


Now coming to refusing the marriage, I have always said this and my stance hasn’t changed . Sai could have easily refused the marriage if she wanted . She wasn’t forced to marry . Just look at Devkit marriage, she is fighting with everyone for something she believes in . Don’t you think she would have done this for herself if she didn’t wanted to marry Virat . She is someone who cannot be forced especially for something like marriage. I believe when she refused she didn’t do it wholeheartedly. Somewhere she wanted to marry Virat because her father trusted him with her , she knew what kind of man he was and her fans might not like it but she was afraid of facing everything alone . She needed a family and some security in life( let me clarify this is not equivalent to hold digger ) . Every individual on this earth needs some kind of security and assurance in life .


Now coming to whether this marriage was right decision. IMO , it’s the best decision. Sai got a loving MIL who treats her like a daughter and a husband who respects her and her dreams . He will fight tooth and nail for her rights . He might not have loved her at the time of marriage but she will be his world soon . I don’t give importance to normal fights between couples where they hurt each other due to ego . It’s normal among any couple . Married people can relate to it . Marriage is not a one day affair , one needs to work on it everyday to keep it going .


I don’t know if I made sense

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: laksh

Interestingly, Sai had 2 options for the marriage proposal.


1. Yes I will marry you even after all your conditions and accept this with your commitment.

2. Yes I will marry you but I cannot accept you with your commitments or accept to any of your conditions.


No was never a choice for her

- Villagers (who are her well wishers) including Usha Maushi (who is her maa samaan) wanted her to marry Virat.

- she tried telling no to them but Usha Maushi objected to it and got upset with Sai.

Usha Maushi as we all know is not Sai's mom, she was someone who took care of her and Kamal sir was helping her by letting her stay with them taking help from her to take care of his house and his daughter in his presence or in his absence.

They are obligated to her and Sai also respects her.

If it was her own Mom or Dad, she would have taken the liberty to decline Virat's marriage proposal.

Not accepting to Usha Maushi or not listening to her would mean disrespecting her or also convey Maushi that you are no one to me and you do not have rights to inferfere in my personal matter.

Sai didn't want Usha Maushi to think that

: she didn't listen to Maushi only because she is no one to her,

: she didn't want her Maushi to think that she has no rights in taking decisions about Sai's life.

"Unki baat ki maan rakhne ke liye" Sai ke paas haan bolne ke alava ek aur ek rastha tha aur woh tha Virat ka 'na'.


I wholeheartedly agree. At one glance one may feel that saying yes just to keep Usha happy is not a valid reason, but it wasn't just about listening or not listening to advice of someone who always took care of you. To not listen to her would have indirectly sent the message that you are just a servant not my real family.


- so her next no, is not a 'no' not from her but from Virat which she tried by asking him to backoff but he had refused.

- she also knew and understood that her Dad gave Virat her responsibility and she also understood that the villagers weren't in a position to take care of her and they also didn't want to let her live alone. The only option they gave her was to get married.

- if she didn't have to listen to or respect her well wishers, she would have preferred to stay alone and accept whatever challenges life threw on her.

She once spoke to her Aaba's photo that she was planning to do some chota mota course in GC which clearly shows that she didn't care whether she could become a doctor or not.

She didn't want anyone's mercy on her or for anyone to take her responsibility.

She wasn't looking for a support or a person who will help her achieving her dreams or her Dad's dreams.

Also, if she had not tried to commit suicide, as per the original plan Virat would have left GC and Sai would have lived her life on her own.

Also even if she had tried to commit suicide and Virat had not come to save her and someone else saved her and if Virat didn't come to know of it and didn't return to GC, even then Sai would have lived on her own.


To this I would also like to add one point, Sai is someone who doesn't deal well with loneliness. Yes she is strong enough to take care of herself in a hostel and live alone physically, definitely she is. But she is also someone who needs somebody else to look after her emotionally. That doesn't in any way make her weak. She just is that way. Even when KJ was on deathbed, when marriage was not on his mind, when suicide had not happened, he asked Virat to take Sai's responsibility. I don't think he meant just financially, he knew Sai is smart, she will get scholarships and had saved money for her. He meant as a friend (which later turned to marriage) because he knew Sai needs someone. Let's not think about future now and just see what has already happened. No matter how much Sai and Virat may fight, at the end of the day, she knows Virat will be there for her.


Let's talk about the only two options she had

Yes I will marry you but I cannot accept you with your commitments or accept to any of your conditions.

Virat refused to backoff from the marriage.

Sai's question

"Aap toh mujhse pyar nahi karte na?"

To know what he thinks and why does he want to get married.

