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Posted: 7 years ago

#11

Oh my god i agree with you. My heart goes out for Neil.

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Himani128

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Posted: 7 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: Survival
@Himani128

No one said what he is doing is right, but from where he stands it makes sense to him, just the moment he was stretching his hand towards his child, Avni grabbed him and left again enforcing that feeling of abandonment and rejection, made the feeling of him being wronged all the more stronger and by the same means made him come with this defense mechanism (though it's not the ideal defense mechanism) to protect himself from the immense pain, he is convincing himself that he can move on marry another woman who loves him instead of the one who abondoned him, fight for his son's custody, all these are ways for him where he thinks he is doing the right thing by rebuilding his life again, he will realise later that it's not the case

Acc to me he has major trust issue on avni.

Yes avni was wrong. But other than doing that wrong she doesn't have any option.

But here Neil has so many options.

And majorily he always blames her for not trusting him.

Always says bharosa nahi Tha Kya mujh par.

I wanted to ask what did he do to gain her trust?

Except in dvm fianco he always failed in his cases until avni was involved in it.

He couldn't have solved RM case till avni took matter into her hands.

He couldn't doubt juhi until avni said.

He couldnt catch vidhyut and his men until avni was involved in his plan.

He didn't involve avni in his paln and sent her to jail.

But avni seeing his behavior itself guessed something is more than what she is seeing.

After knowing all things she forgave him immediately, ran like a maniac from jail and searched like anything on roads for him. What she found was that he was buried alive , then took him to hospital. After that took the val.e of neo neo being herself and went ahead with tortures she has to face in jail.

Even avni was released with a clue she gave to Neil that vidhyut was behind his own father's death.

Being neo never yielded a result on top of it , it had pushed him into more problems.

Neil s 10 yrs pain can be understood but how can he not think that what avni did all things before were not for revenge sake. But for the sake of love.

He still thinks that avni left him to take revenge from vidhyut for killing neela and thereby protecting his family.

Doesn't he know avni is not expressive and is very good in hiding things?

He definitely knows.

Then why isn't he digging Inside.

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Survival

@Survival

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Posted: 7 years ago

#13

I feel u "Chocolatebond", believe me we all want the same as AvNeil/Neil fans, because Neil has always been portrayed to be too good to be true, I was just analyzing it from a realistic point of view and yes I would be happy if they explain his actions and reactions clearly according to his original character sketch and the best would be if all this is a plan. Remember before Goa track, he was fighting with Avni while irnoning his suit, in that episode we thought it was a real fight but few episodes after we saw that Neela ma was actually seeing them hence they were pretending, so wishful thinking for everything or at least some of what he said to be a plan. But yes I'm also realistic and I don't have expectations because these are new writers maybe if the old writers were still working for the show I would have had higher expectations but now they are at a minimal level, so what I'm doing is analyzing things based on what I see and on a belief that even by hindi soap standards they won't cross certain limits. When we fight with loved ones, we have angry expressions on our faces, that doesn't mean we hate them no matter how many hurtful words we utter, or how much anger is shown in our eyes but it doesn't mean we stopped loving them. If he didn't love her, he wouldn't be shown crying over the flashback of the kid with the broken photoframe, when all u have is anger and indifference u dont cry in pain. Another thing that went unoticed is what seemed like him wiping a tear when he left after handing Avni the divorce papers. Since the mowgli truth was out we have never really watched a scene of Neil being all alone without anyone with him, the one which we saw was him crying and then Mithali coming to tell him to not get engaged, yet to see how he feels when no one is there with him to see his reactions!

