How to Write Saas-Bahu Soaps: An article looking at the industry

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I was sent this article from an outside website & thought it was worth sharing. I hope it's not against any rules or anything. It's long but definitely worth a read!

But you can see the mentality of these BT writers especially - bechari sacrificing FL, dumb or dumba** ML...it's "what the people want", you see.

Women empowerment through regressive female stereotypes and functionally useless men is all the rage since the 2000s. YHM is just the newest experiment - where they took a half balanced show and slowly over 2.5 years dismantled everything to fit and take to new extremes the crap man and poor woman stuff.

May one day in our mere lives will we be blessed with half normal men and women on desi TV with balanced relationships & not the sick jokes they try to sell as couples on TV, may we stop seeing the preachy, sacrificing always write FLs that the soap world revolves around, and may they stop keeping 1D characteristics to all characters on these soaps.

But that's a bit far-fetched for an industry run on stereotypes, lack of morals, and so on 😕

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Lather, Rinse, Repeat

How to write a saas-bahu saga

By SUMEGHA GULATI | 1 June 2016
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Ekta Kapoor's latest production, Naagin, remains the most watched show on Indian television, and has popularised blending of supernatural elements with the saas-bahu genre.

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ON A BRIGHT AFTERNOON IN MID APRIL, on the fifth floor of the Balaji Telefilms building in Mumbai, Rajesh Joshi, the most influential soap opera writer in the country, sat at his desk scratching his brow. His hair was a mess. Just above his chair, a small shrine jutted out from the wall, in which little idols of Hindu gods sat draped in sequined clothes. Around the desk sat three other writers, waiting for him to speak. Joshi stared at his notes.

The meeting had been called to discuss the plot of the third episode of a new serial by the production house run by Ekta Kapoor. It would be called Kawach, meaning "armour," and would soon air on the channel Colors TV. Kawach would replace Naagin, also a Joshi-Balaji product, which popularised a formula that blended supernatural elements into the saas-bahu genre, and remains the most popular show on Indian television. Kawach, which Balaji hoped would be its new blockbuster, would have everything that Naagin had, and more: love, seduction, black magic, ghosts and even a bit of skin on show.

It would be about a rich Rajput family, the Bundelas, who are threatened by the reappearance of an old nemesis: Manjulika, an evil witch, usually dressed in strapless blouses and given to breaking into dance at regular intervals. In the first two episodes, the witch befriends the show's hero, Rajbir Bundela, by casting a spell on him, and comes to stay with the family, in disguise. Rajbir, who's supposed to get married in two days, starts mistreating his fianc"Paridhi, the show's female lead"endangering their relationship. Joshi was trying to decide what would happen next.

"Let's discuss the highest point of the episode," Joshi said. Paridhi would follow a possessed Rajbir into a forest near the city, he explained. She'd see him going to a lake, out of which Manjulika would emerge completely wet. Rajbir would watch Manjulika dance to a song, and then the two would embrace.

"Thoda intimacy ko badhaana hoga" (We need to increase the intimacy), Joshi said. He then suggested a solution: "Manjulika's dupatta will fall off." Paridhi, watching them from a distance, would be perturbed. "No girl will be able to bear that her fianc is hugging another woman." He paused for about 30 seconds as his subordinates took notes, and then clarified that Paridhi should look absolutely convinced about their affair. "Woh ullu-ki-patthi nahi lagni chahiye" (She shouldn't look like a moron), he told the writers.

After discussing a couple of other scenes, Joshi suggested an important sequence that would bring out the essential differences between the characters of Paridhi and Manjulika"the "heroine" and the "vamp."

"Let's do a dinner scene," Joshi said. Manjulika would bring mutton into the house.

"She will eat clumsily and hastily, smearing mutton all over her mouth," Joshi said, digging his hands into an imaginary plate and shoving meat into his face. Paridhi is a vegetarian. She will wonder how "America-returned Manjulika does not have the right table manners. Paridhi would be so disgusted that she would run away and puke," he said, contorting his face and mock-retching. "Manjulika loves non-veg. She will explain to Rajbir that mutton is her favourite dish. She could not control herself."

About 40 minutes into the meeting, Natasha, a trainee writer, who had been quietly taking notes, spoke hesitantly. "Won't you use anything from the draft I wrote?" she said.

Joshi smiled, and asked her to narrate one of the sequences she had suggested.

"When Manjulika does the black magic," Natasha began, "a burning flame will enter the Bundela household. Dadi""the grandmother""will wake up and follow the flame. It will slowly float through the air and finally, go out of the window as Dadi watches. The flame will reach an old tree and plant itself in a woodpecker's hole. As soon as it touches it, sensing an evil power, bats will fly out of the tree."

Joshi pondered the idea for almost a minute, then asked, "But what is the logic behind the flame? Why is it there?" Natasha stared at him, unsure how to respond. Joshi then laid out a fine distinction for the fledgling trainee writer.

