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Posted: 11 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: pallavi25


Ovi gave him chance to talk but didnt forgive him, didnt return to him. So why blame Purvi for doing the same? A wife cannot forgive her husband for having a kid with another woman, can she?


Thats the difference between Ovi and Purvi u see. Ovi aways gave time for an explanation but Purvi acted impulsively. If Purvi just gave Arjun to tell the truth and explain, they probably would have never seperated. And even if they did, it would have made much more sense and we wouldnt have blamed Purvi that much either..
And Im also assuming since u said that a wife cannot forgive her husband for having a kid with another woman that u think tht Ovi's decision of leaving is right,right? Pls correct me if Im wrong.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: samarth300


Thats the difference between Ovi and Purvi u see. Ovi aways gave time for an explanation but Purvi acted impulsively. If Purvi just gave Arjun to tell the truth and explain, they probably would have never seperated. And even if they did, it would have made much more sense and we wouldnt have blamed Purvi that much either..
And Im also assuming since u said that a wife cannot forgive her husband for having a kid with another woman that u think tht Ovi's decision of leaving is right,right? Pls correct me if Im wrong.



Maybe Arjun didnt try hard enough? Didnt Purvi say in a recent episode that why did you stop calling me? Why did you give up? I think it was also ego on Arjun's part that he gave up calling her after sometime. If he REALLY wanted her back in his life he would have tried all means, any means to get her to listen. Like Ram Kapoor in recent BALH episodes, he had hidden a BIG TRUTH from his wife Priya, she left him and went to her maayka. he followed her there, waited outside the building all night till she was forced to call him in, she didnt forgive him for weeks, but he persisted, he never gave up!
Arjun didnt try that hard...he gave up calling...like that scene, where 10 yr old Pari tells him not to call Purvi anymore and he complies at once! What a dad! Doesnt visit his daughter for 20 yrs!

Yes, I did mean NO WIFE can forgive a husband for having a kid with another woman AND hide abt it from her!
And No, I never blamed Ovi for leaving Arjun after knowing abt Pari's truth. I have blamed her for other things like mistreating baby Pari after knowing the truth...but not for leaving Arjun.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#73

Originally posted by: muse10

Hi Pallavi:

Thank you for responding promptly.

Here are my responses in blue.

Many of us have appreciated several of Purvi's actions and choices. I have never seen her as the only or totally flawed character. As I have said repeatedly in my posts, in my view all the three in the love triangle are flawed characters and have made repeated mistakes that end up hurting many. But if our basic presumption is that Ovi's character is that of a heartless villain, then I am perhaps in a wrong debate. My mistake. I will still try to explain my position one more time with regard to this thread.

It would also be nice to hear your response about my question about Onir's bashing on the forum for following the same logic of bhalaai as Purvi in the baby swap incident.

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Hi Muse, youre welcome and thank you for your replies.

I never said Ovi is a heartless villain NOW...she definitely was at one time but not now! Thats why I want to know why she did what she did NOW!

I didnt bash Onir really but I said he shd have known better as a doctor. A doctor has a duty towards his patient first, not to his postpartum hysterical wife who is asking him to swap babies. He shd not have listened to Purvi and changed the babies! They shd have let Ovi deal with the loss and lose her sanity or whatever! Just like Arjun shd not have listened to Purvi and married Ovi...Onir shd not have changed the babies...his duty was towards his patient, to tell her the truth however harsh it was!

TRUTH MATTERS! Especially in doctor patient relationship!

Speaking of bashing, have you ever questioned those members who bash Purvi everyday in multiple posts? Who lie abt things she has not even done?

Like they were saying Purvi deliberately returned to Mumbai so she could "eyelock" with Arjun and rain dance with him! 😕 What weird terms, eyelock and rainy dance! 😆

THAT IS A COMPLETE LIE! If you read PR updates from 14th to 18th December 2012, u will see that Ovi refused to stay in Kolkata to get treated by Onir. She hated his medical center as it was supposedly dirty and had poor patients (according to her it was beneath her) Then when she found out Purvi was Onir's wife, she wanted to leave right away although her pregnancy was at grave risk right then! She left Kolkata for Mumbai from her own horrible Zidd...then Archu and Manav begged Purvi to somehow bring Onir to Kolkata for crazy Ovi's treatment otherwise her baby would die! So Purvi tried to convince Onir, when he didnt agree because he also hated Ovi's behavior, she then left for Mumbai alone, forcing him to follow her.

