Revenge ya justice!!

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So since now Neil Khanna is ready to get hanged to death by fandom, the devil's advocate makes her come back, and why not, afterall even the person who is about to be hanged to death has the right to a last wish ?!

A small disclaimer: I love Avni and I want her to get all the happiness in the world, if I present things from Neil's point of view, it doesn't mean I'm blaming or I'm against Avni. She has been through a lot in her life, sometimes due to close people, sometimes due to circumstances and sometimes due to some of her own decisions, but she is a good soul and no one can deny that she deserves love and happiness. I know she went to extents no one would have gone to for Neil and for her loved ones, so I fully know about all the things she had done, from helping him with his ex and her daughter, to breaking out of jail to save him to cite few. I'm also fully aware of her trauma, of the things that pushed her to take some of her decisions, so in no case I'm blind to who is Avni or all what she did or faced in life.

Now back to Neil Khanna, yes I also felt the same as others felt, even for me, the proposal and the engagement were two things I couldn't digest and I still can't when the romantic dreamer in me comes to surface, I mean I always wanted Neil to never think about having any other woman in his life no matter what happens, I mean regardless of what Avni does or feels, I wanted this idea to be so unbearable to him to even consider it. It's just to say that the AvNeil/Neil/Avni lover in me feels the same as any other fan might feel. BUT that doesn't mean I find him cheap, or the worst male lead or the outrageous things that I keep reading about him, some called him womanizer and the last I read is a person who called him the "Tourniquet Killer!!! seriously!! Now Neil is being compared to a pervert serial killer!!! Wah wah! Have people ever understood Neil, yaar even by the new writers' standards Neil is still a good human being, yes I would always love the idealistic version of him by the old writers but that doesn't mean I don't find the current one quite realistic, this is not only me saying this, a neutral person who doesn't even watch the show, so no emotional attachment to any character or actor, knowing about the facts told me that his reactions based on what he went through are totally understandable and he is in the full right to think the worst.

Imagine, just imagine and put yourself in his shoes, and tell me what would you have really felt and for that I asked few questions to one of my friends:

I mean imagine Su if someone u love dearly fakes their death, if you give up everything for their love and live in guilt because u couldn't save them, you leave ur hardly earned job and everything u believed in and u just live with the guilt and their memories, u even turn suicidal to a certain point just to get a glimpse of them and then u find out they were never dead, will u forget everything with few sorries?!!, will that wipe the pain u went through all those years?!, the agony?!, the sleepless nights?! the guilt that kept eating u and killing u every day?!, the longing?! and as if all this wasn't enough u find out u have a kid!!!, u could never see them grow, u might have never known about their existence had it not been for a coincidence! I mean do people even imagine the pain?! Is it something u can forget in 10days ya a month or with few apologies?!, people only see the engagement and the hurtful words, they don't see what lead to all this, yaar all he has been through is insane it's too much pain! I feel at least the blame game should be stopped,

