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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Myrah99


"Raise your level" says the joker of the forum.

Yes, any sane human will be rattled if somebody casually makes fun of a genocide which affected hundreds. People will naturally be sensitive about something which affected them and their families. Jews will get rattled if somebody makes fun of Holocaust.

You will get rattled if somebody makes fun of Palestinians' deaths by israeli army.

You need to have brains to understand that. But I guess its okay as long as you don't express hate against only Muslims. Nobody should mind when someone spreads hate against Hindus. Okay. šŸ‘šŸ¼


Tell me, what if somebody tell you that its okay to murder Muslims because its their karma for actions of ISIS, how will you react to that?

Will you remain calm and composed or will you abuse the hell out of them?

Don't lie to yourself Hippo. Come on.

Dont bother.Hippo is a waste of time. There is no fun left now that dq has conceded defeat by running away. Shes lost the face and reputation even if she comes back. I think the fight is over. You won this one fair n square. Congrats!!!

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Jo_March

Hippo, are you sure she exposed people or got exposed herself. Have you read her posts? She was justifying genocide under the garb of being rhetoric or some nonsense. She called the kashmiri pandits cowards and painted all pandits under same color of committing atrocities on Dalit community. Is this not bigotry? Hippo, do you really praise her? Obviously her comments are going to infuriate people.

My take now is that may this person is really young like teen level young going by the immaturity of the content of her posts so the members should now let go and not gang up on her anymore. And I would say to people not to get riled up and not to do what she's doing ie generalising whole community as bad. Let's not do that and end this discussion.

I think you are intelligent enough to realize my point. You very well know what I meant and where I stand. Unintentionally or intentionally net result is that proper members got exposed and showed their hatred for a group and religion. And instigation is no excuse for this behudgi. So in this way yes indeed it was a good job in the end. This praise has nothing to do with content of course. You very well know that.

And I already said in my 2 posts related to topic. a) i dont mind the movie as anyone can make anything. those who want to watch it will watch it and vice versa and b) everyone has the right to live in their homeland and not as a refugee. I wont go into debate of how it happened as i myself dont know much but it should not even come to that as even before I support their cause

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Posted: 7 years ago

don't know what is happening in this thread to try make it out as Hindus hate Muslims or something like that crap. but still I would like to say every Muslim in India hoisting the green flag of Pakistan should be deported back to Pakistan. the reason being not intolerance towards Muslims because no such issues exist when it comes to other Muslim Nations except Pakistan. listed below are my arguments for such call for deportation :


1.is the green flag with half crescent n a star the symbol of Muslims? why do the Muslims living in India select the Pakistani flag as their flag to hoist? why not choose the flag of Iraq or Bangladesh or Afghanistan ? clearly by choosing the flag of Pakistan they have showed their belongingness to Pakistan. now during partition, this country was divided as majority of Muslims wanted their own land to call Nation. they had chosen their own leaders to represent their such desires for separation as well. so now if a handful stayed back claiming they do not wish to leave India why should they be obliged at all?

2.Muslims do not keep money in bank as they are not allowed to take interest from bank. so economically what is their contribution that we must continue to host them? if anyone says why they build house make daily purchases n that goes to gov as gst then again I would say but if there were less in minority quota to give them jobs more of non Muslims would have got job n contributed as much to economy. so why should we harbour them?

3.if the Muslims in India are really Indians first n not in alliance with Pakistan then why do they claim their Muslim Law board or wakf board is above Indian Courts n that no court should interfere in their "personal law matters"? as an Indian there can be no wakf takaf board. the Indian constitution is full n final n no religion can be above Indian Laws.then how come polygamy is still practised in the garb of being Muslim n thus independent? if a Muslim man on an avg takes two wives n has three children each from each of his wives then half a dozen children he is fathering. those half dozen will father or mother half dozen more each. so its a nuisance for population control. the more mouths the more we need to feed depleting our natural resources faster.

if at all the Muslims should be allowed to continue to live in India then like Trump is introducing development fee n only skilled ppl to stay back, same should be enforced in India. keep only those who can contribute to India's development deport the rest back to the land their ancestors chose once as their place to call home. else that day will not be far where we will be reduced to minority in our own country.

lastly modi ji won because deep inside every Indians knows the looming threat that exists.. deep inside the sentiments are simple n clear. either drop the Pakistani flag when living in India or go back where ur heart truly belongs-Pakistan. mind u this is only for those Muslims who still runs draping the Pakistani flag around them not for those who has sincerely embraced the Indian flag n Indian Laws above everything else.