"A jyot""a flame"is not black magic," Joshi explained. "Rather, it signifies spirits and ghosts. There is a huge difference between the two." He emphasised that the plot was currently focussed on black magic, and a jyot could only be used in ghost sequences. "Yeh ek aatma ka kaam hai. Jab hum aage ghost sequence karenge, tab aise plots dhoond dhoond ke laana."(This is all ghost business. When we do a ghost sequence in the future, that's when you should bring me such plots.)

"We cannot mix black magic with ghosts," he told Natasha sternly.

INDIAN TELEVISION IS FLOODED with shows like Kawach right now. The most successful shows across Hindi general entertainment channels, or GECs, have a variety of supernatural elements: black magic, evil spirits, witchcraft and"perhaps the most popular of them all"the mythical ichchhadhari naagin, a shape-shifting snake-woman.

Obsessed with these tropes, television creates a bizarre, alternate reality. In one show, a seemingly innocuous daughter-in-law turns out to be a venomous, shape-shifting snake. On another, the greatest challenge in a woman IPS officer's life is to save her husband and his family from dark powers. And in period dramas, historical figures such as Ashoka and Akbar ward off seductive naagins besides ruling their kingdoms.

But this is only the latest fad to sweep the airwaves. When Gangaa, a show about a young widow's life, became popular, a bunch of shows with widows as protagonists were produced in quick succession. Before that, a show called Balika Vadhu set off the trend of having children as central characters. With more than 50 soap operas being aired across four big networks that run GECs, competition in the industry is fierce. Each time a new idea works, producers descend on it like vultures.

And yet, many of these mild innovations happen within the strict confines of the saas-bahu template. Balaji effectively invented this template with Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi in 2000, and has successfully tweaked the formula several times since. Naagin was not only Balaji's biggest success since Kyunki, but it also sparked the recent mania for supernatural stories. Rajesh Joshi was head writer for both Naagin and Kyunki. Balaji's influence thus permeates the industry"in both the shows' content and the way they are produced.

Over the years, the industry has carefully fine-tuned the process of creating these stories to maximise viewership, and thus profits. Behind every show, a well-oiled corporate machinery performs intricate calculations about what plots or characters will or won't draw high television rating points, or TRPs. Writers like Joshi and his team are at the frontline of a war between channels for TRPs, and have to constantly churn out plot twists and eye-catching scenes to keep viewers riveted.

"There are set formulas for writing any daily soap," Joshi told me when I interviewed him at his office this February. "The win of good over evil is the essence of every show. Take any serial, the good will always win."

The approach leaves little room for creativity. Cliched formulas guide the development of characters and plots, and often pander to audiences' regressive beliefs and superstitions.

Joshi was frank about the cynical calculations writers have to make. "It is not written anywhere, in any book or research, that there is an ichchhadhari naagin," he said. "It is all bakwaas""nonsense""And we cash that bakwaas-ness. And we get the TRPs."

WHEN A NEW WRITER enters the industry, she is gradually taught a set of rules to follow in their scripting. These rules, considered essential to generating TRPs, are implemented by different departments of a production house as the script passes through them, almost as if on an assembly line.

Gitangshu Dey, a 28-year-old television writer, started his career with Balaji in 2007, and soon became a protg of Joshi, whom he calls "Raju bhai." For the first three years, he worked as a ghostwriter for Joshi, without receiving any credit. Having been an aficionado before he joined the industry, some of the rules were obvious to him"a for instance, that a dropped thali, the sudden extinguishing of a diya, a thunderstorm or shattering glass were all signs that terrible things were afoot.

But there were other rules that he learnt once he became an insider. He realised that, in a soap opera, time flowed much more slowly than in films, or even books. The shows generally aim to last for several years, sometimes even over a decade. "If you wrap the story plots too soon, you won't have anything to write after a year," Dey told me. "So if a scene has potential to get TRPs, the writer will try to milk it fully."

This can have absurd consequences. In the show Ek Ghar Banaunga, the hero and heroine elope and get married. When the hero brings his new wife home, his family refuses to allow her inside. A marathon of deliberations and negotiations begins within the family about whether to let her in. "For 15 episodes, the heroine kept standing at the chaukhat," or doorstep, an executive who worked on the show told me.

One night, Joshi took Dey to a meeting at Ekta Kapoor's bungalow in Juhu. "Meetings with Ekta are like classes," Dey said. "She stressed on characters a lot." Kapoor told him to continually strive to make his characters more lovable.

Balaji taught Dey that the heroine needed to be what they considered an "ideal" figure"an ideal daughter-in-law, an ideal wife, an ideal mother or an ideal sister. "The moment you take her out of that mould, the popularity plummets," he said.

But what constitutes "ideal"?

Dey explained that, for one, the heroine must always be self-sacrificing. "Take any female lead from any show"extrovert, introvert, beautiful, ugly," he told me. "She will be an epitome of sacrifice." The heroine must give up her own joys and wishes for the sake of her family. Furthermore, her character must be submissive. "Quiet submission," according to Dey, "is a trait appreciated by the Indian audience."