She did all this for that selfish, obnoxious Ovi and she was and is still bashed for coming to Mumbai it seems to flirt with Arjun! 😆 At least I stick to facts when I present my case against Ovi...not made up scenarios. And No, I dont like Ovi very much, I dont think shes very realistic and if she is, then no wonder the world is in such a pitiful condition with people like her everywhere!

Sorry, will reply to the rest of ur post later, have to go finish some housework now![/B]😊

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Posted: 11 years ago
#74

Originally posted by: Luv4games

seriously? u have got to be joking with this post. If purvi didn't believe arjun then do you really think she would believe ovi. As for the rest of the family, they always picked purvi's side over ovi so even if ovi killed herself trying to prove that pia was conceived while she was married, no one will listen to her. Also, just because they didnt show us doesn't mean that ovi didnt try to talk to her parents. Archana worships purvi so anything purvi says that is the truth. Manav worships archana so he will always follow her. as if ovi's opinion or side of the story ever mattered.

Why is it so hard for people to understand that purvi and arjun's love just isnt that strong. Purvi never loved arjun to begin with. she just used and manipulated him.

There is only one person to blame for ARVI separation and that is Purvi. Purvi didnt trust her husband and she poisoned everyone else mind against arjun and ovi too.

As for ovi loving arjun there is no doubt over that. Ovi has proved time and time again that she truly loves arjun and doesn't want anything in return from him. Arjun is an idiot for falling for a manipulative and selfish person like purvi. If he had just stayed in Canada, he would have a much happier life with ovi.


Believe Ovi? Are u confused? We are talking abt Ovi LYING to Purvi that she has been living with Arjun for last 20 yrs!
How do u know Deshmukhs, especially Manav wont listen to Ovi? Didnt they support her blackmail wala deal marriage with Arjun? When did Manav support Purvi over Ovi? Certainly he didnt! Ovi didnt tell the truth to Deshmukhs on purpose!
Purvi didnt poison anyone's mind, Ovi and Arjun are responsible for their OWN lies and deceptions...by hiding abt Pia they made everyone suspect them! Ovi could have cleared her name but she didnt bother!
The question is not abt who is responsible for ArVi separation...obviously both of them are!
But question is why didnt Ovi tell her parents the truth for 20 long years! Why is she LYING to Purvi again NOW?

@ Bold: Yeah Right! Arjun would have been ecstatically happy with Ovi 😆...just like he was the first time he married her and lived in Hell with her for one year! 😆 Ovi didnt even like being his wife, she even told Archu she wanted freedom from that life!
Edited by pallavi25 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#75
I'd say: wait it out.
We never knew what happened between ArVi and why they never contacted each other until just a few days ago. The same, we don't know what happened with Ovi. Who knows how she was thrown out of the family by ArMaan.

One point which I disagree with though, ArMaan do not deserve to know about Pia.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Inferno-

I'd say: wait it out.

We never knew what happened between ArVi and why they never contacted each other until just a few days ago. The same, we don't know what happened with Ovi. Who knows how she was thrown out of the family by ArMaan.

One point which I disagree with though, ArMaan do not deserve to know about Pia.


Ok we will wait and watch! But many times before, Purvi has been blamed for things that havent been showed yet. And I clearly heard Manav Archana say they didnt know where Ovi was.

ArMaan dont deserve to know abt Pia? Why? Arent they the grandparents? Why did Ovi hide Pia's birth from her own parents? If she had told them right then (when she went to Canada to get Pia from the ICU) none of these misunderstandings would have happened!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: pallavi25


Ok we will wait and watch! But many times before, Purvi has been blamed for things that havent been showed yet. And I clearly heard Manav Archana say they didnt know where Ovi was.