So the guy makes sense to me honestly even if I didn't want him to behave in a certain way, but realistically I find whatever he did quite understandable

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Survival

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Posted: 7 years ago

#14

@Himani123

If Avni did things for Neil even he did things for her, if she suffered because of his past read Juhi and had her life in danger, even he suffered because of people from her past Amol-DVM and had his life in danger, if she saved him, he also saved her, if he doesn't understand her now due to his pain, even she didn't understand him at some point due to her pain, so keeping a hisab kitab between them is a wrong thing I feel

Another thing, from your type of analysing things, ok they didn't make Neil always succeed in his missions because for CVs they needed to involve Avni and they needed to show villain also winning to some point, but ok away from CVs logic and writing since it goes both for Avni and Neil, let's analyze it it this way, so for you just because my life partner failed as u call it in doing something I should start ignoring what he thinks and what I promised him and do all things by my own because mind you he won't understand because this is exactly what Avni told Ali when she was making a back up plan of running with Mishti!!!

Sorry to say, when we get married, no matter how tough the going is, we trust each other, we respect the other's opinion, we respect the promises at least the ones we can keep, we don't take such major decisions alone even when we think about safety, we don't hide things this way especially such fundamental things, I can't live with a man if he keeps breaking his promises, if he will tell me today I won't do that and does it the very next day, I won't trust a man who keeps leaving me whenever there is some danger just because he thinks that's the best way to save me! I would want a man who wouldn't break my trust, whom I can trust fully, who would take my opinion and what I say seriously. Neil's motto has always been honesty, even when he discovered and thought he has a daughter from a previous relationship he didn't hide it from her, what happened in the jal track was an exception and the only exception by the way and it even came as a reaction to Avni's actions and broken promises and please don't compare her promises to this, because his promises of keeping her happy are idealisitc promises but we know life is unpredictable so no one can really keep u happy unless destiny wants it but when u make a promise about a concrete thing such as I won't go to somewhere or I want do something in particular and then break it that's a serious thing and no one will trust u if you keep breaking it all the time no matter how much good are ur intentions

You don't control circumstances,life can make you face any kind of challenges, but when people get married they promise to stick together through thick and thin, no matter what is the problem, they promise to face it together and not one to solve it all alone or leave, that's the major problem with Avni most of the time. The minimum you would require is your partner to not hide things from u, how can u live a life where u are all the time tensed with regards to your partner hiding some thing from you or leaving you, Neil had always this fear of losing Avni!

Edited by Survival - 7 years ago

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Himani128

@Himani128

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Posted: 7 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: Chocolatebond
yes as a avNeil fan and Neil fan too I can never accept two things he did i.e Neil getting engaged to Mitali even after knowing about Mowgli being is son and Neil comparing and saying that Mitali could be a better mother and questioning / insulting avni's motherhood
No amount of justification could be acceptable for these two atleast for me
Right now I feel it's only his ego despite everything I genuinely don't feel any true love behind Neil fighting for custody but will be happy to proved wrong in the upcoming days if they showed that it's his true concern and love for his son and he was not doing all this out of his ego, anger and to revenge Avni for the Pain she caused him by faking death and hiding mowgli's identity

Exactly afsana! Insulting her motherhood is the biggest mistake.

He didn't even think for once than a person who love his so called wedlock child more than her own . How can she do this to her own son?

Wasn't this enough to raise the doubt in him that to which extent the danger was.

Avni was dead in front of world . Vidhyut is arrested. If by any chance any of vidhyuts follower would have seen avni with a child, more than avni child has life threat.

Where is the cop Neil Khanna for God sake bring him back

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Himani128

@Himani128

Dazzler

Posted: 7 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: Survival
@Himani123

If Avni did things for Neil even he did things for her, if she suffered because of his past read Juhi and had her life in danger, even he suffered because of people from her past Amol-DVM and had his life in danger, if she saved him, he also saved her, if he doesn't understand her now due to his pain, even she didn't understand him at some point due to her pain, so keeping a hisab kitab between them is a wrong thing I feel

Another thing, from your type of analysing things, ok they didn't make Neil always succeed in his missions because for CVs they needed to involve Avni and they needed to show villain also winning to some point, but ok away from CVs logic and writing since it goes both for Avni and Neil, let's analyze it it this way, so for you just because my life partner failed as u call it in doing something I should start ignoring what he thinks and what I promised him and do all things by my own because mind you he won't understand because this is exactly what Avni told Ali when she was making a back up plan of running with Mishti!!!