"Nafrat bhi kahan karta hoon"


Next question

"Pakhi ka kya"

Virat then realised that he has to clarify that it is not an actual marriage and that he was only taking her responsibility and that he has promised someone else that he cannot give that someone else's position to anyone in his life and will not be able to love or act as a husband.

Virat conveyed the same to Sai.


Sai's thoughts

If Sai had said she was okay to marry but cannot agree to those conditions, what would have Virat thought

1. that Sai is actually okay to marry

- did she want to marry me?

- was she interested to marry me?

- does she have any feelings for me?

- if she is okay to marry, why did she in first place say that she doesn't want to marry me and why did she ask me to backoff?


2 Sai wants it to be a legitimate marriage?

Which means

- Sai wants me to be my wife and all rights as that of a wife?

- Sai wants me to be her husband, act her husband?


Sai is a person who values her self respect. When she had no choice to say 'no', she had a choice of saying

Yes with all conditions or

Yes but I don't accept your conditions


Sai's self respect was in question. The guy was setting conditions and her challenging him about the conditions or his commitment would be like compromising her self respect which at any cost she wouldn't.


Definitely agree. If you guys remember in the episode when Vithal had filed complaint against Virat and Sai and Virat were fighting and Pakhi watching, Sai said I asked you tell your family but you did not listen to me and then she says "Aur kisi se nahi to kam se kam apni iss best friend ko to bata dete." Virat, already frustrated and angry, felt attacked, did he not? He then proceeds to say "ye sab keh ke tum saabit kya karna chahti ho? Ki mai tumhe pehle se pasand karta tha aur is liye tum se shaadi karna chaah raha tha?" This is what would have happened. Again if we ignore the future, and just talk about that particular situation, what wasn't in Sai's favor? He was offering to get her educated, give her social security for nothing in return. He was offering all of this and saying she doesn't even have to perform her duties or contribute to the relationship as a wife. Considering Sai didn't want to marry him in the first place, this was ideal for her. She doesn't have to be his wife. If Sai did not agree still, wouldn't she have left herself open for being attacked? If still she did not agree to get married, he would say ask her what more she wants? If she said she will marry him only without the conditions then that would indirectly mean ki Sai Virat ko pehle se pasand karti hai, isliye saare cheeze uske faayde ke liye hote hue bhi mana kar rahi hai because she wants a genuine marriage. She had no choice.


Hence the below choice was chosen by her.

"Yes I will marry you even after all your conditions and accept this with your commitment."


The talk about leaving after 5 years or after she becomes a doctor came only in their car journey and that Virat offered not because he wanted to set an expiry date for his marital life.

Virat felt Sai wasn't happy, it wouldn't be fair on Sai if he had made her stick to this kind of marriage where she would only be his responsibility, where she can never be his wife and where he would never act like her husband.

To reduce his guilt, that he had set such conditions for a marriage, to make up for the forced marriage that she was obliging to, he offered to her to walk out of this marriage anytime she wants and said that he will not bind her to this marriage.

Sai didn't think of anything and her ego/self respect was already hurt multiple times by this guy by constantly reminding her that she would only be his responsibility and he would never be his wife.

As a retort, she told him that she doesn't expect anything from him, infact asked him, what made him think she would expect anything from him and also told him that she too can never become his wife.


Sai did whatever she had to do to protect her self respect. Especially in this regard, I don't think Sai was anywhere wrong.


Sai at that moment, just went with the flow, accepted life as it came to her, accepted all the challengers that were thrown at her and accepted and was willing to face all the troubles/struggles that would come as part of these.


If we can all understand that Virat (an IPs officer) promised in a spur of a moment to Pakhi, we can also understand that Sai (a state topper) also just accepted without foreseeing how her life was going to be 5 years from then.


Also I feel, academic intelligence has nothing to do with emotional intelligence. I don't think being a state topper or an IPS officer had anything to do with this at all. Both Sai and Virat felt that they will be able to keep their emotional distance. It was a lapse in judgement.


She took it all with a face value just like how she trusted Kaku in the recent episode.

A girl did not think or never got to think who was he living with, where was she going to stay, if she will be made to stay in the same room as his, if she will be made to share bed with him in this kind of a marriage, how are we expecting her to think what she would do after 5 years or within 5 years or anything?


This girl lost her father just a few days back and didn't even have a will to live. When a person is emotional and overpowered by emotions, it doesn't matter whether they are a topper or doctor or a successful businessman, all are the same.


Hope it has answered some, if not all your questions.


Tagging a few friends who might be interested in this topic.


Thanks for tagging me, I have added my comments in blue.

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Originally posted by: hedwig_potter

I wholeheartedly agree. At one glance one may feel that saying yes just to keep Usha happy is not a valid reason, but it wasn't just about listening or not listening to advice of someone who always took care of you. To not listen to her would have indirectly sent the message that you are just a servant not my real family.