An ideal heroine contrasts sharply with the evil vamp, who is shown wearing garish make-up, and is dressed in a way a conservative audience finds provocative. "There is little scope for grey," Dey told me. "The characters are either white or black."

The vamp derives sadistic pleasure from creating trouble for the protagonist. Since such characters are one-dimensional, Dey pointed out, the audience can grow bored of them easily. So, after a while, they either die or are thrown out of the family and disappear forever. Soon, fresh evil takes their place.

Dey soon realised the writers' department had limited control over stories. Besides Joshi, he was also answerable to "creative""executives hired to ensure the production process was oriented towards maximising TRPs. Dey was in fact interviewed by a creative, and not a writer, before he was recruited by Balaji. The production house introduced the use of creatives in the industry, and gave them a wide mandate to enforce storytelling rules. One such rule, for instance, mandated that the heroine must be present in at least 70 percent of the scenes in an episode. If she wasn't, a creative could demand that a writer redraft the episode.

Over the years, Dey familiarised himself with formulas for plot twists. One beloved of the industry is dulhan badal jana, or the bride swap. Though the term suggests a situation where a bride other than the intended one arrives at the mandap, the industry also uses it more generally, to refer to plots where a wedding is obstructed for one or another reason. A heroine might, for instance, go missing at the last minute, or a hero who had been presumed dead might return to object to a wedding. (Dead people, of course, are never unequivocally dead in a soap. A character can be poisoned, shot in the head from close range and thrown off a cliff, and still come back within a few episodes. A temporary death is one of the most effective plot movers.)

Dey learnt other popular plot-advancing tricks, many of which were derived from old American soaps such as Days of Our Lives. In the world of soap operas, an evil double might replace a character, complicating the lives of those around them. Simple miscommunications ruin relationships forever. Streaks of horrible luck are unending. Besides all this, of course, there's always an evil conspiracy brewing against the protagonists, possibly involving black magic.

In August 2015, after eight years of assisting other writers, Dey was hired as the head writer for the show Tashan-e-Ishq, about a love triangle set in Punjab. Apart from creatives, he now has to deal with other corporate departments. The research team, for instance, which collects audience responses through surveys, fan emails and phone calls, has a say in every matter. Recently, he strayed away from a cardinal rule by making his central female character "independent, bubbly and outgoing." The research team soon informed him that the audience did not like her. She was too "strong-headed."

"So I had to turn the character around a bit," he told me. He made her "more caring," and began making her "do things for her family." The heroine needs to be involved in family affairs, he said. "It is expected of her to solve household problems." She gradually became ideal again. "Just like Sita," Dey said.

IN THE WINTER OF 1982, Vasant Sathe, then India's information and broadcasting minister, went on a trip to Mexico. There, Sathe came across a wildly popular Mexican television series called Ven Conmigo, or Come With Me. Ven Conmigo was set in a literacy class for adults, whose students were the show's main characters. The series was not only a huge success, but also led to a ninefold increase in enrolment in literacy programs in the country the year after it first aired.

Sathe was impressed. He met Miguel Sabido, the television executive behind the show, and invited him to India. Sabido, by then, was also associated with Population Communication International, a New York-based non-profit organisation formed with the aim of tackling global population growth. Soon, Sabido and the head of the organisation, David Poindexter, visited India and met Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. They proposed an entertaining television series for the state-owned Doordarshan"the only television channel in the country at the time"which would sell the message of family planning to the Indian audience. Gandhi took to the idea.

In September 1983, the duo, along with SS Gill, the secretary of the information and broadcasting ministry, started scouting for scriptwriters. Out of 25 short-listed candidates, they chose Manohar Shyam Joshi"a respected Hindi writer and journalist, who would go on to win a Sahitya Akademi Award in 2005 for one of his novels. Shyam Joshi readied the script for the first 12 episodes of the series, centred around the trials and tribulations of a poor family, which would air for the first time on 7 July 1984 as Hum Log, or We the People. It was India's first soap opera.

Through the 1980s, Shyam Joshi wrote a spate of shows that would define the television of the era:Buniyaad, Kakaji Kahin and Mungerilal Ke Haseen Sapne, among others. Subsequent shows on Doordarshan such as Nukkad and Yeh Jo Hai Zindagi were also about issues concerning the middle and lower-middle classes. They were scripted by left-liberal writers, whose ideas overlapped with the Indian welfare state's developmental agenda.

"What was interesting was the visibility of people from the lower economic strata," Abhijit Roy, a professor of film studies at Jadavpur University, told me. "Nukkad, for example, showed beggars, vagabonds, drunkards, maids, sweepers"all part of a community." And yet, even these shows hardly ever dealt with social hierarchies of caste and gender.