I mean now they think Neil doesn't deserve Avni, but what has he done exactly, do tell me, all he did is loving her unconditionally like he had never loved anyone before and this is how he gets rewarded. I know we all want him to understand her reasons, to dig out the truth, but his pain is so big it blinded him especially when he saw no efforts from her side to mend things, all she keeps talking about is walking away, and asking him to move on breaking his mangalsutra, he felt so frustrated, so rejected, so abandoned that he proposed another woman, such was his pain! Now I obviously don't agree with what he did, a rebound is never the solution, and I know old writers would have never gone this way just the way they would have never gone for Mowgli being AvNeil's son, but realistically if you feel rejected by the person u love the most all the time, and there is a person who loves u and who was in some danger, it's bound to make u think whether u are not doing wrong by rejecting her and sticking to a person who doesn't want u in their life no matter how much u love that person. Neil feels like he is a loser, he feels like everything he has gone through or has done was in vain, all he feels is unbearable pain, and betrayal. Before, at least he used to live with the happy memories of a woman who loved him so much, who respected him, who did everything for him but now these same memories are the memories of the woman who betrayed him by faking her death, by leaving him to face pain during 10years and who still asks him to move on as she has a new life, she never really expressed it that she wants to be with him and that she will wait for him to cool down, even in the confrontation scene, she just said u don't want to stay with me and u don't want to forgive me then move on, but what did she exactly do to show she wants to stay with him?!, she just keeps saying she did it for the family and for him but in no case she said she wants to stay with him, fight for him, earn his forgiveness, whenever he softens, she comes with things like Avni is dead, like I can manage alone, I'm looking for a new house, I can do things myself, my decision is the right one for Saisha, he feels excluded totally, he doesn't feel like he is part of any of her plans, even after she broke the mangalsutra, he was looking at her leaving from the window and he clearly expressed it saying "Avni phirse tum mujhe chod ke chale gaye! He is tired of waiting, of hurting, of seeing her every time leave him! He lost hope and his trust was shaken, next instances just strengthened his belief, as even after he decided to get engaged, he saw how Avni sold his gift and was giving them duas for their engagement. This is what Neil sees, just the way Avni wants him to express his love and can't see it through his fear for her and every time he runs to her rescue, even Neil, after all the pain of 10years and the trust that was shaken, he also wants to see few signs of her loving him which she never showed and which he showed through helping her and running to wipe her blood and being there for her at every small pain of hers!

It's easy to judge Neil, to crucify him but sorry to say Avni did nothing to ease his pain after she came back, she had always other priorities while he still had her and has her as the center of his life. So is it wrong if he wants to pull the pieces of his life together, this is what his mind tells him to do, it tells him u should move on somehow, start somewhere, Mithali is definitely not the right point, but he thought that he should try to come out of that phase where he confined himself with only Avni's memories 24h/24h 7days/7days. Hiding his kid from him and raising him as an orphan doing him unjustice and to the kid as well was the breaking point where he totally lost trust on her! No amount of justification for him would undo that.

Now back to the point of revenge and justice, what people take as revenge is actually Neil's practical way of seeking justice, Neil was never the revengeful type of people, he has always believed in justice and even to some point redemption of criminals who can be redeemed. Here he feels wronged and all he wants is spending time with his kid, he lost trust in Avni, for him she is a woman who keeps lying and lying, he doesn't deny what she did to the kids in the orphanage, he is the same man who explained to Saisha how much Avni loved her but he wants a family for his kid, for him a woman who hid such a big truth from her son might not be qualified to do his upbringing, as I said here it's not whether he is right or wrong, he sees things based on his experience with her recently where all he sees is a huge web of lies, I disagree with what others say about him wanting revenge or wanting to destroy her or see her in pain, all he wants is getting back his kid, the legal way, he didn't play dirty or did anything to defame her, for him what he stated in the court is what he feels about her now based on the recent happenings. He feels wronged and he wants justice, I know the comparison with Mithali is wrong especially since we know about Mithali's kartoots but he doesn't even see that, he sees his pain, his kid who was away, a woman who keeps lying and running away and he might have thought that at least Mithali won't run away. Now people might think what he said about Avni getting punished for her deeds as revenge but it's actually justice, logically when u take a wrong decision that results in harming someone even if unintentionally does that absolve u, does that person asking u for compensation means they want revenge from you!!

If Neil wanted revenge, he won't be running to help her every time, to ease her pain, to tell her that Khanna house belongs to her as much as it belongs to him and even bring her ice cream to help her calm down, he won't run to help her looking for Mowgli and be concerned for her in the first place, he could have looked for Mowgli separately if he was doing it only for Mowgli...

Yes his anger reached a high point where he is trying to focus on his pain, on mending his life and getting back his son, him not focusing on Avni's pain right now doesn't make him selfish or not loving, it just means that he himself is in deep pain and is trying to do the right thing from where he sees things.