Exactly ❤❤


To this I would also like to add one point, Sai is someone who doesn't deal well with loneliness. Yes she is strong enough to take care of herself in a hostel and live alone physically, definitely she is. But she is also someone who needs somebody else to look after her emotionally. That doesn't in any way make her weak. She just is that way. Even when KJ was on deathbed, when marriage was not on his mind, when suicide had not happened, he asked Virat to take Sai's responsibility. I don't think he meant just financially, he knew Sai is smart, she will get scholarships and had saved money for her. He meant as a friend (which later turned to marriage) because he knew Sai needs someone. Let's not think about future now and just see what has already happened. No matter how much Sai and Virat may fight, at the end of the day, she knows Virat will be there for her.

Right, True


Definitely agree. If you guys remember in the episode when Vithal had filed complaint against Virat and Sai and Virat were fighting and Pakhi watching, Sai said I asked you tell your family but you did not listen to me and then she says "Aur kisi se nahi to kam se kam apni iss best friend ko to bata dete." Virat, already frustrated and angry, felt attacked, did he not? He then proceeds to say "ye sab keh ke tum saabit kya karna chahti ho? Ki mai tumhe pehle se pasand karta tha aur is liye tum se shaadi karna chaah raha tha?" This is what would have happened. Again if we ignore the future, and just talk about that particular situation, what wasn't in Sai's favor? He was offering to get her educated, give her social security for nothing in return. He was offering all of this and saying she doesn't even have to perform her duties or contribute to the relationship as a wife. Considering Sai didn't want to marry him in the first place, this was ideal for her. She doesn't have to be his wife. If Sai did not agree still, wouldn't she have left herself open for being attacked? If still she did not agree to get married, he would say ask her what more she wants? If she said she will marry him only without the conditions then that would indirectly mean ki Sai Virat ko pehle se pasand karti hai, isliye saare cheeze uske faayde ke liye hote hue bhi mana kar rahi hai because she wants a genuine marriage. She had no choice.

Very very true, well explained 👏👏


"Considering Sai didn't want to marry him in the first place, this was ideal for her"

Exactly my thoughts. Is this not true?

I missed adding this, thanks for adding this.


If still she did not agree to get married, he would say ask her what more she wants?

"Sai Virat ko pehle se pasand karti hai, isliye saare cheeze uske faayde ke liye hote hue bhi mana kar rahi hai because she wants a genuine marriage"

Exactly the word that would have come from anyone. I am amazed at how you have elaborated it by citing an example of how Virat asked a similar question about his intent to marry her.

This is what they meant to show as her majboori. This is exactly why she felt helpless and had to agree to him.


Also I feel, academic intelligence has nothing to do with emotional intelligence. I don't think being a state topper or an IPS officer had anything to do with this at all. Both Sai and Virat felt that they will be able to keep their emotional distance. It was a lapse in judgement.

Good, that you have pointed this out. Isn't it true? None of them expected this, I wouldn't blame either of them or doubt their intentions to get married. The question of why they married or why they couldn't avoid getting married can be asked to both of them. Why Sai couldn't avoid is answered in this reply and we know why Virat married her.

As you have said, they thought it will work by maintaining distance from their each other and both are failing.


Thanks for tagging me, I have added my comments in blue.

Pleasure, thought you will be interested and I am happy I did.


I am very happy to see that you have observed all of these and not just understood what I was saying, but you have also added points and explained it further.

I have replied in black.

Thank you.

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Originally posted by: Sairat


I would like to put in my 2 cents thoughts,

I pray in real life the tragedy that befall on Sai; should not befall on anyone; but I would add one more question to the mix


Why did Sai held Virat responsible, when she was told by other officers that KJ chose himself to go on that mission and she was repeatedly told by KJ how is duty comes first???



The answer to both the question is simple: "She was not thinking".

I do not wish this on anyone but I lost my father at the age of 16, it was sudden like one day he was there next day he was not.I had my mother but I saw people turn whom I knew since childhood in matters of seconds.It hurt me, but I was not pondering on it as I was numb and I was in that state for whole one year, where i made my life's aim and focused on it, I was not taking descisions I was merely reacting to situations so much that my mother even started telling people about my 180°change in behaviour and character.


Don't worry , I am not going to bore you guys with my sob story; The point of telling you this when you lose one of your parent / parents it has life changing effect on you but more than that; you become clueless and go in a vegetative state where you react to situations, not take desicions...


With Sai it was worse because first her father was not only her father but everything..her family, her bbest friend , her whole world..


Second, I believe she somehow blamed herself for her father's demise.