In 1991, economic liberalisation opened the door for private channels, and soon Star India and Zee Network were in competition with Doordarshan. Until then, shows were not being written for profit, but for what their makers considered a progressive agenda. Star and Zee began to instead produce shows with the intention of grabbing the most eyeballs. Televisions were still expensive commodities, found mostly in urban, elite homes. So the shows produced in the mid 1990s were directed at this audience: Hasratein was about a businessman's wife having an extramarital affair; Banegi Apni Baat explored urban college life; and Shanti had a woman journalist as the central character.

After Ekta Kapoor, the daughter of the famous actor Jeetendra, launched Balaji Telefilms Private Limited in November 1994, she quickly found success with her show Hum Paanch, a comedy about an urban middle-class family with five daughters. Her subsequent shows in the 1990s mostly followed the dominant trend of the time, and achieved only mild success.

Through the 1990s, the global information-technology boom saw television sets become cheaper and their technology smarter. Economic liberalisation had removed barriers to multinational companies, and, according to one survey, 1,378 brands in 19 consumer goods categories (including televisions) entered the Indian market between 1990 and 1996. By the end of the millenium, colour televisions had become commonplace in even low-income households.

The year 2000 was a turning point for both Kapoor and Indian television. In July of that year, Balaji launched Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi"one of the first shows to be produced after detailed research on homes that had cable television, and one that aimed to appeal to its audience's perceptions of society. In Kyunki, a poor Brahmin priest's daughter, Tulsi, marries the scion of a business family"a marriage of Hindu religious values with capitalism. The saas-bahu soap opera was born.

Though these shows depicted initial tension between the mother-in-law and daughter-in-law, the two eventually became allies in preserving the old cultural ways of families that had newly turned capitalist. The mutton-chomping, skin-showing vamp was portrayed as a threat to the old order. According to Roy, these serials were expressions of "Hindutva's post-liberalisation claim to the modern state."

Any inconvenient facts about the religion underlying these shows would be omitted. Besides the evident dominant-caste status of the main characters, soap operas constructed a caste-less world. The journalist Sadanand Menon told me that this indicated the caste and class statuses of the show-makers. "If you look for Dalits working in TV media today, you would find there probably are none."

Kyunki's success was unprecedented. It became the number one show on Indian television, achieving TRPs that no show has been able to match since. Kapoor soon started a number of Kyunki replicas, such as Kahaani Ghar Ghar Kii and Kasautii Zindagii Kay, often referred to as the K-Series. By the mid 2000s, almost half of the top ten shows on television were Balaji products. Ekta's only competition was Ekta.

IN 2008, after having dominated the airwaves for eight years, the K-series suddenly saw a decline in its TRPs. In September of that year, as the audience's interest in the simple saas-bahu plot was beginning to wane, Colors TV"a channel newly launched by Network 18"began a serial called Balika Vadhu. It was a massive success. The show, about the tradition of child marriage in rural Rajasthan, soon became the top rated show on television.

Among Balika Vadhu's strengths was the fact that it was set in a village. According to data released by the Broadcast Audience Research Council in September 2015, out of the total 153.5 million television-watching households in India, over 50 percent are located in rural areas and small towns. Beginning in the late 2000s, the urban, educated audience was moving to laptops, and seeking entertainment online. It was this vast rural audience, then, that producers turned their attention to. Balika Vadhu's success would spawn a number of shows set in rural households, and many more in which characters spoke in regional dialects. Its head writer was a man called Purnendu Shekhar.

The show stood out for its lack of soap opera trademarks. It was an attempt at a realistic depiction of a Rajasthani household. The protagonist was an eight-year-old girl, and there was no vamp. The plot was about the daily struggles of a young child bride. Each storyline sought to deal with a specific social issue: girls' education, domestic violence, teen pregnancy, marital rape, and the ostracisation of child widows, among many others. Shekhar was breaking all the rules of the industry and still getting TRPs. In September 2015, Balika Vadhu completed 2,000 episodes, becoming the longest-running show in Indian television history. It broke the record of Kyunki, which lasted 1,833 episodes.

Shekhar is unconventional in many other ways. For instance, the writing for 60 or so soap operas currently on air are divided among only about a dozen established writers, such as Rajesh Joshi, Shashi Mittal and Sonali Jaffar. With each writer handling up to five shows at a time, they often hire ghostwriters to help them out. But Shekhar told me that Balika Vadhu is the only show he is working on, and that he has never employed ghostwriters. "I like concentrating on one thing at a time," he said when I met him at his office on Link Road, four plots away from the Balaji building.

Shekhar believes there are no formulas for writing a good show. He said his writing comes entirely from instinct. I asked him how he comes up with plots for a show that has been running for so long. "You start with the seed, it grows roots and a trunk," he told me. "Eventually, there are different branches, or story tracks, with flowers and fruits."