It has nothing to do with understanding Avni, even she couldn't read behind Neil's actions in the jail track, she took what he did at face value and she only started pondering over things when she heard Monica and Vidyut's phone conversation, then only she started connecting the dots but Neil never got any such a clue.

Neil has always understood her, he used to read behind her faade and compel her to tell the truth but what people fail to understand is that after 10years of pain and depression and the sense of betrayal he got with no visible willingness from her side to work things made him focus on his pain, when u are agonizing the last u would do is try to understand the person behind ur agony, as I said it doesn't make u selfish or insensitive, it makes u human

There are many things and points that were raised against Neil's understanding of Avni, Neil's hurtful words etc but even Avni told him off in front of everyone in the jail track because this is what she was thinking, does it mean she wanted to insult him publicly?! No!, it was her pain speaking, she was reacting to his actions! Then why the double standards, there people were cheering for Avni, but here they take it as Neil insulting her!! Had Neil been the type who only wants to insult a woman publicly he would have done it when he had full rights when Avni married him dokhe se! But the thing with Neil is that he has always been clear and straightforward, what he thinks he says it on your face, he doesn't shy away from calling a spade a spade or expressing things or even owning up to his own mistakes! At the moment he is speaking what he thinks, from where he stands, he might be wrong but there is a solid reasoning behind what he thinks and he didn't get any reasons to change his reasoning but rather more reasons to think what he thinks is right!

Why he didn't work some solution for shared custody with Avni?!, well because he no longer trusts her, even when he handed her the divorce and custody papers, he asked her to not try to run away, and from where he stands this is all he has seen her doing since very long!

Anyways there are many other points but I feel exhausted to point out everything now, if anyone wants to discuss, welcome, as I said I love Avni and it's not like I'm defending Neil unreasonably but since he is the one who is facing the wrath now and CVs succeeded finally in shifting sympathy towards Avni and prepared for that way before when they made her tell Prakash that her reason behind not telling Neil is her fear of him snatching the kid from her, I find that as a viewer too I can present another perspective to things. If you look deeply u will see that Neil is looking for justice and not revenge despite the words that people take as hurtful and this is how Neil has always been. If people can say why Neil can't trust Avni and why he can't understand her and how can he think this way about her then even Avni despite knowing Neil and knowing he is a person who believes in justice and redemption she doesn't think that high of him since she believes all he wants is to take revenge for his narazgui while all he is doing now is letting the court decide.

P.S: I love old Neil the most and I want him to come back as soon as possible, I'm also a woman and I also saw him as the man who would always try to be righteous, who would bridge the gap with his Avni, I mean who wouldn't love a forever forgiving and understanding and loving man in their life, but I understand the current one from a realistic point of view. if we put ourselves in his shoes we will understand him better
I don't know what the new writers will do in the upcoming days, since we know old writers had no proposal, custody drama or a son in their plans, but I analyze things based on what I saw so far.

I also want to talk about something important, which is trust, yes trust, I posted few things about it on twitter, might share them here as well.

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Agree with your points but the main thing we have problem here is.
This entire custody this g would have been looked good without mitali in picture.

He lost trust in avni agree.

Avni is not doing anything for forgiveness agree.

But doing engagement when you come to know that you have a son 10 minutes ago seemed more ridiculous to me.

He would have waited for a day let the matter sink in his brain. And then could have got engaged with mitali.

But on spot just 10 min after doesn't made sense for me.

On top of it, he came to mitali said that you can be a good mother to Mowgli with out even asking her whether she can give mom's love to Mowgli like seriously!!!

I agree that his pain is right but I can't agree to the things he is doing in the name of Justice. Especially immediate engagement and forcing his son on mitali.

And mitali seemed to be the dumbest creature.

She claims that she can see his love for avni and now knows that they have a son too.

On top of it, it is not a secret that If she married Neil now she can only be a mother to Mowgli but cant be Neil's wife.

Neils and entire family's focus will be in Mowgli only.