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Posted: 7 years ago

A filmmaker declared that his next subject is Exodus of Kashmiri Pandits from Kashmir, he supports Modi so people who don't like Modi are hating on Kashmiri Pandits and justifying rapes/genocide calling it their karma. How can one think like this? šŸ¤” To think of it mentality of people who did this must have been somewhat similar, a good point of research for the director

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: JustMySelf

don't know what is happening in this thread to try make it out as Hindus hate Muslims or something like that crap. but still I would like to say every Muslim in India hoisting the green flag of Pakistan should be deported back to Pakistan. the reason being not intolerance towards Muslims because no such issues exist when it comes to other Muslim Nations except Pakistan. listed below are my arguments for such call for deportation :


1.is the green flag with half crescent n a star the symbol of Muslims? why do the Muslims living in India select the Pakistani flag as their flag to hoist? why not choose the flag of Iraq or Bangladesh or Afghanistan ? clearly by choosing the flag of Pakistan they have showed their belongingness to Pakistan. now during partition, this country was divided as majority of Muslims wanted their own land to call Nation. they had chosen their own leaders to represent their such desires for separation as well. so now if a handful stayed back claiming they do not wish to leave India why should they be obliged at all?

2.Muslims do not keep money in bank as they are not allowed to take interest from bank. so economically what is their contribution that we must continue to host them? if anyone says why they build house make daily purchases n that goes to gov as gst then again I would say but if there were less in minority quota to give them jobs more of non Muslims would have got job n contributed as much to economy. so why should we harbour them?

3.if the Muslims in India are really Indians first n not in alliance with Pakistan then why do they claim their Muslim Law board or wakf board is above Indian Courts n that no court should interfere in their "personal law matters"? as an Indian there can be no wakf takaf board. the Indian constitution is full n final n no religion can be above Indian Laws.then how come polygamy is still practised in the garb of being Muslim n thus independent? if a Muslim man on an avg takes two wives n has three children each from each of his wives then half a dozen children he is fathering. those half dozen will father or mother half dozen more each. so its a nuisance for population control. the more mouths the more we need to feed depleting our natural resources faster.

if at all the Muslims should be allowed to continue to live in India then like Trump is introducing development fee n only skilled ppl to stay back, same should be enforced in India. keep only those who can contribute to India's development deport the rest back to the land their ancestors chose once as their place to call home. else that day will not be far where we will be reduced to minority in our own country.

lastly modi ji won because deep inside every Indians knows the looming threat that exists.. deep inside the sentiments are simple n clear. either drop the Pakistani flag when living in India or go back where ur heart truly belongs-Pakistan. mind u this is only for those Muslims who still runs draping the Pakistani flag around them not for those who has sincerely embraced the Indian flag n Indian Laws above everything else.

The green flag w/the crescent does not mean Pakistan, just because they share the same look. I love how people like you say their (the Muslims) heart belongs to Pakistan when A) They are not Pakistani and B) They have never been to the country.

You said Muslims should only be allowed to live in India under certain restrictions, then where the hell are they supposed to go instead? Imagine bringing up the literal idiot that is Trump and thinking it's validating your ideas.

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Arshi1195

The green flag w/the crescent does not mean Pakistan, just because they share the same look. I love how people like you say their (the Muslims) heart belongs to Pakistan when A) They are not Pakistani and B) They have never been to the country.

You said Muslims should only be allowed to live in India under certain restrictions, then where the hell are they supposed to go instead? Imagine bringing up the literal idiot that is Trump and thinking it's validating your ideas.

first of all don't try to fool us that the green flag only resembles to Pak flag n is not same. why did u all who stayed back not make it look like black then? it would have not looked like the not to be named i sis just a mere black one isn't it? why not hoist the much dreaded black flag?