Sorry to say, when we get married, no matter how tough the going is, we trust each other, we respect the other's opinion, we respect the promises at least the ones we can keep, we don't take such major decisions alone even when we think about safety, we don't hide things this way especially such fundamental things, I can't live with a man if he keeps breaking his promises, if he will tell me today I won't do that and does it the very next day, I won't trust a man who keeps leaving me whenever there is some danger just because he thinks that's the best way to save me! I would want a man who wouldn't break my trust, whom I can trust fully, who would take my opinion and what I say seriously. Neil's motto has always been honesty, even when he discovered and thought he has a daughter from a previous relationship he didn't hide it from her, what happened in the jal track was an exception and the only exception by the way and it even came as a reaction to Avni's actions and broken promises and please don't compare her promises to this, because his promises of keeping her happy are idealisitc promises but we know life is unpredictable so no one can really keep u happy unless destiny wants it but when u make a promise about a concrete thing such as I won't go to somewhere or I want do something in particular and then break it that's a serious thing and no one will trust u if you keep breaking it all the time no matter how much good are ur intentions

You don't control circumstances,life can make you face any kind of challenges, but when people get married they promise to stick together through thick and thin, no matter what is the problem, they promise to face it together and not one to solve it all alone or leave, that's the major problem with Avni most of the time. The minimum you would require is your partner to not hide things from them, how can u live a life where u are all the time tensed with regards to your partner hiding some thing from you or leaving you, Neil had always this fear of losing Avni!

It's not about hisab kitab dear. What I wanted to explain is she saw how Neil became when he came to know juhi is alive and he can't save her .

She also saw him how he became when he arrested her.

The law follower became against the law.

At both moments he broke completely. Her biggest fear was what if he fails this time?

And at this time the matter is more worse than previous. His father killed her mother accidentally unknown to him. On top of it vidhyut has a video proof ready.

On top of it will prakash be able to bear the guilt of snactching her daughter's support system.

Things were completely out of their hands. Even if she shares the things vidhyut did to Neil. Firstly he will be hocked and then in guilt. Does she have time for all this.

On top of it she knows that actual target was not neela but was Neil.

Will family be able to bear it? What if Neil fails again, this time even she can't handle bcoz things were more worse.

Only option she has is to remove the main cause from roots. I.e. her.

She is constantly doing majboori Jap then too why Neil is not understanding that something fishy is there.

Neil Khanna you better be the well wisher of avni

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Indira

@Indira1211

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Posted: 7 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: Survival
@Himani128

No one said what he is doing is right, but from where he stands it makes sense to him, just the moment he was stretching his hand towards his child, Avni grabbed him and left again enforcing that feeling of abandonment and rejection, made the feeling of him being wronged all the more stronger and by the same means made him come with this defense mechanism (though it's not the ideal defense mechanism) to protect himself from the immense pain, he is convincing himself that he can move on marry another woman who loves him instead of the one who abondoned him, fight for his son's custody, all these are ways for him where he thinks he is doing the right thing by rebuilding his life again, he will realise later that it's not the case

somehow the way he's behaving and his dialogues ...we can't let Avni win:::: we must beat Avni::: it's coming across as more revenge...he's finally got something to take from Avni so she'll suffer the way he has...he does want to spend time with his son...but I think his feelings for Avni overshadow everything else...he didn't even once think about getting together with Avni for the sake of his son..so his son is not his priority now ...it's getting back at Avni for the lost 10 years. That's just how it is coming across for many of us ..

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ILTHBEB

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Posted: 7 years ago

#18

Neil's insulting toward avni's motherhood is definitely not never acceptable . I won't even enter in discussion on spouse's faults. But my question has avni even given respect to her motherhood hiding mugli's mother name to him since his birth? Make believe him that he has no mother. Make her own kid call her in name of jaan didi in lieu of the most beautiful name of the world ' ma'! Here also no justification is worked for avni's behavior towards her own kid. She herself also failed to give respect her motherhood whole heartedly. amid The fight between parents of mugli I only feel for this poor kid.