ArMaan dont deserve to know abt Pia? Why? Arent they the grandparents? Why did Ovi hide Pia's birth from her own parents? If she had told them right then (when she went to Canada to get Pia from the ICU) none of these misunderstandings would have happened!


Why she hid the birth I don't know...perhaps because she knew how close Archana is with Purvi and thought that Purvi would have found out? 😕 I don't know that. But, as of now, 20 years later I think its Ovi's call who she wants her daughter to be with. It's a long time and at this point everyone would just dislike or neglect Pia in the family because Ovi is supposedly "living" with Arjun now. And honestly, how much have ArMaan really cared about their grand-daughter?

Anyway, like I said...just wait it out. No one knows what has happened in all clearity and no one will know until the character of Pia is introduced properly or until Ovi is found again by D-clan. Hopefully it happens soon and we can finally get some sort of a conclusion...atleast some sort of happy ArVi back again and no rona dhona. Like I thought we were finally over that crap.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: muse10

Please note that I have used the word "if" here and later in the post I have pointed out that Ovi's feelings for Arjun have changed with time - in the early phase also she loved Arjun intensely but possessively - for the sake of what she wanted. Plus, Arjun had promised to marry her before leaving Canada. If Arjun is in the habit of lying, how is anybody to know when he is telling the truth? She was a bad wife? To a degree yes, she was. She did not try to win Arjun over and kept drinking hurting her baby. But not to allow her a feeling of being humiliated would be going too far. Granted that she was totally unreasonable and unethical, why did Arjun agree to marry her?

@ red: "If Arjun is in the habit of lying, how is anybody to know when he is telling the truth?" THERE, YOU SAID IT YOURSELF! This applies in purvi's case too! He has lied/hidden things from her before, so why would she believe him when hes telling the truth after his big lie at the hospital?

Ovi was a horrible wife! She made Arjun's life Hell. You can read updates for December 2012 to see how she was behaving at that time when she was married to arjun and expecting his child. She abused, accused him all the time!What feeling of humiliation? She wanted to control Arjun's thoughts! Wasnt that an abnormal expectation given that she knew he loved Purvi?Why did she think she could throw Purvi out of his heart as she threw her out of his life?


First, after the incident of hiding engagement with Ovi, Purvi and Arjun had been through a lot during which Purvi too had hidden important things like pregnancy from him. But it all got sorted out through conversations. So, why is this lie so big that it could not be sorted out through talking? Also, why is Purvi's feeling insecure right and Ovi's was wrong? Both were in similar situations.

Its not just a feeling of being insecure that made Purvi leave Arjun...its the worst feeling of hurt and betrayal, because he lied and hid the secret abt Pia. Ovi left Arjun after finding out Pari's truth! Purvi left Arjun after finding out he hid abt Pia and lied abt where he was. So why is Purvi wrong and Ovi is right? Only Ovi has a right to her woman's dignity and Purvi does not?


As we all know, the "secret child" happens to be a child conceived during marriage. If Purvi hid the truth of her pregnancy for Ovi's bhalaai, why can't we give the same credit to Ovi when she had realized about Arjun and Purvi's love? Why should we not note any positive change in that character?

Its not abt when Pia was conceived, it was abt Arjun knowing abt Pia and hiding from Purvi, lying to her...its abt Arjun living with Ovi in Canada after fighting with Purvi in India...what would a wife think when this happens?

Yes, you are right, we cannot make any conjectures about what is not shown. But there is a difference between a reasonable inference and a fantasy. Have you ever seen Purvi listening to anyone? As I have expressed repeatedly in my posts, in my POV her heart is in the right place. But she thinks she is always right and does not listen to anyone (except perhaps Archana). That is the biggest flaw of this character, though she has other good qualities. This flaw is bigger than just being impulsive because every single character in this show is impulsive. But many others listen to other characters - Purvi does not, until it is too late.