But still she went ahead with engagement
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Sorry dear I can't agree with you SNACHING A KID FROM A MOTHER IS THE BIGGEST CRIME THAT EXACTLY WHAT NEIL IS DOING NOTHING JUSTIFIES THAT I never hated Shweta when she was trying to Avni and Neil because as a mother she was insecure. BUT WHAT NEIL IS DONING IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE
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I very well understand your pov and Neil's anger pain everything but I don't agree fully with everything you said especially about Neil fighting for custody of Mowgli I beg to differ about his intention
I wrote this some days back in another thread so just copy pasting it here :

I don't understand why is Neil behind Mowgli especially now when he is going to marry Mitali he can very well produce his own children and see their childhood from the initial phase I don't think Neil even loves Mowgli truely and that his only intention to file custody and take Mowgli with him is because he loves his son and wants to spent those moments which he never got to do in the past because if he really loved mowgli even in his anger and hatred for avni once he will keep his ego aside and would have never got engaged to Mitali doesn't he have that common sense that not every woman are Avni or neelama who could love their step child like their own if he really cared for Mowgli he would have asked himself once before getting engaged to Mitali whether he is doing right with Mowgli? And in his life Avni may be replaced by Mitali but for his son whose mother is very much alive will Mowgli ever let and accept any other woman take his mother's place in his life?Did he not think once if Mitali would love care and treat Mowgli same if tomorrow if she had her own child ?how could Neil Khanna be such a dumbhead I really don't understand

For any father who loves his child genuinely will not care about himself his priority will be his son's welfare and future but here Neil is prioritising his ego and needs than what Mowgli actually wants he didn't even think once as a father what impact him marrying other woman when mowglis biological mother is alive would be on him and he didn't cared or think once if he dragged to custody battle their fights and the bitterness between him and Avni will affect Mowgli in a bad way I remember Avni saying once that how Mowgli will suffer in between them because of their sinking relationship Neil is actually turning her every fear into reality

No anger pain and amount of betrayal will justify the injustice he is doing with his own son by not thinking about what Mowgli wants and how much he will suffer because of all the things he is doing now I'm telling again atleast for his son if he really loved him dearly he would have paused and thought twice about getting engaged to Mitali and filing custody

It's not about Neil or avni if a parent genuinely loves his /her child their priority should be their children's welfare they should keep their kid first rather than prioritising themselves this is what Neil is doing

According to me Neil is fighting for mowglis custody only to spite Avni to give her pain and hurt her I cannot see any genuine love and care from Neil's side for Mowgli Neil is just satisfying his ego by doing all this

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Originally posted by: AvNeil_TV

Sorry dear I can't agree with you SNACHING A KID FROM A MOTHER IS THE BIGGEST CRIME THAT EXACTLY WHAT NEIL IS DOING NOTHING JUSTIFIES THAT I never hated Shweta when she was trying to Avni and Neil because as a mother she was insecure. BUT WHAT NEIL IS DONING IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE




ok away from double standards, If snatching a kid away from his mother is a big crime then hiding a kid from his father is an equally big crime, and equally unacceptable. Even the justification given by Cvs to justify Avni hiding the son won't make it less unacceptable but yes we can surely see it made all the fans sympathize with her to the point they see the same thing she did to Neil as not that big while Neil is asking for the custody legally within the boundaries of law and is ready to accept whatever the verdict the court cites and he clearly said he will accept the court's decision and he didn't mean Avni can't see her kid

Obviously I expect Neil to melt and understand her pain as a mother, I obviously never wanted him to ask for permanent custody but I'm just explaining things from his point of view
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If Avni's love towards Mowgli can't be questioned despite her hiding his identity from him, then I feel it unfair when we judge Neil's love for Mowgli and say he doesn't love him, and just because u might marry another woman and let's suppose have kids with her doesn't mean u will forget about another kid you had from another marriage especially when he is a love kid from a love marriage, if we follow that logic then all divorced parents will give up on their children from another marriage, that's definitelly a sentimental statement from an AvNeil fan who feels a sense of betrayal from Neil marrying Mithali and not at all a realistic statement.