@TM: nice post. Loved to read it from 1st to last.

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sandhir.candy

@sandhir.candy

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Posted: 7 years ago

#19

I know Neil is justified in his anger & even in wanting the custody of Mowgli.

But you said one thing that he didn't do anything to defame Avni & I don't know what's your definition of defaming is bcz to me calling a woman manipulator & trying to prove her a woman of bad condor & character is defaming Avni.

I am not even talking about him questioning her motherhood, I am talking about the insults he threw at Avni in court.

& if you are going to compare old Neil who didn't insult Avni after getting married for example of him not being vengeful, then I can also say Avni trusts Neil the most bcz she was cemented alive in the wall bcz she trusted Neil or stayed with him even when he brought his ex home & his supposed love child as well & put them all under one roof.

But you & I both know there's a bit of distrust b/w them when it concerns legal matters & it's more about her distrust on system than on him. But he was a part of system so it mostly reflected like she distrust him & not system. Anyway so back to your topic of revenge or justice, I feel it's revenge, doesn't matter if the person don't name it as such.

This Neil is insulting Avni & in the court argument, you can clearly feel the difference where Avni's each argument is for Mowgli but Neil's were more on questioning Avni's character.

Even honor killers thinks they are doing the honorable thing by killing the people, doesn't mean it's really honorable. The same way Neil thinking one way or other doesn't justify his recent actions.

& yes, I agree even Avni can't be justified in keeping Mowgli away from Neil. Bcz I won't be a hypocrite.

But I guess you will justify Neil's actions by saying he is just doing it to win the custody, & it's not a dirty tactic that he is focusing on proving Avni a manipulator than on proving himself a better parent. Bcz he have to prove her a bad person(note that I said person & not parent) to paint himself a good parent.

So yeah, you can keep your opinions & I will keep my opinion. This is a revenge.

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Survival

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Rocker

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Posted: 7 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: Indira1211
somehow the way he's behaving and his dialogues ...we can't let Avni win:::: we must beat Avni::: it's coming across as more revenge...he's finally got something to take from Avni so she'll suffer the way he has...he does want to spend time with his son...but I think his feelings for Avni overshadow everything else...he didn't even once think about getting together with Avni for the sake of his son..so his son is not his priority now ...it's getting back at Avni for the lost 10 years. That's just how it is coming across for many of us ..

Now away from Avni-Neil who is right and who is wrong, but logically when u think a person u did nothing but love unconditionally destroyed ur life, doesn't want u in her life and all she keeps giving u is pain after pain, shock after shock even after losing 10long years of ur life, even after losing the job u worked hard for because u thought you are underserving since u couldn't save her, when u look back and see that all this was absolutely for nothing and that even after seeing ur pain this person still kept hiding from u and still wanted to stay away from u and left u and has her own goals in life, and finally u try to move on by any means, starting from somewhere and yet again she comes there and u get to discover there is another truth she has hidden from u this one is bigger than all what she has hidden from u in the past, a kid, won't u go out of ur mind and think the worst, won't you think this person despite all the pain she has given u is still given u more and more, won't you want by any means to prove her that now bas she won't destroy your life more and she should stay away from u and that this time u won't give her the pleasure to see u crying and broken but u will rather try to not let her win by making a joke of ur pain and u would rather try to move on with ur engagement and fight for ur rights over ur kid and the lost ten years u spent without him

Why does the sentence "Avni should get the punishment for her deeds" or "I can't let her win this " have to mean that he wants revenge?!. He just wants justice, he doesn't want a person he thinks wronged him and doesn't care about him in her life, to keep inflicting pain on him and seeing him suffer and break, he wants to pull the pieces of his life back together and focus on the things that might help him mend his life and get some sort of a normal life

Edited by Survival - 7 years ago

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