Sushpective: A Royal flip! (Pg 9 for comments on Rudra's Duty) - Page 9

Great post Sush.

What a cracker of a week. The show seems to have finally found its footing.

What really stood out for me is the transformation in Paro's character. Loved her Durga version, wielding a danda. So much for being a weak, village belle. I confess I was half-expecting Rudra to save her. Typical of desi soaps where the hero saves the heroine, and the woman is all googly eyes. Was pleasantly surprised that she managed to save herself, from the gun-wielding Thakur no less. You go girl! A complete closure to the Thakur track? Did find it a bit rushed. But since the actor is taking a break... itna toh chalta hai.

Really liked Paro's introspection and her conversation with Rukmini. The girl has her grit back. 'I will live, I will laugh again'. A positivity missing for so long.

Coming to the MU, it was kind of given. It is too early for mush. Just the awareness phase as of now. There has to be a reason for the two to be together to take the story forward. With the thakur track complete, Paro has no reason to stay on with Rudra. I am so glad we have no 'spoilers' on what's coming next. Keeps the suspense intact. Hoping they don't take the forced/hate marriage path. Would make no sense. If they need to bring in the marriage for TRPs... hope it is based on something else.

Now off to read your other posts for the week. :)

Originally posted by: ttt1

true that 😃

keeping her at home was a much more worse thing to show

like i said not for the sake of argument , when this show started the makers claimed to have done sufficient research

and i can bet my last dollar if they show all this witness torture track and army like this in a movie , the movie would have never got clearance from the censor board

isnt it unfair both TV and cinema has the same kind of reach , and in some cases i feel TV reach has higher reach than cinema , then shouldnt the makers show the same kind of responsibility

i am not saying they should make shows praising the army , i am saying they should not mis represent

BTW i am priya

I agree about the lack of research, Priya. I have no idea what the research was for, since we have a totally twisted view of the armed forces. Maybe they concentrated on the behavioural aspect and very little else, if any.

I agree with Sush about shows making a true representation of something. More research would have helped. There is no consultant of board, to help them out with the protocol issues. Plus, they tend of dumb down things. All said, this is a love story with the backdrop of army, and not vice versa. I am not sure if you watched LRL. That was gross misrepresentation... a show which was based on the army... the training.. creating officers/soldiers from young men and women. It was worse there since they had a consultant on board... the rank of a Colonel. The show did create a lot of brouhaha. The male lead quit for the same reason. The fauji kid in him could not accept the way the army was depicted.

Let alone the army, see the way the police is depicted in movies and tv. They have it far worse than the soldiers. A thankless job. Little or no respect. People jumping down their throat at any chance. In fact, barely any research goes into the technical details, irrespective of the field. Just check out other shows GH worked on. The one based on doctors was a complete disaster... bordering on a spoof. Another had a court scene where a college kid putting forward the case... the defense lawyer just nodding her head in agreement. And how can I miss the 'ping pong' bullet. Shot in the shoulder, and paralysed waist down.

I too am against censorship. Army has its own set of black sheep. And corruption. Makes it worse since these people have the responsibility of national security on their shoulders. In fact, I was glad they brought in the court martial track. If it was something brushed under the carpet... it would have been a worse misrepresentation. Rang de Basanti brought forward the corruption in the defence forces and ministry, and how it all is blamed on pilot error. Had issues with censor board and the army/air force. But I am personally glad such a movie was finally allowed to screen.

Coming to kidnapping Paro. Here again, mighty wrong in showing an army officer do that. But it was on his personal accord. Had he set her up in a cantonment with a RP watching over, it would have received serious flak. About not following Paro, the lines are blurred here. Technically, the man was getting married on that day, and not on a mission.. officially. What he did was on his own accord. Had he sought clearance, got a team of armymen together to nab the Thakur. And THEN not followed Paro to save her from the Thakur and nab him... but leaving midway for the hospital. That would have been dereliction of duty.

Originally posted by: .bohemian.

I agree about the lack of research, Priya. I have no idea what the research was for, since we have a totally twisted view of the armed forces. Maybe they concentrated on the behavioural aspect and very little else, if any.

I agree with Sush about shows making a true representation of something. More research would have helped. There is no consultant of board, to help them out with the protocol issues. Plus, they tend of dumb down things. All said, this is a love story with the backdrop of army, and not vice versa. I am not sure if you watched LRL. That was gross misrepresentation... a show which was based on the army... the training.. creating officers/soldiers from young men and women. It was worse there since they had a consultant on board... the rank of a Colonel. The show did create a lot of brouhaha. The male lead quit for the same reason. The fauji kid in him could not accept the way the army was depicted.