He does not follow the "heroine-vamp" pattern either. He said his negative characters never realise that they are negative. The complex Mangala in Balika Vadhu is an example. Unlike the heroine, Anandi, who speaks her mind and fights for what she thinks is right, Shekhar wrote Mangala as timid and weak"keen on enjoying simple things in life, such as playing with colours on Holi. But her cultural tradition denies her these things because she is a widow. When her brother-in-law, Akhiraj, makes sexual advances towards her, she pretends to be possessed by the spirit of a Hindu goddess. Akhiraj, a superstitious man, wouldn't dare touch a woman possessed by the divine. This becomes a defence mechanism, and she pretends to be possessed every time she wants to do something prohibited to her, such as go out and play Holi. The problems Mangala eventually creates on the show, such as running away with Anandi's daughter, come out of excessive love, not any straightforward negative traits.

These subtle complexities are often missed by the executives who work on the show. In 2008, before the show had started, the producers approached the actor Surekha Sikri, who would go on to play the popular character of Dadisa"the ageing matriarch of the family. Sikri was briefed about the role by a creative. Later, she called up Shekhar and asked, "Purnendu-ji, why is the Dadisa character so negative?"

Shekhar, unaware of the brief the creative had given Sikri, told her that the character wasn't negative at all. "I told her it is the conflict of beliefs that needs to be portrayed. Dadisa is a prisoner to her beliefs." Dadisa was a child bride once and saw her grandmother-in-law mistreat her mother-in-law. Her mother-in-law mistreated her, and she passed it on to her own daughters-in-law. But when Dadisa's daughter-in-law wants to educate her own daughter-in-law, Anandi, the show's protagonist, the tradition gets broken. "The problem lies in questioning of age-old customs," Shekhar said.

But Dadisa is also portrayed as a caring and protective figure. The channel once requested Shekhar to make the character of Dadisa more negative to improve TRPs. Shekhar refused. "The story of each character should flow like a river," he told me.

Dadisa's character is based on Shekhar's own grandmother, just as Anandi's character is based on his mother, who was married off when she was only 15. "She""his mother""was never treated as a child in her in-laws' home," Shekhar told me. Dadisas character is especially admired for being rooted in Rajasthani culture. "In Rajasthan, we would say she has thaska"a kind of bold arrogance," Shekhar said. Most of the material in Balika Vadhu has come from the Rajasthani household he grew up in. According to Shekhar, a writer has to understand the Hindu family ethos to do well in this industry.

But Shekhar's writing poses only a limited challenge to the existing social order. His critique of gender is limited to attacking outright evils, and often ignores subtle biases. And the world of Balika Vadhu is as caste-less as that of any other show. But despite these issues, given the industry that he is a part of, Shekhar's show does represent a degree of social consciousness.

Balika Vadhu's ratings have suffered since the trend of supernatural stories began taking hold. When I checked in May, it was not on the list of the ten most viewed shows on television. Instead, Naagin occupied the top spot, with three other shows with supernatural themes for company on the list. With Naagin, Kapoor returned to the top position after almost eight years. "Indian TV is going through its lowest, dirtiest phase right now," Shekhar told me. "Bhoot, pret""a supernatural content""is what the audience wants today."

He finds this to be a steep decline from the 1980s, which he considers the golden era of television, when Doordarshan was the only channel, and writers such as Manohar Shyam Joshi, and directors such as Ramesh Sippy and Kundan Shah, worked in television. "They were sahityakaars""litterateurs, Shekhar said. "Today, anybody has become a writer."

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^^ I posted this article on some thread here.😆
It is the reason why it makes so much sense whats happening with YHM or especially on GEC. A youth channel or shows which ain't catering to trp audience still be able to sustain or can experiment but not GEC or BT> They have perfected the formula.

It always starts with a love story where Ekta again referencing one article insists on girl be perennial virgin and guy , arrogant , brute. Play off the chemistry and then for plot and drama bring out the vamp or 3rd angle. Hence Shagun never goes because then the journey of the show is re-enforcing FL as the victor over antagonist. Villains never win and MLs are used to center the plot.

Worse, the way they view intimacy on the show. Take YHM for example the lollipop scenes are not for a story narration but a click-bait or even the consummation track which was part of a bigger plot rather than handling it sensitivity.

The target audience of these shows anywhere around the world are women who are long suppressed, or who have husbands like Raman or have internalized patriarchy , they relate to this idea of FL..who suffers , yet is vindicated..sacrificing , yet gets it all. It's a mirage which is sold , in many ways it sells the notion of emotional abuse and lack of respect between two partners as a "romantic notion" ..the damage on the psyche. Add to now where the show has disrespected infertile women to this extent..the taunts they have heard in real life became more real and they want Ishita to fight back hence invested in her journey..emotional manipulation at it's finest.

You know we mock shows like Naagin or sns but sad reality is they are not as damaging as this show because nobody would take sns or Naagin shit seriously.But people take YHM seriously.

Forum audience- one section rightfully chides Raman for hi behaviour or talks about male domination but then thats the catch , BT wants you to do it..because that earns them trps and audience.
And if we defend the love story, it perpetuate the idea of a dysfunctional abusive relationship , again working for BT, because that means their core arc is still selling.

