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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: muse10

Hi Pallavi:

A good detailed post as usual! Thank you.

I agree with you on many points, but some lingering questions remain. Since I respect your opinion, I am raising the questions.

I agree with you about Punni. Purvi's intervention did help Punni and her parents.

I also agree with you that when Purvi forced Onir to give her baby to Ovi, she was trying to protect her from going crazy. That was an act of bhalaai. Surely that was the case. You support your point further by mentioning that Onir also agreed that if Ovi knew that she had lost her child she would go crazy. Then why was the logic of bhalaai also not applicable to Onir? Why was Onir consistently bashed in post after post for the following the same logic and the same act of bhalaai?

A more relevant point for the current track is your point about Arjun-Ovi relationship and her lying which I quote below in red. My point follows in green.

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she could have refused to help Arjun


again my point is same who is purvi for her that she should refuse to help arjun...or is it ovi's duty to think about arjun's lover????is there any pavitra rishta between ovi and purvi??? according to you ovi is hating purvi than how can u expect that ovi should refuse to arjun???

its gr8 gesture by arjun that he wants to share his pain with ovi...he informed her about it...he begged her to come back...at his weak time...he remembers that person whom he hurts the most...nd at critical time its gr8 gesture by ovi too that she is with her daughter's father,her love nd her childhood buddy by forgetting everything that happens with her from last 20 years due to arvi's misunderstanding ...its gr8 gesture by ovi that for so called deshmukhs nd purvi's sake she has not refused arjun.

Who is Purvi? Purvi is her adoptive sister, Purvi gave up Arjun for her, she gave up her baby for her! There is no pavitra rishta between Ovi and Arjun either...😆 They are merely childhood friends whose marriage was a complete failure due to her mental condition.Ovi never loved Arjun, she just wanted to possess him. If she had loved him, she would have been ecstatic to be his wife, not so frustrated and crazy!
If Ovi was really Arjun's well-wisher and friend, she wouldnt let him suffer alone for 20 years, she would tell the truth to ArMaan and Purvi and she definitely knows how to make her voice heard! So my main point was...since Ovi cannot do anything good by telling truth, then how is she so ready to lie to cause damage again?
Great gesture, really?😆 Yes, right, by her great gesture she has hurt Purvi AGAIN, for the 100th time! She has jeopardized her reunion with her parents! Because shes not interested in her family, only in Arjun!

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"merely childhood friends" is an interesting phrase. Childhood friendships are some of the strongest bonds people develop. If people remain in touch, they remain lifelong. So, if Ovi is doing this as a childhood friend of Arjun, that just shows the strength of their bond.

Further, from what perspective is it Ovi's fault now not to have revealed the truth when the two lovers who were spouses by the time the Canada fiasco happened could not clarify things themselves? And Arjun did not tell Purvi multiple lies, it was in singular (what other lie did he tell? I am not sure). Purvi was admittedly stressed out when the fiasco happened, but in comparison to Ovi, she had always been in a more powerful position with Arjun and she knew that. Plus, how do we know that Arjun had not asked Ovi not to contact Purvi then because Ovi's call could have created further complications?

And does Ovi know how to make herself heard? It is true that she screamed irritably in the early tracks, but it was clear that her screaming was not getting anywhere. As Arjun's wife she was screaming because she was perceptive enough to see that her husband was dreaming about someone else (no fault of Purvi here). It could not have been difficult for Ovi to understand that she would not be heard seriously by the D family.

As for any kind of family bonds, if we remember, by the time of the Canada fiasco, Ovi had already moved her own way, alone. She had left India and it was clear that the D clan was not exactly dying to bring her back. They were too busy making wedding plans. Any person with any sense of selfhood would not contact such a family. In the next 20 years, the Ds and Ks presumed that she was alright and happy. But no one cared even to see the grandchild, who, they knew had been terribly sick. Why should she do anything for them or try to re-establish her relations with such an excuse of a family?

