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Posted: 7 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: ..Khushi..

"Proper" is such a subjective word. What's proper for me might not be proper for someone else and vice verse.

The sense of right and wrong comes from within. Ask girls to "dress" responsibly otherwise. No?

If kids are learning from online media than people who are voicing out here also need to voice out against shows like GOT. No one knows who will get inspired in what way from such shows.


Why should people voice against GOT? How many times do people need to say that GOT is a fantasy set in medieval times, a time when the most grim of things happened, including child marriage and inbreeding too. The most taboo things were normal then, and even then it isn't something that is justified. Why should anybody speak out against GOT when they know that the things it is showing are not set in present times, and neither propagating any of the taboo issues they portray in the show. Only an idiot would think that a show based in a completely different era from present day that is presenting taboo issues has a negative impact on viewers. If the things that GOT showed were set in the present times, people would for sure think W*F, but nobody is, because a smart viewer would keep the time periods in mind before even complaining.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: sammy17


Why should people voice against GOT? How many times do people need to say that GOT is a fantasy set in medieval times, a time when the most grim of things happened, including child marriage and inbreeding too. The most taboo things were normal then, and even then it isn't something that is justified. Why should anybody speak out against GOT when they know that the things it is showing are not set in present times, and neither propagating any of the taboo issues they portray in the show. Only an idiot would think that a show based in a completely different era from present day that is presenting taboo issues has a negative impact on viewers. If the things that GOT showed were set in the present times, people would for sure think W*F, but nobody is, because a smart viewer would keep the time periods in mind before even complaining.


@sammy17 - Many people have answered Khushi's each and every point in details and with facts. What you said about GOT has more or less been covered in various previous post. This user is just twisting words (to which she agreed in one of her previous replies) just so she can post the last words.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: ..Khushi..


It's useless to tell you about what. I didn't call just anyone who I don't know, an airhead. I used the word airhead for the ones who came across as airheads to me. Television, influence, creative restrictions these are the kind of lame jokes I do not wish to reason with.

Progressive lmfaooo... has become another lame word. Suddenly everyone wants to be 'progressive' just cuz it's progressive to be 'progressive'. But duh! Not everything will be as one wants them to be. One can be progressive only once they accept the fact that there will be progressive things in the world and regressive things in the world and that what's progressive and what's not will be a subjective matter. The definition of 'progressive' will not be the same for everyone. Some people would want to work and some would prefer to marry and settle down. Some would choose to protest every belief and some would prefer following every belief even if they are termed as orthodox. Progressive is when one accepts the fact that there will be all kinds of things and people. Same goes for stalking.. your definition of stalking is different than mine. It's a matter of perception which will differ from person to person, accept it or not. Do not dictate your perception about things as the the ultimate truth.


LOL W*F was that all even? Now you are trying to redefine progressiveness to fit your argument. None of that made sense, and maybe you should read into what that word really means before you try to make up things abut what YOU think being progressive really means. At least then you wouldn't have wasted all that time in typing a failed argument and end up making a fool of yourself. @Bold- This is when you really screwed up with your argument. So being progressive is recognising and accepting that both progressive and regressive things exist? So we shouldn't complain then should we or voice disgust when we come across something regressive?Again...W*F 🤣


Mind you, regressiveness stems from the norms that have been created by the patriarchal system. Patriarchy is a set of beliefs and values that outline the way society should run, which were implemented by men, and are, unfortunately, followed by both men and women alike in society. Being progressive is setting out for social reform by rubbishing these very norms set out by patriarchy that have bounded people's free-will for so long, so that in the long run any regressive practices and beliefs that were made a norm by the patriarchy system can no longer act as an obstacle to the progress of society, people's goodwill and human rights. A person should be able to make their own decisions without societal pressure that is influenced by patriarchal beliefs.


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Posted: 7 years ago
#84
I agree that sometimes, progressive and regressive can be subjective.
If a women stays at home to take care of her kids and the household, that is considered regressive. However according to me, it is only regressive if she is forced to stay back. if the woman chooses to stay at home on her own volition, then it is fine because I think women making their own decisions is the most progressive thing of all. so yes, in some cases progressive vs. regressive can be subjective. but it is not an one size fits all concept. I don't understand how the concept of child marriage is considered "progressive" to some, I didn't even realize it was subjective.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: pomegranate

I agree that sometimes, progressive and regressive can be subjective.

