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Originally posted by: NoraSM

But I don't think it takes 12 years

They did it simultaneously

Any chance in any of this taking place in more than one year?

I think it makes more sense for incognito to be of 1 month as the only thing which happens is Keechak Vadh, What are the chances that he didn't see Draupadi for 11 months, sees her in last month and tries to molest her?

If Arjuna can marry 3 times roam around India on horse back in 13 months, Ashvamegha and everything which happened after Kurukshetra war can happen in 36 months then why can't exile after Dice hall be of 13 months?

It can be. But exiles didn't have horses. They were wandering on foot, even crossing into.China at one point. Plus, negotiations take time. And Yudhishtira actually refuses to consider a shorter exile.

Plus, the Panchali thing is arranged by Virat's wife. Sudeshna got worried Panchali might attract the king and sent her to Keechaka on purpose. That's probably why she was spotted after 11 months of remaining hidden.

I don't know if the duration was strictly 13 months, though. Could've been shorter. But not 13 months.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

It can be. But exiles didn't have horses. They were wandering on foot, even crossing into.China at one point. Plus, negotiations take time. And Yudhishtira actually refuses to consider a shorter exile.

Plus, the Panchali thing is arranged by Virat's wife. Sudeshna got worried Panchali might attract the king and sent her to Keechaka on purpose. That's probably why she was spotted after 11 months of remaining hidden.

I don't know if the duration was strictly 13 months, though. Could've been shorter. But not 13 months.

Did Arjuna have a horse?

Arjuna exile period being only 12 months when he was there during birth of his son with Chitrangada and stayed there for 3 years

Taking Chitravahana's daughter (as his wife), the son of Kunti resided in that city for three years. When Chitrangada at last gave birth to a son, Arjuna embraced that handsome princess affectionately. And taking leave of the king (her father), he set out on his wanderings again.'"

Then he went to southern ocean -

Vaisampayana said, 'Then that bull of Bharata's race went to the sacred waters on the banks of the southern ocean, all adorned with the ascetics

Returned to Manipur -

Arjuna became desirous of once more beholding Chitrangada. He, therefore, proceeded towards the city of Manipura. Arrived there, he beheld on the throne the son he had begotten upon Chitrangada, and who was called by the name of Vabhruvahana. Seeing Chitrangada once more, Arjuna proceeded, O monarch, towards the spot called Gokarna.'"

After reading this, I believe there is more chance of Arjuna's exile being of 12 years because he saw his son and made multiple journeys that 13 months thing and the number 13 may or may not have been for exile after dice hall where the number 13 is mentioned

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Did Arjuna have a horse?

Arjuna exile period being only 12 months when he was there during birth of his son with Chitrangada and stayed there for 3 years

Taking Chitravahana's daughter (as his wife), the son of Kunti resided in that city for three years. When Chitrangada at last gave birth to a son, Arjuna embraced that handsome princess affectionately. And taking leave of the king (her father), he set out on his wanderings again.'"

Then he went to southern ocean -

Vaisampayana said, 'Then that bull of Bharata's race went to the sacred waters on the banks of the southern ocean, all adorned with the ascetics

Returned to Manipur -

Arjuna became desirous of once more beholding Chitrangada. He, therefore, proceeded towards the city of Manipura. Arrived there, he beheld on the throne the son he had begotten upon Chitrangada, and who was called by the name of Vabhruvahana. Seeing Chitrangada once more, Arjuna proceeded, O monarch, towards the spot called Gokarna.'"

After reading this, I believe there is more chance of Arjuna's exile being of 12 years because he saw his son and made multiple journeys that 13 months thing and the number 13 may or may not have been for exile after dice hall where the number 13 is mentioned

Arjuna traveled by horse if I'm not mistaken. Whereas 2nd exile on foot is described in detail with Panchali suffering at least one fall I can remember. They also had an entourage with them, including at least one maid for Panchali.