Time will tell if it's only his ego behind this, but for now I won't judge him based on what fans take as his hurtful words or insensitive behavior, realistically he is a wronged person and he is behaving as one, he is not palying dirty, he has a reason behind each of his actions, some are sentimental and some are logical but they all make sense to him

I agree He should have asked Mithali whether she really wants to take charge of the kid and I agree that he should have never compared the love of a mother with Mithali who is not that ideal person based on her past record but as I said from where he stands and given the last bitter experiences with Avni and all what she did what he is doing and the way he is reacting makes sense to him
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ok away from double standards, If snatching a kid away from his mother is a big crime then hidding a kid from his father is an equally big crime, and equally unacceptable. Even the justification given by Cvs to justify Avni hiding the son won't make it less unacceptable but yes we can surely see it made all the fans sympathize with her to the point they see the same thing she did to Neil as not that big while Neil is asking for the custody legally within the boundaries of law and is ready to accept whatever the verdict the court cites and he clearly said he will accept the court's decision and he didn't mean Avni can't see her kid

Obviously I expect Neil to melt and understand her pain as a mother, I obviously never wanted him to ask for permanent custody but I'm just explaining things from his point of view


HIS POV CAN"T BE JUSTIFIED BY ANYONE YOU ARE JUST JUSTIFYING SOMETHING WHICH IS A UNACCEPTABLE AND CEIME...

Avni did what ever was safty and more over NEIL IS JUST PROVING HER FEARS RIGHT
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Originally posted by: AvNeil_TV


HIS POV CAN"T BE JUSTIFIED BY ANYONE YOU ARE JUST JUSTIFYING SOMETHING WHICH IS A UNACCEPTABLE AND CEIME...

Avni did what ever was safty and more over NEIL IS JUST PROVING HER FEARS RIGHT




Relax honey😆 No need to get all worked up, don't worry even if he wins the custody case, he will bring Mowgli to his mom, he will never let them apart because he loves both his son and Avni, he won't stand seeing her in pain for long and obviously he would do what's right by his kid as well. So don't worry! I was analyzing things realistically, only a person who has been in Neil's shoes in reality would understand his reactions.
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Originally posted by: Survival

@Chocolatebond

If Avni's love towards Mowgli can't be questioned despite her hiding his identity from him, then I feel it unfair when we judge Neil's love for Mowgli and say he doesn't love him, and just because u might marry another woman and let's suppose have kids with her doesn't mean u will forget about another kid you had from another marriage especially when he is a love kid from a love marriage, if we follow that logic then all divorced parents will give up on their children from another marriage, that's definitelly a sentimental statement from an AvNeil fan who feels a sense of betrayal from Neil marrying Mithali and not at all a realistic statement.

Time will tell if it's only his ego behind this, but for now I won't judge him based on what fans take as his hurtful words or insensitive behavior, realistically he is a wronged person and he is behaving as one, he is not palying dirty, he has a reason behind each of his actions, some are sentimental and some are logical but they all make sense to him

I agree He should have asked Mithali whether she really wants to take charge of the kid and I agree that he should have never compared the love of a mother with Mithali who is not that ideal person based on her past record but as I said from where he stands and given the last bitter experiences with Avni and all what she did what he is doing and the way he is reacting makes sense to him

yes as a avNeil fan and Neil fan too I can never accept two things he did i.e Neil getting engaged to Mitali even after knowing about Mowgli being is son and Neil comparing and saying that Mitali could be a better mother and questioning / insulting avni's motherhood
No amount of justification could be acceptable for these two atleast for me
Right now I feel it's only his ego despite everything I genuinely don't feel any true love behind Neil fighting for custody but will be happy to proved wrong in the upcoming days if they showed that it's his true concern and love for his son and he was not doing all this out of his ego, anger and to revenge Avni for the Pain she caused him by faking death and hiding mowgli's identity


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