Suryadeva, Rishi Durvasa and abandonment - what should they have done? - Page 17

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Before starting a discussion i want to know where are you getting this from

Who in this thread has posted this that becuase karna was abandoned or discriminated it absolves him of all his wrong doings.Who has said this in this thread?Please post that post here then i will discuss with you.

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

Illegitimate children were not accepted in those days, and no man married a woman who already had a child, even if the God had made Kunti a virgin again as he promised. No matter how noble Pandu may have been, he would never have accepted Kunti had she had Karna with her. Illegitimacy was a worse reputation than being of lower caste. At least lower caste people were respected and treated like humans if they were legitimate children. Illegitimate children were not accepted in any way shape or form by society.

I will try to find that citation for you. Give me a minute.

Why would Pandu have been against an illegitimate child? Rishi Vyasa himself was born to Satyawati before she was married to Shantanu. Moreover, Rishi Vyasa was the biological father of Pandu. In view of these I don't see why Pandu would have or should have been opposed to accepting Karna as his son.

Originally posted by: smrth

Before I would be made to defend every single coma 'uttered' against this most tragic 'glory', may I request sole reference to source Vyas and only Vyas. And none of POI kind of gibberish fictions that is abounding in hundreds.

And before I even start pulling facts as given in the Vyas MB- and not according to heavily distorted, clinical sanctification that is going on in this charade version- may we expect a level field conducive to objective debates here? That does not wreck into mandatory swamping, stifling and inevitable mod actions? I doubt it. And hence I reserve any inclination 'to discuss with you'. On this particular topic at least.

And before I exert to your request in bold, may I request a reread of many posts explicitly grounding these same points? And no! I cannot help. No wish to appear a quoting 'cherry picker' here- let alone a charge of diversion from the the main post topic. Please exert your own judgement and time. Thanks.

Whic post since you who has made this comment cant even cite a single one? there is no post that says this.Thank you for clarifying my point that you have come up with this POV all on your own without even reading what the exact discussion is about.

Respecting everyone's POV I feel whatever Kunti did as a young girl is justified BUT she could have revealed the truth after the rangbhoomi incident. Even sooryadev could have revealed Karn to be his son right after Karn's birth not letting anyone know who his mother was...this would have actually helped Karn jump out of all the insult that he faced being a sootputra.
He could have given Karn the title of Suryaputra.

Well whatever happened was their fate. But Kunti should have not feared the whole life. When Satyavati could openly accept that Ved Vyas was her son before marriage then why not Kunti.

Kunti could have been given the title of a 'Great Mother' in Indian mythology but her injustice to Karn brought her into bad light.

Correct me wherever i am wrong.


The way starbharat has shown Kunti-Karn relationship it looks like its one of the purest. The gestures they share are wow.
The episode when Karn leaves Hastinapur for his further education & being blessed by Kunti although accidently was one of the best scenes. The way star's mahabharat is showing their emotional connection is wonderfull...although its distorted yet a treat to watch.

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Whic post since you who has made this comment cant even cite a single one? there is no post that says this.Thank you for clarifying my point that you have come up with this POV all on your own without even reading what the exact discussion is about.

Firstly discussion is not even about karna and his mistakes its about kunti and her mistakes and that is what posts are talking about.So you have clarified my point that you have come up with this POV compeltley on your own not a single post in this thread supports this POV which you have come up with since you cant even cite a single post.

So no, no one thinks like that and besides this thread is not even about karan and his mistakes its about kunti and her mistakes and all of us have stuck to that topic only so request you to do the same.If you want to discuss karna and his mistakes you need to open another thread this isnt the thread for that.Lets stick to the topic in this thread

Originally posted by: smrth

Had thought I would request a sensible discretion and some self help judgement. But apparently you are entirely innocent of both. No other explanation for such incoherent, repetitive and impertinent post which does not catch even a simple fact that the single point charged in its three disjointed paras has already been recognised. Though you also live up to the other apprehensions mentioned.

In view of your inability to comprehend and my lethargic disinterest in contributing any remedy, only one possible suggestion stays open; 'Ignore me.'

Why?You had made a comment that is completly unrelated to this topic so just asked where did you get this idea to post something completley unrelated in this thread which no one is even discussing.But since you yourself dont know about it you are right no point discussing

Originally posted by: smrth

The way, this single ill fortunate tragedy is generating 'exculpating' condonation, for all his misdeeds and wilful adherence to evils as adult, is amazing. All his misdeeds- understood or explained, ' but he was so 'cruelly' abandoned.' So badly 'discriminated'. So full of 'denials'. And so, he is excused; his conscious plunge in sinister acts. His total disregard of a woman's dignity- rather a lowdown exhortation to avenge a past insult. An active contribution in harassing the unjustly disrobed inheritors. Or a tacit support to block inheritance to the rightful which leads to the destruction of millions. And perhaps many despots could be explained or understood. At some points earlier in their lives, they too might have been 'dejected' or went through some tragic injustice.