Trump might be an arrogant bt not an absolute Idiot. Trump is right to make only the skilled to stay back n deport the unskilled. why should useless ppl be allowed to eat up the country's resources? for any Nation the natives comes first n to guard their interest is the right approach. only fake hypocrites thinks otherwise. quality should be chosen over quantity.if petty emotions n sentiments are given more importance the natives will end up loosing work n food. so if he ensures his ppl get first right to a job n food what is wrong in his thinking? what is wrong if he thinks only skilled ppl get the right to empty the treasury of State?

lastly I said muslims who prefers that green flag n those who still claims their law is personal n Indian courts have no right to jurisdiction over them since u responded can I be wrong to presume u hoist the green flag n put down Indian Law n prefer personal muslim. laws? in that case where will u guys go u still don't know? why did u all not stand before ur leaders n stop the partition back then? why did u not tell we do not want a separate country called Pakistan? riding two boats at same time lands ppl like u nowhere. if u were in the minority who didn't want Pakistan then why do u still claim do not interfere in our personal laws? why are u entitled to priviledges? why should we bother where u will go if ur loyalty is not with us? we are only concerned if u consider urself Indian.

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Posted: 7 years ago

Cowards who can't come from their original IDs make fake IDs to come spew their hatred.


If they so firmly believe what they think is true then come from your real IDs na... own up...

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Arshi1195

The green flag w/the crescent does not mean Pakistan, just because they share the same look. I love how people like you say their (the Muslims) heart belongs to Pakistan when A) They are not Pakistani and B) They have never been to the country.

You said Muslims should only be allowed to live in India under certain restrictions, then where the hell are they supposed to go instead? Imagine bringing up the literal idiot that is Trump and thinking it's validating your ideas.

is it so? so that green flag does not represent Pakistan but merely resembles it? then why not change the green color to all black now? it will barely resemble i sis but not be i sis themselves right? whom are u fooling??

I clearly said muslims who hoist the green flag n claims immunity from Indian courts citing muslim law boards as fully independent hence untouchable by our laws to be the ones whose heart clearly is not Indian but to Pakistan n so should be deported. since u replied would it be wrong of me to presume u love the green flag n u feel ur above Indian Laws? otherwise i see no reason of ur reaction. as for where u must go then, do we still need to tell if ur yet to embrace the Indian flag n hoist it whole heartedly n abide by Indian laws?

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Posted: 7 years ago

Came across this article

Kashmiri Hindus: Driven out and insignificantBy Zubair AhmedBBC Hindi, Srinagar

  • 6 April 2016

Mohan Lal BhattImage captionMohan Lal Bhat is among the 3,000-5,000 Pandits left in the Muslim-dominated valley

In a room opposite an ancient temple in Srinagar, four men - two Hindu and two Muslim - are hotly debating the "forced" exodus of hundreds of thousands of Kashmiri Hindus from Indian-administered Kashmir in the early 1990s.

The two Muslims sympathise with the Hindu migrants, also known as Kashmiri Pandits, calling them victims of circumstance. They admit the Hindus were wronged, but are quick to add that they were helpless to stop the mass migration.

For the Hindu men, temple keeper Maharaj Pandita and his friend Sanjay Tikku, the "absence of the Muslim community's collective guilt" over what happened is a familiar frustration.

It has been 27 years since a violent armed insurgency erupted in Kashmir, completely paralysing its politics and crippling its economy.

An Indian paramilitary soldier stands guard outside Sheetleshwar Bhairav, one of the valley's oldest and largest Hindu temples, in Srinagar on January 20, 2010 as Kashmiri Pandits perform rituals inside the tempt to mark its re-opening after 21 years.Image copyrightAFPImage captionThere are many Hindu temples in the valley...A Hindu priest applies a religious mark on the forehead of an Indian Kashmiri Hindu (Pandit) devotee during the annual Hindu festival at the Khearbhawani temple in Tullamulla village, some 30 kms east of Srinagar on May 29, 2012.Image copyrightAFPImage caption...but few Hindu priests are available for religious occasions

It also tore apart the centuries-old harmony that existed between the majority Muslim and tiny but influential Hindu communities, after the latter was terrorised into leaving.

