Originally posted by: pallavi25
Ovi gave him chance to talk but didnt forgive him, didnt return to him. So why blame Purvi for doing the same? A wife cannot forgive her husband for having a kid with another woman, can she?
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Originally posted by: pallavi25
Ovi gave him chance to talk but didnt forgive him, didnt return to him. So why blame Purvi for doing the same? A wife cannot forgive her husband for having a kid with another woman, can she?
Originally posted by: samarth300
Thats the difference between Ovi and Purvi u see. Ovi aways gave time for an explanation but Purvi acted impulsively. If Purvi just gave Arjun to tell the truth and explain, they probably would have never seperated. And even if they did, it would have made much more sense and we wouldnt have blamed Purvi that much either..And Im also assuming since u said that a wife cannot forgive her husband for having a kid with another woman that u think tht Ovi's decision of leaving is right,right? Pls correct me if Im wrong.
Hi Pallavi:
Thank you for responding promptly.
Here are my responses in blue.
Many of us have appreciated several of Purvi's actions and choices. I have never seen her as the only or totally flawed character. As I have said repeatedly in my posts, in my view all the three in the love triangle are flawed characters and have made repeated mistakes that end up hurting many. But if our basic presumption is that Ovi's character is that of a heartless villain, then I am perhaps in a wrong debate. My mistake. I will still try to explain my position one more time with regard to this thread.
It would also be nice to hear your response about my question about Onir's bashing on the forum for following the same logic of bhalaai as Purvi in the baby swap incident.
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Hi Muse, youre welcome and thank you for your replies.
I never said Ovi is a heartless villain NOW...she definitely was at one time but not now! Thats why I want to know why she did what she did NOW!
I didnt bash Onir really but I said he shd have known better as a doctor. A doctor has a duty towards his patient first, not to his postpartum hysterical wife who is asking him to swap babies. He shd not have listened to Purvi and changed the babies! They shd have let Ovi deal with the loss and lose her sanity or whatever! Just like Arjun shd not have listened to Purvi and married Ovi...Onir shd not have changed the babies...his duty was towards his patient, to tell her the truth however harsh it was!
TRUTH MATTERS! Especially in doctor patient relationship!
Speaking of bashing, have you ever questioned those members who bash Purvi everyday in multiple posts? Who lie abt things she has not even done?
Like they were saying Purvi deliberately returned to Mumbai so she could "eyelock" with Arjun and rain dance with him! 😕 What weird terms, eyelock and rainy dance! 😆
THAT IS A COMPLETE LIE! If you read PR updates from 14th to 18th December 2012, u will see that Ovi refused to stay in Kolkata to get treated by Onir. She hated his medical center as it was supposedly dirty and had poor patients (according to her it was beneath her) Then when she found out Purvi was Onir's wife, she wanted to leave right away although her pregnancy was at grave risk right then! She left Kolkata for Mumbai from her own horrible Zidd...then Archu and Manav begged Purvi to somehow bring Onir to Kolkata for crazy Ovi's treatment otherwise her baby would die! So Purvi tried to convince Onir, when he didnt agree because he also hated Ovi's behavior, she then left for Mumbai alone, forcing him to follow her.
She did all this for that selfish, obnoxious Ovi and she was and is still bashed for coming to Mumbai it seems to flirt with Arjun! 😆 At least I stick to facts when I present my case against Ovi...not made up scenarios. And No, I dont like Ovi very much, I dont think shes very realistic and if she is, then no wonder the world is in such a pitiful condition with people like her everywhere!
Sorry, will reply to the rest of ur post later, have to go finish some housework now![/B]😊
Originally posted by: Luv4games
seriously? u have got to be joking with this post. If purvi didn't believe arjun then do you really think she would believe ovi. As for the rest of the family, they always picked purvi's side over ovi so even if ovi killed herself trying to prove that pia was conceived while she was married, no one will listen to her. Also, just because they didnt show us doesn't mean that ovi didnt try to talk to her parents. Archana worships purvi so anything purvi says that is the truth. Manav worships archana so he will always follow her. as if ovi's opinion or side of the story ever mattered.
Why is it so hard for people to understand that purvi and arjun's love just isnt that strong. Purvi never loved arjun to begin with. she just used and manipulated him.There is only one person to blame for ARVI separation and that is Purvi. Purvi didnt trust her husband and she poisoned everyone else mind against arjun and ovi too.As for ovi loving arjun there is no doubt over that. Ovi has proved time and time again that she truly loves arjun and doesn't want anything in return from him. Arjun is an idiot for falling for a manipulative and selfish person like purvi. If he had just stayed in Canada, he would have a much happier life with ovi.