Nobody in this show listens to anybody else! Ovi did pretty much everything she wanted whether anyone liked it or not! She drank during her pregnancy, threw a pregnant Purvi out of Deshmukh house, she screamed, yelled, threw tantrums, demanded to have Arjun to herself during ArVi days! Did she listen to anyone else? NO she didnt! But still shes supposed to be a wonderful character! Shes supposed to be so normal and realistic! 😕


This is again in the area of conjecture, even though I would accept it as reasonable inference. True. Manav had always supported Ovi until she started drinking during her pregnancy. Could she have called him? Perhaps. But she was in a weaker position than him once the reality of her child came out. It would be difficult for her to make the first move. Could Manav as a parent or Teju as a twin sister not have tried to find out what was going on? Not even about a sick child? And which mother would care to get back into the good books a family that did not make even one inquiry about her child? What does it matter what the people who do not even recognize the existence your child think of you? To me, not even making an inquiry about a sick child is truly unimaginable in sensitive people. Whatever the mistakes of the parents, a child just does not deserve apathy. I maintained this regard to Pari earlier, and the same goes for Pia.

Did Armaan know Pia is sick? Did Ovi tell them? Did she tell them anything abt Pia's birth or her premature condition and illness? NO! she kept them completely in the dark since Pia was born! When Archu called her in Canada, Ovi lied! Why did she have to lie to Archu? She could have told her mother abt Pia then and asked her to keep it a secret? Then her parents at least wouldnt have suspected her!Hiding truth and keeping secrets is in Ovi's nature too!


As for any kind of family bonds, if we remember, by the time of the Canada fiasco, Ovi had already moved her own way, alone. She had left India and it was clear that the D clan was not exactly dying to bring her back. They were too busy making wedding plans. Any person with any sense of selfhood would not contact such a family. In the next 20 years, the Ds and Ks presumed that she was alright and happy. But no one cared even to see the grandchild, who, they knew had been terribly sick. Why should she do anything for them or try to re-establish her relations with such an excuse of a family?

Are ArMaan clairvoyant that they would know Pia is sick when Ovi never told them anything abt Pia? When Ovi left for Canada, she had good relations with her parents. Dont forget she was in India for 2 months, attending ArVi wedding, then preparing for Sachin's wedding, going shopping with Teju, she had lots of chances then and later to tell her parents and family abt Pia, but she didnt! So who is at fault here for the lack of trust?

There is such a strong parallel between Purvi's leaving to hide pregnancy to protect Arjun-Ovi relationship and Ovi's leaving to do the same for Arjun-Purvi, it actually proves my point about Ovi's growth from an obstinate and self-centered spoiled brat to a mature character. As for being unwanted by her family, what exactly did the family do to bring her back during the time between her leaving and coming back for Onir's sake? And this is especially true during the 20 years after the fiasco.

Did Ovi's family know she was alone, she wasnt with Arjun? AGAIN, Ovi's fault for not informing them where she was...which would have cleared up the matter. If she has evolved so much, why did she hide the truth from her parents for 20 yrs? Is that what a mature woman does?She shd have realized that her silence on the matter is ruining a lot of lives and keeping her and Pia away from her own family!

As for her leaving her child in the care of a trusted friend, why is it so different from Purvi letting her child be raised by someone who she thought would take good care? It was not as if it was a permanent move. Ovi had returned temporarily to help a person who she realized was being wronged. Many would see this as taking a stand.

Really I didnt think you would draw a parallel between Ovi leaving her premature sick baby in Canada hospital and Purvi giving her baby to Ovi to be raised. Pari was a healthy baby, still Purvi was in Mumbai, she was close by. Ovi's baby was premature, and Ovi was thousands of miles away! Thats the most insane track by CVs! How can you justify that?


You are right. She does not owe anything to Arjun either. But my point is that she is doing it for him because she wants to, because of her feelings for him. If one is in a situation where a close friend is dying and has a wish that one finds unreasonable, one would try to reason with the friend, but would still try to fulfill his/her wish if the friend does not budge. And why should Purvi be the center of Ovi's concerns? Her concern is Arjun. If lying about the past 20 years gives him the satisfaction of protecting Purvi in some way, Ovi would reason with him if she thinks he is wrong, but would ultimately care for his satisfaction. Besides, the track is not over yet. It may end up in the "Kal Ho na Ho" kind of situation where the dying person rises above everyone else with everyone around glorifying him. Ovi may decide to reveal the truth just in time. May be Purvi will then take Arjun to Canada for better treatment as everyone cries buckets and we will only hear about their well-being from others after the actors have left the show. I expect a totally melodramatic end to this track.