Muslim militant groups targeted Hindus by killing their men, burning their homes and damaging their places of worship. Mosques would make calls for them to leave the valley.

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Saifullah, a former militant, tells the BBC that he regrets participating in driving Kashmiri Hindus out. "We want them back. We want them to live in peace. Kashmir is theirs too," he says.

Insignificant numbers

The bulk of Kashmir's Hindus are now settled in neighbouring Jammu city and the Indian capital Delhi.

Some, like Mr Pandita and Mr Tikku never left, though more out of compulsion rather than defiance.

The number of those who stayed, however, is insignificant. Finding Kashmiri Pandits in the Muslim-dominated valley is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

M PandithaImage captionToday the Pandits are condemned to live a life of anonymity in their own homeland

According to one estimate, 3,000-5,000 Pandits are left in the valley today - a far cry from the 300,000 who used to live there. These few thousand are scattered over 185 places in the valley, where seven million people live.

Today the Pandits are condemned to live a life of anonymity in their own homeland.

'Painful times'

Mr Tikku and Mohan Lal Bhat, like most Hindus who did not leave Kashmir, lived nightmarish existences during the initial phase of the conflict.

"In the beginning there was a lot of fear, nights were eerily silent. If a cat jumped on to the roof we thought militants had come to kill us", Mr Tikku tells the BBC.

Mr Bhat, a retired policeman, also recalls the "painful times" he used to be up all night "in case someone came to kill us".

Kashmiri school children cross the street in central Kashmir village of Kangan, 50 kilometers from Srinagar, the summer capital of Indian Kashmir, 23 March 2016.Image copyrightEPAImage captionKashmir has been relatively peaceful in recent years

"I would look out of the window to see if an intruder was coming to kill us," he says.

The Bhats never left the valley and poverty never left them. A young son was killed in a terror attack. The other is unemployed. Like many others in the valley, they have their own homes, but ready cash is scarce.

For the community, the scars undoubtedly run deep, but it seems that time has nearly healed their wounds. They now enjoy healthy relationships with their Muslim neighbours.

Peace problems

But relative peace comes with its own set of problems.

Many complain about a lack of priests. This becomes an issue during occasions like weddings, and also during deaths, when priests are needed to perform the last rites.

Another problem, according to Mr Tikku, is finding partners for their children.

He estimates that there are around 900 Pandit boys and girls of marriageable age in the valley. Mr Pandita himself has three daughters, none of them married yet. "We would like to get our daughters married in the valley but it's not easy to find the boys in our community," he says.

Kashmiri demonstrators clash with police during a protest against a government proposal to create exclusive settlements for Kashmiri Hindus in Srinagar on April 10, 2015.Image copyrightAFPImage captionThere were protests last year against a government proposal to create exclusive settlements for Kashmiri Hindus

Children's education is another worry.

Many young parents are unwilling to raise their children in a predominantly Muslim Kashmir, where all children "have to learn Arabic and the Koran".

Sonica Bhatt is 30 and has three children. The oldest is six. She says she has not told them about their Hindu background yet, because their friends are all Muslim. "We want to send them to Jammu where they will be raised as Hindus," she says.

Identity crisis

Writer Manoj Pandita, a police officer, doesn't think education is a problem for Hindu children. He says he went to a local school where he had to learn Islamic tenets.

Journalist Manohar Lalgami, who is the only Hindu employee in an Urdu newspaper, agrees.

He says he is not scared of speaking his mind to his fellow Muslim journalists. "I am loudmouthed and forthright. That has earned me my colleagues respect," he tells the BBC.

Kashmiri youth play cricketImage captionRelations between the two communities are better now

Mr Lalgami is among many internally displaced Kashmiri Hindus. He had to abandon his ancestral home and settle in Srinagar in a cluster of flats built by the federal government under a scheme that has seen more than 2,000 members of his community return to the valley.

To him, the real problem for the valley Pandits is official apathy.

"Unfortunately neither has the government paid attention to us nor has any political party raised our problems," he says.

"You can say we have been overlooked by everyone," he says.

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Posted: 7 years ago

Omar Abdullah confronted by Kashmiri pundits in Berkeley USA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcf5DLSlXmE

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