If a women stays at home to take care of her kids and the household, that is considered regressive. However according to me, it is only regressive if she is forced to stay back. if the woman chooses to stay at home on her own volition, then it is fine because I think women making their own decisions is the most progressive thing of all. so yes, in some cases progressive vs. regressive can be subjective. but it is not an one size fits all concept. I don't understand how the concept of child marriage is considered "progressive" to some, I didn't even realize it was subjective.


I agree 100% with this. True progression is giving men and women the freedom to live their life the way they want to, to give them equality in society.

It's not regressive to show a woman as a stay at home mom, if she's happy doing it and she's doing it of her own free will. I know many intelligent, strong women who rule their homes with an iron fist and do it very well, and they're at their element and totally happy. My mother is one of them. 😉 There are also women miserable being at home, because they're not given a choice to go out and work, and that's definitely regressive.

Progressive doesn't necessarily mean changing one's culture and identity to become more 'modern'. True progressiveness is learning to value and respect people despite their race, gender, social class, etc, and learning to value them as a human being. People can be both modern and traditional, and still be progressive if they value what is truly important, and that is human life.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#86
In regards to child marriage being legal in US. I think it is mostly referring to 16 year olds getting married because you are not considered an adult until 18. No state that allows an 18 year old to marry a 9 year old, because then it is pedophilia even if there is no sex involved. If it happens, then the authorities will intervene and the adult will have to register as a sex offender depending on the state.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#87
Found this website,
this is not to back up my argument, but just something interesting to read and to inform ourselves.

http://www.girlsnotbrides.org/
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Posted: 7 years ago
#88

Originally posted by: sammy17


LOL W*F was that all even? Now you are trying to redefine progressiveness to fit your argument. None of that made sense, and maybe you should read into what that word really means before you try to make up things abut what YOU think being progressive really means. At least then you wouldn't have wasted all that time in typing a failed argument and end up making a fool of yourself. @Bold- This is when you really screwed up with your argument. So being progressive is recognising and accepting that both progressive and regressive things exist? So we shouldn't complain then should we or voice disgust when we come across something regressive?Again...W*F 🤣


Mind you, regressiveness stems from the norms that have been created by the patriarchal system. Patriarchy is a set of beliefs and values that outline the way society should run, which were implemented by men, and are, unfortunately, followed by both men and women alike in society. Being progressive is setting out for social reform by rubbishing these very norms set out by patriarchy that have bounded people's free-will for so long, so that in the long run any regressive practices and beliefs that were made a norm by the patriarchy system can no longer act as an obstacle to the progress of society, people's goodwill and human rights. A person should be able to make their own decisions without societal pressure that is influenced by patriarchal beliefs.



Not I, but you are screwed with your thought process. One track mindset that wants to fit everything in its frame of ideas. Whatever gave you the idea that every person with a free will would want to go against the "patriarchal" system? There are millions and millions who would stick tight and follow the beliefs and norms set by orthodox society. There are millions who would want to ardently follow what's your definition of "regressive", out of their own free will. And those people aren't bound to oblige to your protests or voicing out. If you refuse to acknowledge the fact that there are several billions in this world who would happily follow what's your definition of "regressive" than it's your narrow mindedness. You simply can't force anyone to act as per your ideas.

Unless something is being done to someone by force or deception and with intention of inflicting immediate harm to them, you have no right meddling in. Makes little sense if it's done for something fictional. Precise reason why I find this hoopla over a poorly performing channel's fictional show, very funny. Lack of ability to differentiate real from fiction, need not be blamed on others. People "see" a lot of things and how they act or don't act on basis of what they "see", is solely their sense and responsibility or lack of it. Learn to give space to thoughts and practices that doesn't fit in your bracket. Even if you don't, in reality people who want to, will still follow them aggressively.
Edited by ..Khushi.. - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#89
first of all if v find relation ship cute between diya and ratan that it does not mean v r find
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I have a question Khushi, do you live in India?
Because if you think that there are people in India who are happy with patriarchy and it's practices, you were probably last in India about 50 years ago.


Talking solely about the youth above and not those who have been practising it blindly for years.
Edited by aish. - 7 years ago

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