It's a formula that works and they tweak it here and there to give a feel of freshness.

Ekta gets the actors who have chemistry and rest is the same old trick.

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^^ I posted this article on some thread here.😆

It is the reason why it makes so much sense whats happening with YHM or especially on GEC. A youth channel or shows which ain't catering to trp audience still be able to sustain or can experiment but not GEC or BT> They have perfected the formula.

It always starts with a love story where Ekta again referencing one article insists on girl be perennial virgin and guy , arrogant , brute. Play off the chemistry and then for plot and drama bring out the vamp or 3rd angle. Hence Shagun never goes because then the journey of the show is re-enforcing FL as the victor over antagonist. Villains never win and MLs are used to center the plot.

Worse, the way they view intimacy on the show. Take YHM for example the lollipop scenes are not for a story narration but a click-bait or even the consummation track which was part of a bigger plot rather than handling it sensitivity.

The target audience of these shows anywhere around the world are women who are long suppressed, or who have husbands like Raman or have internalized patriarchy , they relate to this idea of FL..who suffers , yet is vindicated..sacrificing , yet gets it all. It's a mirage which is sold , in many ways it sells the notion of emotional abuse and lack of respect between two partners as a "romantic notion" ..the damage on the psyche. Add to now where the show has disrespected infertile women to this extent..the taunts they have heard in real life became more real and they want Ishita to fight back hence invested in her journey..emotional manipulation at it's finest.

You know we mock shows like Naagin or sns but sad reality is they are not as damaging as this show because nobody would take sns or Naagin shit seriously.But people take YHM seriously.

Forum audience- one section rightfully chides Raman for hi behaviour or talks about male domination but then thats the catch , BT wants you to do it..because that earns them trps and audience.
And if we defend the love story, it perpetuate the idea of a dysfunctional abusive relationship , again working for BT, because that means their core arc is still selling.

It's a formula that works and they tweak it here and there to give a feel of freshness.

Ekta gets the actors who have chemistry and rest is the same old trick.


@bold - bingo. I think naagin, kaavch, and SSK are utterly and mindlessly stupid, even SNS...but they don't profess to touch social issues like YHM. I actually have never seen even an EK show that this blatantly took a sensitive topic and turned it to dust.

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I disagree about wanting to see Ishita as an infertile woman give it back b/c "giving it back" doesn't heal them...the infertile people this show drew were young at the 11:30 slot. It was a different market than being shown right now. Now you just have TRP viewers as a majority b/c why would someone watch a show to be constantly taunted when real life does enough of that?

However, this show has essentially cured Ishita of her infertility which was the first real insult to infertile people. Now they just throw around baanj and words like that as jokes...but there will be NO shock to me is Ishita turns up pregnant in the future...b/c by showing her miracle pregnancy lost only to an accident they've effectively opened the door to other natural pregnancies for her. If this time comes - what about infertile woman?

So I don't buy this constant parade about parenting for anything other than TRPs - the infertility point itself is moot b/c there isn't a message attached - it's just for extra ammo, emotional torture for the bechari FL, and potential guilt trips. Nothing positive will be shown about infertility in YHM bc the reality is since 7:30...nothing positive really has been shown - you've had a 7 year old as the only defense for an infertile woman, you've had magic pregnancy and miscarriage by accident, you've had secret surrogacy, and you've had manhoos...all TRP gimmicks to stretch the plot, add Shagun into the mix, and stretch the drama.

Infertile men and women watched this show bc it was about healing and second chances. Most have given up before this point. Now the people left watching are likely the aunties who hold stereotypes about infertility - the ones who would never want a spouse for their child who cannot bare children.
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I agree about Shagun though - they will never let go of her just in terms of a story b/c she is everything Ishita is not. A realistic, modern story would have her grey but she's becoming blacker as the anti-thesis of woman.

These TRP viewers may have internalized patriarchy to the degree they get a sadistic pleasure watching it play out for months b/c they know at the end of the male dominance gives rise to a strong female, a woman worth an episode of praise and apologies. Is it because that is what they want in life? To rise about their male oppressors and prove how without the woman, life is moot?

The mirage being sold is it's fine to be oppressed b/c undoubtedly you will rise above the oppressors. Utterly sick and disgusting - not just for women but men too. B/c in showing this - you see that a man can't be a good father/son/etc without the woman...the woman's worth lies in fixing the man who can't have any expectations or meaningful relations independent of the woman b/c how else can an oppressed woman find a purpose in the world...there is so much irony in the fact they cripple the man for the woman to stay shackled
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Hwhaha is it a good thing or a bad thing I was going wth .. about half the stuff written here..😆😆
But sadly that is the state of hindi soaps...and thank god I do not watch any other than YHM which will certainly be my last..😆
And rinse wash repeat is a reality. ..and so much so that writers do not even seek to 'think' anymore...