From the current track it appears that it was Arjun who asked Ovi to lie to protect Purvi. She is doing it for him. Ovi's love for Arjun was beyond the limits of reason from the beginning. Earlier it was focused on what she wanted, later it developed into a focus on what he wanted. This lie she is telling Purvi appears a part of the path Ovi's feelings for Arjun have taken. She does not owe anything to anybody else or has the responsibility for clarifying things for people who practically disowned her.


your word is true but here that is already decided in mind that ovi is helping arjun becoz she is hating purvi... so watever you are explaining now is doesn't make any sense for them... so in that scenario we can understand "merely childhood friends" phrase...ovi's main duty is purvi bhalayi so if ovi is choosing purvi over arjun than nd only than we can say ovi is not fake...this is wat conclusion of that post...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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We know she didnt tell the truth to ArMaan because they had no idea of what happened 20 yrs ago until Purvi told them abt it after getting the truth from Arjun.

I don't think that proves that she didn't try to tell them the truth. Arjun did try to tell them the truth but they were still clueless for 20 years. So ovi may have tried to say her piece to them but it was clearly not heard. Just like Arjuns wasn't. I think at this point your giving Armaan too much credit. If the parents who think reuniting their middle aged daughter with her love, despite of them being fully capable adults, who were well on their way to sorting out their issues, took a precedence now over finding their missing daughter and GD, whereas the issue hadn't even crossed their mind for 20 years, then they aren't very good parents to begin with. any parent who agrees to marry their one daughter to the ex-husband of their other daughter within 5 months of the divorce, aren't very good parents. so they probably just ignored her as they did arjun.

Ovi didnt have to go into such details, she just needed to say Pia is her and Arjun's daughter from their marriage, and most importantly, that she and Arjun were not together, she was living in Canada, Arjun was in India. Thats it! That would have solved all the problems and cleared away all the misconceptions! Just a simple phone call stating she wasnt involved with Arjun anymore.

See but thats exactly my point- given the time frame, we know Ovi found out late that she was preggers- at around 3rd month. She and arjun were still not divorced. She had Pia around the 7th month. She and Arjun were already divorced and Arjun was well on his way to marrying Purvi. So they had literally divorced around 4-5 months tops before arvi marriage. why would anyone presume that a couple who had divorced so recently would be together again cheating on the girl who was, if we're being honest, the primary reason behind the divorce?!? if she gave her parents the undue credit of a logical brain then thats not really a fault. when they yelled at her about- what have you done Ovi. Sharam nahi ayi aisi gandi harkat karte huye. tune purvi ki zindagi barbad kar di and all that- she presumed that her parents weren't brain dead idiots and were probably talking about Pia's existence and her hiding it from them. not that she was doing the dirty with arjun whilst she was pregnant in canada and he was doing jasoosi of onir in india (again even if they were, whats wrong with that? arvi weren't married yet. purvi was with onir). So why would she say oh btw the baby was conceived in marriage? Arovi had been divorced for less than 7 months. even if they presumed pia was full term, its easily calculable that the baby was born in wedlock, and even if they know she was premature, the baby was still born in wedlock. by no calculation is it possible to have been otherwise. so why would she think to clarify the MOST obvious fact in the situation?

and the only way for her to have known that her parents were disowning her, was if she had talked to them to some extent. i don't think she could've just guessed that her parents would disown her for having a baby in wedlock just because it was Arjun's, her ex-husband. So she must've talked to someone in the family. be it her parents or her siblings who had informed her of the status of disownment in the family. no? I'm just saying, just because archu purvi manav and their family of baby geniuses are unable to count on their fingers, doesn't mean everyone else is just as irrational in their thinking as them.

whilst I'm saying all this, one thing to clarify is that I don't think Ovi owes d-clan any explanation at all. i don't think what she is doing now, is because of arjun's khushi or anything. she's doing it because its the dying wish of the father of her child. thats it. she tells him what she thinks but is doing what she promised him she would do, even if its not what she agrees with. i think your going a little too deep with the conspiracy theory. ovi once upon a time only wanted to separate arvi to get arjun. arjun is dying and ovi has nothing to gain from this situation. even if as they had presumed, that ovi was living with arjun, they should have at least tried to reach out to pia. they just never approached the topic at all! whereas they all went to ankitas wedding in the hopes that she was the murderer son, soham's daughter?!? if soham of all their insipid children was redeemable to them then why wasn't ovi? living with arjun is by no means a bigger crime than murdering your sibling's to be wife. if her parents and indeed her siblings literally think so incredibly little of her, why should she make the effort? i wouldn't. if you would, then kudos i guess your definitely a better daughter than I am. but i firmly would refuse to give them 2 seconds of my time let alone an explanation.