Let alone the army, see the way the police is depicted in movies and tv. They have it far worse than the soldiers. A thankless job. Little or no respect. People jumping down their throat at any chance. In fact, barely any research goes into the technical details, irrespective of the field. Just check out other shows GH worked on. The one based on doctors was a complete disaster... bordering on a spoof. Another had a court scene where a college kid putting forward the case... the defense lawyer just nodding her head in agreement. And how can I miss the 'ping pong' bullet. Shot in the shoulder, and paralysed waist down.

I too am against censorship. Army has its own set of black sheep. And corruption. Makes it worse since these people have the responsibility of national security on their shoulders. In fact, I was glad they brought in the court martial track. If it was something brushed under the carpet... it would have been a worse misrepresentation. Rang de Basanti brought forward the corruption in the defence forces and ministry, and how it all is blamed on pilot error. Had issues with censor board and the army/air force. But I am personally glad such a movie was finally allowed to screen.

Coming to kidnapping Paro. Here again, mighty wrong in showing an army officer do that. But it was on his personal accord. Had he set her up in a cantonment with a RP watching over, it would have received serious flak. About not following Paro, the lines are blurred here. Technically, the man was getting married on that day, and not on a mission.. officially. What he did was on his own accord. Had he sought clearance, got a team of armymen together to nab the Thakur. And THEN not followed Paro to save her from the Thakur and nab him... but leaving midway for the hospital. That would have been dereliction of duty.

like the police or doctor example you sighted there are all kinds of doctors

Originally posted by: habs

Ah thanks Sush for the positivity. 😊

Yes, I too prefer the Major in his own clothes. He looks hot! Next week should be interesting given the recent spoilers.

[QUOTE=-Sush-]
[/QUOTE]exactly the frequency takes away the intensity...gosh someone can tweet ashish to take care of such emotional scenes., as he follows and looks little mature., before his tweet being hijacked by fandoms...😛😉

Originally posted by: ttt1

hey

the premise of the story is an army officer , who is posted to take care of takur issue and win the trust of villagers
my issue itself is the huge osculation between whether his actions were in accordance to BSD or on personal grounds

if on personal ground then we cant use the argument he was interrogating her , that it is human rights violation then and he is wrong in endangering paro's life that goes against what he was posted for

and he is not marrying some one , he is marrying some one his boss gave him the responsibility of

like what rudra does right or wrong is questioning a individual , but they show no action was taken against him inspite of all this or he was bound by his duty is questioning an organisation that they should be avoided without research

like the police or doctor example you sighted there are all kinds of doctors

RDB was based on a few true incidents , like i said i dont want the makers to praise army , but they cannot misrepresent

the simple thing is they can reach the same story , by just giving a little more of attention to these basic things

cos army is not a major part of the show the love story is

makes their task easier , i am annoyed that even that is not seen

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i think now the premise is set , they should cut the job out of this plot and keep it personal , that is my argument

till now every action that was not the case

save the honor and all that

about censor board what i meant is, the makers will never dare make this kind of stuff for big scene cos it is misrepresentation (not because it is against army we have a few movies like that ) because it will not get clearance

I don't agree there. Going by the early interviews of ST, they had a story idea about a dark, damaged misogynist and a stark opposite woman who believes in love and life. Rudra's character as an army officer was just a way to establish the dark, animal-like character. Apparently, armymen have very low EQ (his words, not mine) 😡. And that fit the bill perfectly. They might as well have cast him as a don, but Ashish has already played a somewhat similar character in another show.

In real life, Rudra would have faced a court martial long back and booted out of the army. Insubordination, wilful defiance of authority, coercion of a witness, the list is long enough. I frankly don't expect them to give attention to details. The uniform has been discussed way too much. It is the most basic thing, and they failed to get it right. Rest of the technical stuff... no chance.

Initially, Rudra did get away with a couple of raps on the knuckles. The fact that they brought the court martial track in brought in some sense. But I guess that's about it. Once it moves to a love story, the coersion would be just brushed under the carpet. I agree about the oscillation between the personal and professional. The lines have been blurred.

I am not defending the creatives here. There is a gross misrepresentation. One of the reason I switched to reading the WUs early on. People with an defense background are more than just annoyed with the misrepresentation. We may rant. Nothing is going to come of it. I recall a law student on IF rant at the way the lawyers were depicted. There were tons of medical students on the DMG forum who hated the way doctors were depicted. I cited the other examples for this exact reason. Sorry to say this, but most soap writers rarely do an in-depth research. Whatever looks good... sounds good... brings in the TRPs... chalta hai.