Just for one second ; put yourself in her shoes, if your family is killed because they were defending you by the people responsible for your harrasment; won't you think it would have been better that you could have died ; to spare your family.


We all do, especially women because sometimes its embedded in our DNA to take responsibilty of everyone and everything.


It was one of her unconscious reasons where she took the step of suicide(I am not supporting it)


Next she saw people who were with her since childhood; were ready to get rid of her, no matter how noble the thoughts were; (trust me there are people in actual life with less than noble thoughts at that point of time when you don't have anyone to look after you)and there was Virat giving her out of the situation with attached T&C; Sai was let down by the people she knew her whole life and she reacyed according to the situation as it was the "Best Deal" she was getting.


Again I would like to emphasize that she was not taking a well informed descision(becoz if she was takingvthe desicion she would have discussed it with UM atleast) but no she was reacting to the situation.


Other two questions that were raised by this question is Was the step of getting married was right or wrong??


It was both right and wrong; Right becoz at that time, after moving to CN , she was able to move on with her life and Virat when agreed to marry her somehow knew this...however bad, criminal are Chavans they do not lack in problems and daily dose of drama and the same thing gave Sai an opportunity to focus on others problems than her own.I strictly believe she is still "Reacting Phase"; where she is reacting on what is served on to her plate rather than thinking with clear head..


The step of getting married was wrong because.. now she has replaced her Aaba with Virat, instead of facing and accepting her loss she is compensating it with Virat..

Note: I am not talking about verbal acceptance that her guardian is no more; but both consicious and sub consicious level that she has to survive alone in this big bad world.

She does things and do not think about repurcursions becoz she on sub concious level she knows Virat will clean the mess like her used to Aaba do!!


But Virat is not her father, he is her husband and husbands unlike father's have a breaking point at patience and Virat's is near ,not because Sai is wrong but because of external factors including the barrage of taunts he faces from his family on her behalf, Sai's unacceptance of his affection..


Sai's affection to Virat is not out of love or attraction; its out of love for the position that Virat holds in her life.


But Virat's affection is of a husband which needs to reciprocated or it will take bad turn.


That's why seperation is required by Virat's hands ; as it would shake Sai out of her Stupor, that Virat is not her father; who will clean all her messes and she needs to grow and be responsible.


I am hoping to see a more responsible Sai in future who is awaken from her Reactive state because that Sai would be lethal..


We all love when Sai takes down her opponents logically; she has done it all in total of 2 times till now; first time when she was pushed to a corner and second was when Virat being accused but total calm Sai with Therav would be a treat to watch.


Also, this Sai would be an actual partner to Virat; not a zimmedari but a true partner and only when Virat is kicked of the pedestal that she has given him as her Aaba's she would start acknowledging the partner Virat is and her attraction/love to that partner.


Like , Once DIG said "Sai Heera hai" but according to me "Iss Heere ko taraashna baaki hai" and diamond however valuable it is , without polishing is a glorified rock only!!!


Hope CV's can do justice with that!!


This was my 2 cents thought( kuch zyada hi lamba ho gaya😅) but I would like your thoughts as well!!


The answer to both the question is simple: "She was not thinking".

I do not wish this on anyone but I lost my father at the age of 16, it was sudden like one day he was there next day he was not.I had my mother but I saw people turn whom I knew since childhood in matters of seconds.It hurt me, but I was not pondering on it as I was numb and I was in that state for whole one year, where i made my life's aim and focused on it, I was not taking descisions I was merely reacting to situations so much that my mother even started telling people about my 180°change in behaviour and character.



Sorry to hear Priyanshi about this ur father , I can relate with u coz I know someone from my family who lost her father at young age , she was devastated , she had change of personality age actually grew up 2 quickly.


What sai faced GC was demo of real world only where people like to be part of ur happiness but don't want to be part of ur sorrows or weak time .


Sorry again

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9


The answer to both the question is simple: "She was not thinking".

I do not wish this on anyone but I lost my father at the age of 16, it was sudden like one day he was there next day he was not.I had my mother but I saw people turn whom I knew since childhood in matters of seconds.It hurt me, but I was not pondering on it as I was numb and I was in that state for whole one year, where i made my life's aim and focused on it, I was not taking descisions I was merely reacting to situations so much that my mother even started telling people about my 180°change in behaviour and character.



Sorry to hear Priyanshi about this ur father , I can relate with u coz I know someone from my family who lost her father at young age , she was devastated , she had change of personality age actually grew up 2 quickly.


What sai faced GC was demo of real world only where people like to be part of ur happiness but don't want to be part of ur sorrows or weak time .


Sorry again


Its okay, yes what she faced in GC is real life, but when it happened she was not taking descisions on it.


In future, when she makes up this memory will influence her descisions.

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