And about the supernatural crap..thus new one seems worse than all ramsay brothers put together..btw didn't Ishita also eat non veg in a messy manner in the bhooth track. .so rinse wash repeat for kavach now😆

Yhm for all its stupidity still sees some rare days of good writing ...i shudder to think that the audience laps up n so called supernatural crap and voyeurism in the name of weekend entertainment. ..is this the future of Indian telly which started with the likes of buniyaad, humlog..nukkad.. and even some beauties on zee tv when cable TV launched. ..sad🥱

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Originally posted by: bscorp13

Hwhaha is it a good thing or a bad thing I was going wth .. about half the stuff written here..😆😆

But sadly that is the state of hindi soaps...and thank god I do not watch any other than YHM which will certainly be my last..😆
And rinse wash repeat is a reality. ..and so much so that writers do not even seek to 'think' anymore...

And about the supernatural crap..thus new one seems worse than all ramsay brothers put together..btw didn't Ishita also eat non veg in a messy manner in the bhooth track. .so rinse wash repeat for kavach now😆

Yhm for all its stupidity still sees some rare days of good writing ...i shudder to think that the audience laps up n so called supernatural crap and voyeurism in the name of weekend entertainment. ..is this the future of Indian telly which started with the likes of buniyaad, humlog..nukkad.. and even some beauties on zee tv when cable TV launched. ..sad🥱


She did "eat" non-veg...but she was Shagun & didn't you see how grotesquely it was...just like it sounds like Kavach's scene was 😆

Tauba tauba if you are an Indian bahu who eats meat 😲

Man I literally wonder about the future of this industry - riddled with shows lasting >1000 episodes with no break, shows with 6 generations but no signs of aging, shows with crap or useless men, shows with suffering woman, and now add in even more naagins, bhoots, and makhis to the mix 😆
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@bold - bingo. I think naagin, kaavch, and SSK are utterly and mindlessly stupid, even SNS...but they don't profess to touch social issues like YHM. I actually have never seen even an EK show that this blatantly took a sensitive topic and turned it to dust.

I disagree about wanting to see Ishita as an infertile woman give it back. This show essentially cured Ishita of her infertility which was the first real insult to infertile people. Now they just throw around baanj and words like that as jokes...but there will be NO shock to me is Ishita turns up pregnant in the future...b/c by showing her miracle pregnancy lost only to an accident they've effectively opened the door to other natural pregnancies for her. If this time comes - what about infertile woman?

Infertile men and women watched this show bc it was about healing and second chances. Most have given up before this point. Now the people left watching are likely the aunties who hold stereotypes about infertility - the ones who would never want a spouse for their child who cannot bare children.

I agree about Shagun though - they will never let go of her just in terms of a story b/c she is everything Ishita is not. A realistic, modern story would have her grey but she's becoming blacker as the anti-thesis of woman.

These TRP viewers may have internalized patriarchy to the degree they get a sadistic pleasure watching it play out for months b/c they know at the end of the male dominance gives rise to a strong female, a woman worth an episode of praise and apologies. Is it because that is what they want in life? To rise about their male oppressors and prove how without the woman, life is moot?

The mirage being sold is it's fine to be oppressed b/c undoubtedly you will rise above the oppressors. Utterly sick and disgusting - not just for women but men too. B/c in showing this - you see that a man can't be a good father/son/etc without the woman...the woman's worth lies in fixing the man who can't have any expectations or meaningful relations independent of the woman b/c how else can an oppressed woman find a purpose in the world...there is so much irony in the fact they cripple the man for the woman to stay shackled


@bold..so true.. and that is the trend across GEC and across genres. .. and no I disagree that the naagins and sns are harmless..they are precisely the damn reason 'prime time' gets dished put what it finally does. .
Even in this article they conclude saying..heck we can write good stuff but then who will see it. L audiences loved naagin...so we will write copycats..sns is v running for 6 odd years now. .so an imbecile, mute male lead and a bechaari female lead and her oppression/redemption with a loud mouthed dominating but supporting saas..is what you see in 3 out of 4 soaps on prime time telly. Because. .'hey that's what sells you know between 7 pm and 10pm'...
Exceptions to the rule..like 11pm yhm...or some other interesting n stuff are sadly ignored as a fluke and the stereotypes remain stronger than ever. .and spawn more inane and far more regressive content. . Even in shows that start off with a good thought😊

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@bold..so true.. and that is the trend across GEC and across genres. .. and no I disagree that the naagins and sns are harmless..they are precisely the damn reason 'prime time' gets dished put what it finally does. .
Even in this article they conclude saying..heck we can write good stuff but then who will see it. L audiences loved naagin...so we will write copycats..sns is v running for 6 odd years now. .so an imbecile, mute male lead and a bechaari female lead and her oppression/redemption with a loud mouthed dominating but supporting saas..is what you see in 3 out of 4 soaps on prime time telly. Because. .'hey that's what sells you know between 7 pm and 10pm'...
Exceptions to the rule..like 11pm yhm...or some other interesting n stuff are sadly ignored as a fluke and the stereotypes remain stronger than ever. .and spawn more inane and far more regressive content. . Even in shows that start off with a good thought😊


True but those shows run so far from "social messages" and social topics...the worst of SNS social issue wise is gopi vahu's daughter getting married her sister's FIL. But to my knowledge which given the 2000+ episode span, they've never dramatized rape like BT does and so on, etc.