How would she know what her parents were thinking? Yes, because she never reached out to them, because she didnt care what they thought, she didnt bother to get in touch with them and just let them think what they were thinking.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: muse10

Hi Pallavi:

A good detailed post as usual! Thank you.

I agree with you on many points, but some lingering questions remain. Since I respect your opinion, I am raising the questions.

I agree with you about Punni. Purvi's intervention did help Punni and her parents.

I also agree with you that when Purvi forced Onir to give her baby to Ovi, she was trying to protect her from going crazy. That was an act of bhalaai. Surely that was the case. You support your point further by mentioning that Onir also agreed that if Ovi knew that she had lost her child she would go crazy. Then why was the logic of bhalaai also not applicable to Onir? Why was Onir consistently bashed in post after post for the following the same logic and the same act of bhalaai?

A more relevant point for the current track is your point about Arjun-Ovi relationship and her lying which I quote below in red. My point follows in green.

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Hi Muse, Thanks for liking my post and agreeing with most points!


she could have refused to help Arjun



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"merely childhood friends" is an interesting phrase. Childhood friendships are some of the strongest bonds people develop. If people remain in touch, they remain lifelong. So, if Ovi is doing this as a childhood friend of Arjun, that just shows the strength of their bond.

Where did that friendship go when Ovi was married to Arjun? How could she expect Arjun to stop loving Purvi? Friends always understand each other's feelings, where was her understanding of Arjun then? She behaved horribly as his wife, even tried to kill his/her child!


Further, from what perspective is it Ovi's fault now not to have revealed the truth when the two lovers who were spouses by the time the Canada fiasco happened could not clarify things themselves? And Arjun did not tell Purvi multiple lies, it was in singular (what other lie did he tell? I am not sure). Purvi was admittedly stressed out when the fiasco happened, but in comparison to Ovi, she had always been in a more powerful position with Arjun and she knew that. Plus, how do we know that Arjun had not asked Ovi not to contact Purvi then because Ovi's call could have created further complications?

Arjun hid truth of his and Ovi's engagement from Purvi, this wasnt the first lie he told her! And this one BIG lie was greater than anything as it broke her trust in him completely! He told that blatant lie that he was at a meeting just after she had seen him with Ovi and their secret child! How would a wife feel? How would she trust Arjun's love for her after that!

We cannot conjecture that Arjun told Ovi not to call Purvi, why would he do that? My main point was why didnt Ovi try to clarify to the Deshmukhs that she wasnt living with Arjun? That would have cleared up all the confusion! Then it follows that she didnt want ArVi to reunite!


And does Ovi know how to make herself heard? It is true that she screamed irritably in the early tracks, but it was clear that her screaming was not getting anywhere. As Arjun's wife she was screaming because she was perceptive enough to see that her husband was dreaming about someone else (no fault of Purvi here). It could not have been difficult for Ovi to understand that she would not be heard seriously by the D family.


I firmly believe if Ovi had called Manav alone, he would have listened! She was his favorite child and he always overlooked her tantrums, her screaming and always supported her in even her wrong actions! Did she even try to contact her father? Or her twin sister to whom she was so close? She just let them believe the worst? WHY?😕

As for any kind of family bonds, if we remember, by the time of the Canada fiasco, Ovi had already moved her own way, alone. She had left India and it was clear that the D clan was not exactly dying to bring her back. They were too busy making wedding plans. Any person with any sense of selfhood would not contact such a family. In the next 20 years, the Ds and Ks presumed that she was alright and happy. But no one cared even to see the grandchild, who, they knew had been terribly sick. Why should she do anything for them or try to re-establish her relations with such an excuse of a family?

Ovi left her family and went to Canada of her own accord. Archu had begged her to stay but she didnt as she was going to have a baby and didnt want her family to know. She divorced Arjun so she had no reason to stay there. Since she had divorced Arjun and moved on, why would she feel unwanted by her family? I remember Archu asking her to stay after the wedding and she did stay. Didnt she return to help Onir, attend ArVi wedding, and stayed back for 2 months while leaving her premature baby in Canada Hospital in the ICU? That was classic of course!