Originally posted by: -Inferno-
I'd say: wait it out.
We never knew what happened between ArVi and why they never contacted each other until just a few days ago. The same, we don't know what happened with Ovi. Who knows how she was thrown out of the family by ArMaan.One point which I disagree with though, ArMaan do not deserve to know about Pia.
Originally posted by: pallavi25
Ok we will wait and watch! But many times before, Purvi has been blamed for things that havent been showed yet. And I clearly heard Manav Archana say they didnt know where Ovi was.ArMaan dont deserve to know abt Pia? Why? Arent they the grandparents? Why did Ovi hide Pia's birth from her own parents? If she had told them right then (when she went to Canada to get Pia from the ICU) none of these misunderstandings would have happened!
Please note that I have used the word "if" here and later in the post I have pointed out that Ovi's feelings for Arjun have changed with time - in the early phase also she loved Arjun intensely but possessively - for the sake of what she wanted. Plus, Arjun had promised to marry her before leaving Canada. If Arjun is in the habit of lying, how is anybody to know when he is telling the truth? She was a bad wife? To a degree yes, she was. She did not try to win Arjun over and kept drinking hurting her baby. But not to allow her a feeling of being humiliated would be going too far. Granted that she was totally unreasonable and unethical, why did Arjun agree to marry her?
@ red: "If Arjun is in the habit of lying, how is anybody to know when he is telling the truth?" THERE, YOU SAID IT YOURSELF! This applies in purvi's case too! He has lied/hidden things from her before, so why would she believe him when hes telling the truth after his big lie at the hospital?
Ovi was a horrible wife! She made Arjun's life Hell. You can read updates for December 2012 to see how she was behaving at that time when she was married to arjun and expecting his child. She abused, accused him all the time!What feeling of humiliation? She wanted to control Arjun's thoughts! Wasnt that an abnormal expectation given that she knew he loved Purvi?Why did she think she could throw Purvi out of his heart as she threw her out of his life?
First, after the incident of hiding engagement with Ovi, Purvi and Arjun had been through a lot during which Purvi too had hidden important things like pregnancy from him. But it all got sorted out through conversations. So, why is this lie so big that it could not be sorted out through talking? Also, why is Purvi's feeling insecure right and Ovi's was wrong? Both were in similar situations.
Its not just a feeling of being insecure that made Purvi leave Arjun...its the worst feeling of hurt and betrayal, because he lied and hid the secret abt Pia. Ovi left Arjun after finding out Pari's truth! Purvi left Arjun after finding out he hid abt Pia and lied abt where he was. So why is Purvi wrong and Ovi is right? Only Ovi has a right to her woman's dignity and Purvi does not?
As we all know, the "secret child" happens to be a child conceived during marriage. If Purvi hid the truth of her pregnancy for Ovi's bhalaai, why can't we give the same credit to Ovi when she had realized about Arjun and Purvi's love? Why should we not note any positive change in that character?
Its not abt when Pia was conceived, it was abt Arjun knowing abt Pia and hiding from Purvi, lying to her...its abt Arjun living with Ovi in Canada after fighting with Purvi in India...what would a wife think when this happens?
Yes, you are right, we cannot make any conjectures about what is not shown. But there is a difference between a reasonable inference and a fantasy. Have you ever seen Purvi listening to anyone? As I have expressed repeatedly in my posts, in my POV her heart is in the right place. But she thinks she is always right and does not listen to anyone (except perhaps Archana). That is the biggest flaw of this character, though she has other good qualities. This flaw is bigger than just being impulsive because every single character in this show is impulsive. But many others listen to other characters - Purvi does not, until it is too late.
Nobody in this show listens to anybody else! Ovi did pretty much everything she wanted whether anyone liked it or not! She drank during her pregnancy, threw a pregnant Purvi out of Deshmukh house, she screamed, yelled, threw tantrums, demanded to have Arjun to herself during ArVi days! Did she listen to anyone else? NO she didnt! But still shes supposed to be a wonderful character! Shes supposed to be so normal and realistic! 😕
This is again in the area of conjecture, even though I would accept it as reasonable inference. True. Manav had always supported Ovi until she started drinking during her pregnancy. Could she have called him? Perhaps. But she was in a weaker position than him once the reality of her child came out. It would be difficult for her to make the first move. Could Manav as a parent or Teju as a twin sister not have tried to find out what was going on? Not even about a sick child? And which mother would care to get back into the good books a family that did not make even one inquiry about her child? What does it matter what the people who do not even recognize the existence your child think of you? To me, not even making an inquiry about a sick child is truly unimaginable in sensitive people. Whatever the mistakes of the parents, a child just does not deserve apathy. I maintained this regard to Pari earlier, and the same goes for Pia.