Thing about Arjuna's exile is 3 fold. 1. The summary AND southern versions which say it was a year or so. 2. He was the commander of their army. They couldn't simply not have him around for so long. 3. Krishna didn't know Arjuna was in exile. Do you think it possible for 12 years?

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Just a thought

Why can't exile after dice hall be of 13 months? 12 months normal and 1 month incognito

Not ALOT happens in Vana Parva

1 year incognito is only about Keechak killing, I mean Keechak had one year, how come he sees Draupadi in Last month?

I actually thought of this. But Karna's Vimshi Yatra happens during this duration. He even reached out South to get surrender ship and money from Chera and Cholas. He got many crowns under Hastinapur

He can not win over the entire country in one year.

Plus, we still need time for Abhimanyu to grow up enough so he can get Uttara pregnant, fight in war, and (sigh) die.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Arjuna traveled by horse if I'm not mistaken. Whereas 2nd exile on foot is described in detail with Panchali suffering at least one fall I can remember. They also had an entourage with them, including at least one maid for Panchali.

Thing about Arjuna's exile is 3 fold. 1. The summary AND southern versions which say it was a year or so. 2. He was the commander of their army. They couldn't simply not have him around for so long. 3. Krishna didn't know Arjuna was in exile. Do you think it possible for 12 years?

Horse is not mentioned, it is said Arjuna prepared himself for life in forest, horse is a luxury

Everything is up to different opinion

What I am saying is that possibility of Arjuna's exile for 12 months is higher than dice hall exile being of 13 years

Agyatwas 1 year

Arjuna exile 1 year

It took keechak 11 months to see draupadi and even if Virat's wife was jealous, it took her 11 months to realize that Draupadi is very beautiful

Important part for me in this one year is how a warrior needs constant training, if one doesn't work out for 1 year, he won't be fit for war

Now Arjuna had 3 marriages and two sons in one year and he witnessed birth of one son

To add to the above when Duryodhan says that Pandavas defaulted and were spotted in Agyatwaas, Bheeshm actually makes a point that they hadn't decided on the calendar to be used for calculation.

The time duration of 13 years by solar calendar means that 13 years and 5 months have already passed for lunar calendar.

Such specific detail couldn't have been there in case of it being a 13 months duration

Plus the main objective of sending them to exile was to ensure they make their state strong enough so that Pandavas can not attack onto them. Just think of it why were Pandavas willing to negotiate if they just get Indraprasth?? Were they ready to forgive immidiately after the game of dice? No they weren't

But by now Hastinapur had multiple state accepting their dominance, it was like a semi or unofficial emperor status to the head of Hastinapur state.

They knew that this will need time

About Keechak, well not always does the brother enters the inner compartment of sisters. Plus he was the CIC, he might have been often outside, just that he visited in the last month and noticed Saindhari

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

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I actually thought of this. But Karna's Vimshi Yatra happens during this duration. He even reached out South to get surrender ship and money from Chera and Cholas. He got many crowns under Hastinapur

He can not win over the entire country in one year.

Why did he need to win over entire country? Indraprastha was imperial throne which went to Dury, right?

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Why did he need to win over entire country? Indraprastha was imperial throne which went to Dury, right?

Imperial throne passing over doesn't mean all the subsidiary state will accept it's dominance.

The dominance is accepted mostly for the crown and not the throne.

For example if I accept that my state accepts Ram as the Samrat then that doesn't mean I have to honour that commitment to Kush

Chedi was under Indraprasth's dominance, but they were not under Dury. There are multiple examples for the same

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Imperial throne passing over doesn't mean all the subsidiary state will accept it's dominance.

The dominance is accepted mostly for the crown and not the throne.

For example if I accept that my state accepts Ram as the Samrat then that doesn't mean I have to honour that commitment to Kush

Chedi was under Indraprasth's dominance, but they were not under Dury. There are multiple examples for the same

Karna defeated Panchal, they fought with Pandavas

Also Digvijaya campaign is in Ghosha yatra, after Arjuna came back, so it didn't really take a long time