From the current track it appears that it was Arjun who asked Ovi to lie to protect Purvi. She is doing it for him. Ovi's love for Arjun was beyond the limits of reason from the beginning. Earlier it was focused on what she wanted, later it developed into a focus on what he wanted. This lie she is telling Purvi is a part of the path Ovi's feelings for Arjun has taken. She does not owe anything to anybody else.

She owes Arjun nothing either. She shd know best that hiding such life and death truth wreaks havoc in the life of the person lied to! Still shes lying to Purvi and hurting her with this whole charade!She knows its wrong, shes telling Arjun he shd tell Purvi but shes still helping him!That is just plain wrong!Friends dont let friends make such monumental mistakes!

Edited by pallavi25 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: tejaswiniwenham


We know she didnt tell the truth to ArMaan because they had no idea of what happened 20 yrs ago until Purvi told them abt it after getting the truth from Arjun.

I don't think that proves that she didn't try to tell them the truth. Arjun did try to tell them the truth but they were still clueless for 20 years. So ovi may have tried to say her piece to them but it was clearly not heard. Just like Arjuns wasn't. I think at this point your giving Armaan too much credit. If the parents who think reuniting their middle aged daughter with her love, despite of them being fully capable adults, who were well on their way to sorting out their issues, took a precedence now over finding their missing daughter and GD, whereas the issue hadn't even crossed their mind for 20 years, then they aren't very good parents to begin with. any parent who agrees to marry their one daughter to the ex-husband of their other daughter within 5 months of the divorce, aren't very good parents. so they probably just ignored her as they did arjun.

I go by what I see or hear in the show and ArMaan clearly had no idea of what happened that day 20 yrs ago at the hospital. They just know Arjun had a baby with Ovi and hid it from Purvi. It doesnt matter if the baby was conceived before or after their separation but in Purvi's eyes, it was cheating because she thinks Arjun DELIBERATELY hid abt Ovi's baby because he wanted Purvi back in his life! She didnt know that Arjun found out abt Pia just 2 days ago! Same case as in Pari and Ovi's case. Ovi left Arjun and divorced him, Purvi did the same! Arjun could have emailed, messaged, written the truth in a letter than call Purvi everytime and say Meri baat toh suno...

If ArMaan could reunite at 55, why cant ArVi be reunited at 42? Isnt that prejudice against middle aged couples and their happiness?

The daughter they got married to Arjun was his original love, who had sacrificed her love for ArMaan's happiness in their middle age!
So Purvi was always their GOOD daughter, the one who always loved, respected them, ran to them even while disowned and rejected.
Whereas Ovi is the BAD daughter, who bartered her own parent's happiness to possess the man she wanted! Obviously ArMaan would believe what Purvi said as they knew what Ovi was capable of!

But my main point is Ovi could have just called or emailed her sister to clarify everything! But she didnt bother! WHY?
She was still close to her family before she rushed to see Pia in the ICU...what happened to make her so callous abt her family suddenly?
And even here she was in the wrong! Even if she wanted to hide Pia's existence from ArVi, she shd have told ONLY her parents abt Pia, they had a right to know abt Pia's birth!


See but thats exactly my point- given the time frame, we know Ovi found out late that she was preggers- at around 3rd month. She and arjun were still not divorced. She had Pia around the 7th month. She and Arjun were already divorced and Arjun was well on his way to marrying Purvi. So they had literally divorced around 4-5 months tops before arvi marriage. why would anyone presume that a couple who had divorced so recently would be together again cheating on the girl who was, if we're being honest, the primary reason behind the divorce?!? if she gave her parents the undue credit of a logical brain then thats not really a fault. when they yelled at her about- what have you done Ovi. Sharam nahi ayi aisi gandi harkat karte huye. tune purvi ki zindagi barbad kar di and all that- she presumed that her parents weren't brain dead idiots and were probably talking about Pia's existence and her hiding it from them. not that she was doing the dirty with arjun whilst she was pregnant in canada and he was doing jasoosi of onir in india (again even if they were, whats wrong with that? arvi weren't married yet. purvi was with onir). So why would she say oh btw the baby was conceived in marriage? Arovi had been divorced for less than 7 months. even if they presumed pia was full term, its easily calculable that the baby was born in wedlock, and even if they know she was premature, the baby was still born in wedlock. by no calculation is it possible to have been otherwise. so why would she think to clarify the MOST obvious fact in the situation?