And didn't you appreciate the SNS twist on the saas-bahu dynamic of Kekta's KSBKBT/KGGH/etc - instead of the oppressive Saas...Kokilaben Modi has been team Gopi from day 1...she's tried to get Gopi to modernize and stand up for herself many times in the past (b/c I've probably seen 45% of the show in small chunks) 😳

YHM has days of good writing but the overall story encourages this grotesque relationship dynamic that @charminggenie points out. I occasionally feel horrible for wanting my lollipops from IshRa if I turn on my brain at all so to enjoy the good writing in YHM - I have to force myself to ignore the reality of what they are showing, which at times is hard (especially on IF). 😆
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@K13 - what comprises of trp audience?
Majority , if not all be women. Some on this very forum wanted a baby for Ishita through the natural way , I bet many still do . Even if defeats the basic purpose of Ishita's character and jokes about her condition . But the demand is still there.So why was this demand made? Because either they think Ishita lacked something or they felt she deserved motherhood..both in any case be selling a mirage , indirectly hinting at her vulnerability and want her to "win it all".

When I say infertile women who connected with this show , i meant some of them are still very invested in this show..their comments, posts show how much it affected them ,they would always come back to it. Then there are MILs, some women who just want escape, desi tv runs on sadist tendencies and masochist behaviour or why would anyway watch desi tv where women are humiliated, tortured by MILs etc ( the very ones which ran for years). Or why would love stories like KKM or any Gul show sell.
It's not even their fault, it's the cord this niche audience has formed which the makers like BT keeps on exploiting.

You are right , the show has made infertility a moot point especially after the time Ishita magically conceived. Or better, when Ruhi made that demand of a baby..ironically it was she who showed how Ishita didn't need to bear a baby to be a mother but the same kid demanding a baby made it all the more superficial.


Ah, the role of Male lead. Hot body, arrogance , wisecracks and chemistry -usually, 90% thats what they all need. They might give him some angst if this is a love story, half-baked at it, read Gul Shows. But in case of the time slot that has been given to YHM, the audience clearly seems to comprise of women who just want the ideal personification of the FL as a wife, mother, DIL etc. She be the end all, ghar ki laxmi, the one who handles the whole house- thats internalized patriarchy because this audience is alien or largely , to the concept of male or female sharing equal power in decision making , mistakes or running the house. The typical stereotype, women are jut focused around the house while the Male at max will have a work conflict- see thats the demarcation. It's not about 2 working parents struggling to manage the house but a super rich husband and a wife who is struggling with family woes..story of many houeholds , hence this sells.

Can it change , yes? But for that the stereotypes need to go .

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^@charminggenie - I'll do a more detailed response later b/c this is a fun convo...
But in YHM's case...do either Raman or Ishita actually work? In most shows like SNS you see the job demarcation...but here I can't tell if Raman is employed or not either. 😆

Even if it was a cheesy scene - I loved when they were taking care of Rohit and Raman took him to work and gave the cliched speech on sharing the burden with their wife...b/c that's what the world needs - men willing to step up and partake in household tasks and responsibilities...aka men willing to share the burden with their wives. Luckily from what I've heard younger, urban generations of Indians understand and practice the dynamic being a working couple.

I find so much irony in the fact India has beautiful, empowering, positive gender messages in commercials like this - https://www.facebook.com/sheryl/videos/10156510941810177/ - but they air during shows like the ones discussed above 🤓
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Hello krishy
I didn't read entire article
But I want to say something
May be I m going off topic
But I have to say this

Females r mahan males r nadan anjaan
Males r shaitaan haiwaan and females r abla nari

Ye sab khatam ho jayengi
Jis din hum gender ko bhool kar ek human being ki tarah sochenge
His din hum dominance torture in sab bade bade words ke sahi mtlb aur inki depth samjhenge
Jis din hum male ki har baat ko unki ego and fwmale ki had baat ko unki self respect se compare karna chod denge
Jis din him ye samajh jayenge ki self respect and ego jaise words insaan ne banaye h but emotions insaan ke andar bhagwan ne diye h
That's why emotions hamesha self respect and ego se pehle aate h
Jis din hum self respect and ego ke beech fark karna seekh jayenge
Jis din hum rishto ke sahi mayne samajh jayenge
Jis din hum samne wale ki dard aur takleef ko male or female ki jagah human being bankar saochenge
Us din hum log sach mein women empowerment ka mtlb samjhenge
Aur us din hamari society mein equality aayegi

PS: I m sorry for my long rant
And off topic and boring lecture

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