Did Armaan know Pia is sick? Did Ovi tell them? Did she tell them anything abt Pia's birth or her premature condition and illness? NO! she kept them completely in the dark since Pia was born! When Archu called her in Canada, Ovi lied! Why did she have to lie to Archu? She could have told her mother abt Pia then and asked her to keep it a secret? Then her parents at least wouldnt have suspected her!Hiding truth and keeping secrets is in Ovi's nature too!
As for any kind of family bonds, if we remember, by the time of the Canada fiasco, Ovi had already moved her own way, alone. She had left India and it was clear that the D clan was not exactly dying to bring her back. They were too busy making wedding plans. Any person with any sense of selfhood would not contact such a family. In the next 20 years, the Ds and Ks presumed that she was alright and happy. But no one cared even to see the grandchild, who, they knew had been terribly sick. Why should she do anything for them or try to re-establish her relations with such an excuse of a family?
Are ArMaan clairvoyant that they would know Pia is sick when Ovi never told them anything abt Pia? When Ovi left for Canada, she had good relations with her parents. Dont forget she was in India for 2 months, attending ArVi wedding, then preparing for Sachin's wedding, going shopping with Teju, she had lots of chances then and later to tell her parents and family abt Pia, but she didnt! So who is at fault here for the lack of trust?
There is such a strong parallel between Purvi's leaving to hide pregnancy to protect Arjun-Ovi relationship and Ovi's leaving to do the same for Arjun-Purvi, it actually proves my point about Ovi's growth from an obstinate and self-centered spoiled brat to a mature character. As for being unwanted by her family, what exactly did the family do to bring her back during the time between her leaving and coming back for Onir's sake? And this is especially true during the 20 years after the fiasco.
Did Ovi's family know she was alone, she wasnt with Arjun? AGAIN, Ovi's fault for not informing them where she was...which would have cleared up the matter. If she has evolved so much, why did she hide the truth from her parents for 20 yrs? Is that what a mature woman does?She shd have realized that her silence on the matter is ruining a lot of lives and keeping her and Pia away from her own family!
As for her leaving her child in the care of a trusted friend, why is it so different from Purvi letting her child be raised by someone who she thought would take good care? It was not as if it was a permanent move. Ovi had returned temporarily to help a person who she realized was being wronged. Many would see this as taking a stand.
Really I didnt think you would draw a parallel between Ovi leaving her premature sick baby in Canada hospital and Purvi giving her baby to Ovi to be raised. Pari was a healthy baby, still Purvi was in Mumbai, she was close by. Ovi's baby was premature, and Ovi was thousands of miles away! Thats the most insane track by CVs! How can you justify that?
You are right. She does not owe anything to Arjun either. But my point is that she is doing it for him because she wants to, because of her feelings for him. If one is in a situation where a close friend is dying and has a wish that one finds unreasonable, one would try to reason with the friend, but would still try to fulfill his/her wish if the friend does not budge. And why should Purvi be the center of Ovi's concerns? Her concern is Arjun. If lying about the past 20 years gives him the satisfaction of protecting Purvi in some way, Ovi would reason with him if she thinks he is wrong, but would ultimately care for his satisfaction. Besides, the track is not over yet. It may end up in the "Kal Ho na Ho" kind of situation where the dying person rises above everyone else with everyone around glorifying him. Ovi may decide to reveal the truth just in time. May be Purvi will then take Arjun to Canada for better treatment as everyone cries buckets and we will only hear about their well-being from others after the actors have left the show. I expect a totally melodramatic end to this track.In short, in my POV, Purvi has a good heart and wishes well for others but she thinks she is always right and imposes her views on others; Arjun does not wish anyone wrong but he is weak and takes Ovi for granted; Ovi began as a self-centered and obstinate character but has grown immensely over time through mistakes. In their respective journeys they all have hurt other people. No one is a saint; and no one is strictly a villain.