and the only way for her to have known that her parents were disowning her, was if she had talked to them to some extent. i don't think she could've just guessed that her parents would disown her for having a baby in wedlock just because it was Arjun's, her ex-husband. So she must've talked to someone in the family. be it her parents or her siblings who had informed her of the status of disownment in the family. no? I'm just saying, just because archu purvi manav and their family of baby geniuses are unable to count on their fingers, doesn't mean everyone else is just as irrational in their thinking as them.

whilst I'm saying all this, one thing to clarify is that I don't think Ovi owes d-clan any explanation at all. i don't think what she is doing now, is because of arjun's khushi or anything. she's doing it because its the dying wish of the father of her child. thats it. she tells him what she thinks but is doing what she promised him she would do, even if its not what she agrees with. i think your going a little too deep with the conspiracy theory. ovi once upon a time only wanted to separate arvi to get arjun. arjun is dying and ovi has nothing to gain from this situation. even if as they had presumed, that ovi was living with arjun, they should have at least tried to reach out to pia. they just never approached the topic at all! whereas they all went to ankitas wedding in the hopes that she was the murderer son, soham's daughter?!? if soham of all their insipid children was redeemable to them then why wasn't ovi? living with arjun is by no means a bigger crime than murdering your sibling's to be wife. if her parents and indeed her siblings literally think so incredibly little of her, why should she make the effort? i wouldn't. if you would, then kudos i guess your definitely a better daughter than I am. but i firmly would refuse to give them 2 seconds of my time let alone an explanation.



Obviously ur idea of filial obligation is very different from mine!
But the main point again is if Ovi cannot tell one truth to her parents to ensure Arjun's happiness (her childhood friend and supposed love) how can she tell such grave lies to separate ArVi again? Just on Arjun's request? Sorry, I dont buy that! If she cared abt Arjun and abt his 20 yrs long loneliness she would have made that call to her parents and explained.

BTW its not just Pia's conception that is the moot point here. Its Arjun's Deception!
ArMaan and Purvi think Arjun knew all along that Ovi was going to have his baby but he hid it from everyone because he wanted Purvi back in his life by hook or crook. Purvi thought he had been hiding and lying to her for last several months since he started courting her again, since they got married! He didnt come clean to her and deceived her!
That is the whole problem...they think Arjun knew abt the baby all along and he hid the truth.
Edited by pallavi25 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: pallavi25


Obviously ur idea of filial obligation is very different from mine!
But the main point again is if Ovi cannot tell one truth to her parents to ensure Arjun's happiness (her childhood friend and supposed love) how can she tell such grave lies to separate ArVi again? Just on Arjun's request? Sorry, I dont buy that! If she cared abt Arjun and abt his 20 yrs long loneliness she would have made that call to her parents and explained.

BTW its not just Pia's conception that is the moot point here. Its Arjun's Deception!
ArMaan and Purvi think Arjun knew all along that Ovi was going to have his baby but he hid it from everyone because he wanted Purvi back in his life by hook or crook. Purvi thought he had been hiding and lying to her for last several months since he started courting her again, since they got married! He didnt come clean to her and deceived her!
That is the whole problem...they think Arjun knew abt the baby all along and he hid the truth.
If thats the case, why would purvi think that someone who wanted her by hook or by crook, would choose Ovi over her? that was the main point of her hate diary about arjun right?

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Don't get me wrong, its fine for them to reunite but for ovi's parents that shouldn't be the priority according to me. But as far as facts go, I haven't watched the episode but heres a quote from the written update of the arvi confrontation episode-'Arjun says yes, she is my daughter. Purvi asks him whether he had relation with Ovi after their marriage. Arjun says I don't believe you. You are asking this after 20 years. He says it had happened before our marriage and I wasn't aware of it. Ovi hided it from me. Arjun asks, where were you, when I was approaching you to listen to my truth.'
it clearly shows that purvi and armaan thought arjun and ovi were cheating purvi and not that purvi felt betrayed by arjun hiding pia's existence.