In short, in my POV, Purvi has a good heart and wishes well for others but she thinks she is always right and imposes her views on others; Arjun does not wish anyone wrong but he is weak and takes Ovi for granted; Ovi began as a self-centered and obstinate character but has grown immensely over time through mistakes. In their respective journeys they all have hurt other people. No one is a saint; and no one is strictly a villain.



LOL @ the Melodramatic end! Quite possible but I think Ekta will just let it fizzle out like her other tracks! 😆Yes you're right, No one is a Pure saint, No one is a Pure Villain! They all make mistakes and suffer for it! Just like in real life nobody is perfect! We all make mistakes and suffer the consequences!
But Purvi is painted as the worst character in PR while Ovi's worst actions are justified! That is where the problem is! Anyway, we have to wait and watch to see how the drama unfolds now. Purvi clearly didnt buy Arjun's charade so I hope she finds out for herself abt his illness since he cannot tell her!And Ovi shd tell the truth to ArMaan at least NOW!
Edited by pallavi25 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Pallavi:
Thanks for your response.
I want to respond broadly and briefly since I have to do something for work tonight.

Having read your responses, my overall response is:
First, I never said anything about Purvi's insecurity being out of place. I only said, it was similar to Ovi's and could have been sorted out through conversation.

Secondly, you have a point in that no one listens to others' advice in this serial. But what I meant about Purvi's flaw is that she does not listen to anyone not simply because of stubbornness, but because she thinks she is always morally right. Therefore, others should listen to her and do what she thinks is right.

Thirdly, Ovi not telling about Pia's health to ArMaan- she had not intended to tell about her child to anyone. But when Purvi told the reason why she was breaking up with Arjun, did she not mention where she saw Arjun and Ovi? That would be very strange considering how Purvi tells everything to them. So, it does not seem possible that they would not know.

Fourthly, I also repeatedly mentioned in my post that Ovi began as self-centered and obstinate, but her character grew with time. However, I happen to think that major flaws of other characters should also be taken into consideration.

Finally, regarding Onir, is he also not a human being? Was he also not under tremendous stress dealing with a hysteric wife who had just delivered a child and trying think about a patient who may lose her mind or life on knowing the truth about her baby? Yes, doctors are expected to tell the truth to their patients. But they are also expected to be careful about revealing a shocking truth that would hurt the patient badly. I know this since many in my family are doctors. Under that stress, Onir lost his balance. He did make a mistake. But he also paid for it. Still he was blamed badly for it. Besides, he had done nothing but care for Purvi's well being since he met her. Still he was severely critiqued until Purvi got reunited with Arjun. It was really the critiquing of Onir, who from no angle could be called mean, that turned me off.

You are also right that I have not asked questions on threads critiquing Purvi. I do not critique all aspects of the character Purvi because I actually like many of her qualities. But I feel that as soon as a thread critiquing Purvi is opened, so many of her fans come to defense that what I would have to say would have already been said by the time i saw the thread. Further, I feel that Ovi's growth needs to be acknowledged just as Purvi's good will needs to be acknowledged.

It is just that you feel that Purvi is consistently critiqued for all that goes wrong and I feel that Ovi is consistently critiqued for all that goes wrong. So, we defend who we think deserves our defense. But I do hope that we both acknowledge the good qualities of both the characters who are seen as being antagonists.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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To me the whole thing of lying to Purvi is very wrong and it will not help at all. For sure Ovi was so happy to see Purvi in heartbreaking stage of grieve and disbelieve. The whole story line is ridiculous...we have to watch to see what is going to happend and hopely ⭐️Arjun and Purvi⭐️ will end up each...and Ovi😕 will become a good sister😆

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