For Ovi's parents? You mean to say theyre not Purvi's parents?😲 That they shd not care for her happiness? I know the whole problem with Purvi on this forum is that shes the adopted child. Shes not accepted, shes blamed even for what others have done! If Purvi was their bio daughter the scene would be completely different here!
But seriously, Ovi's parents shd not bother abt Purvi's remarriage? Isnt that is a very prejudiced thing to say?
Purvi is an adopted child, but ArMaan love her as their own! The adopted child cares and loves them more than Ovi ever did!
Hiding the baby truth is also cheating. Courting Purvi, while he was secretly meeting Ovi...that is the suspected scenario. If he knew abt Ovi's baby why did he still marry Purvi? That is their main question. And of course Purvi found them in Canada living together with the baby...so what is she supposed to think? If a wife has a serious fight with her husband, he leaves for a supposed conference abroad, she goes after him to patch up wth him and finds him living with his ex wife and secret child. Why wont she think he was still "carrying on" wth Ovi on the side?
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You've said it yourself, her family thinks of her as the bad daughter, untrustworthy and 'capable' of terrible things, when the only thing she was 'capable' of was proposing a deal to purvi and then self harm. NOT conspiring and scheming behind anyones back or cheating anyone. before the hiding Pia incident, when had she lied before? yes, when she was badly trying to pretend her marriage was a bed of roses so that her parents wouldn't worry and people wouldn't think badly of the kirloskar family. any parents who classify their children's worth and the value of their words as good kids and bad kids don't deserve to have children in the first place. whether its Adam and Eve with Cain and Abel or Armaan with Purvi and Ovi.

Ovi PROVED herself a bad daughter by not contacting her parents for 20 yrs! ArMaan deserved that much from her! To know abt Pia when she was born or thereafter when she still had the chance to tell them, she could have made them promise they wouldnt tell ArVi.


If thats the case, why would purvi think that someone who wanted her by hook or by crook, would choose Ovi over her? that was the main point of her hate diary about arjun right?


Arjun has always been vacillating between her and Ovi. Dont forget that in early stage of their relationship Arjun hid abt his upcoming engagement with Ovi from Purvi. Purvi got a huge shock at the sagai and had broken off with him and wouldnt have gone back to him if Archu hadnt intervened!
So why wouldnt Purvi think that day 20 yrs ago, that his lies, his deception meant he had chosen Ovi over her as he was living with Ovi and her baby in Canada?
Purvi's hate diary was more a " I hate you because I dont want to love you" Diary.😆 Purvi never hated him, she didnt want to go on loving him because he had hurt her intolerably.
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Sometimes I really Wish Ovi be This Nasty, This Villainous, This Mean and Selfish as she Made out be. I Wished Ovi as 'Ovi Arjun Kirloskar' fired Purvi of calling and lusting about her husband at the ripe age of 40+. I Wish Ovi have a full fledged PDA in front of Purvi and those useless Deshmukhs. I Wish Ovi give a Absolute ignore to Archana and reprimand her regarding Ways of her Sanskaari daughter. Ovi Must do what she is being Accused of and Don't let Purvi meet Arjun, file a complaint against Purvi for harassing Her by calling Her husband at wee hours and disturbing Her family life. Why Ovi be constantly Bashed for various 'Should have been's' on the Assumptions of Various people? Ovi Must get Close to Arjun and leave Purvi sulking after all that's what She Always wanted! Right? Ovi now have a chance to Get back at Purvi for all those insecurities, hurt, betrayal she was subjected to all those years ago. Its pay back time for Purvi, this Role reversal is hmm Damn Fun😉

One thing More I want Puvri got drunk and do the Tamasha this time with Arjun slapping Her and announcing His love for Ovi. That would be Epic👏



Loved this post...wrote same on other topic...Fab post..

Sherma, Sowmya and Mayur fabulous posts..

Purvi did nasty behind nice face...Ovi told the truth being frank-honest..

If one chooses backstabbers than all power to them...

Purvi and Archana types are the Vamps behind goody goody facad.

While Ovi kinds are what u see what u get..

Take your pick...No prblem

Does not mean the goody goody are really good and honest ones are the vamps..

My POV ofcourse..

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Pallavi:

Thank you for responding promptly.

Here are my responses in blue.

Many of us have appreciated several of Purvi's actions and choices. I have never seen her as the only or totally flawed character. As I have said repeatedly in my posts, in my view all the three in the love triangle are flawed characters and have made repeated mistakes that end up hurting many. But if our basic presumption is that Ovi's character is that of a heartless villain, then I am perhaps in a wrong debate. My mistake. I will still try to explain my position one more time with regard to this thread.

It would also be nice to hear your response about my question about Onir's bashing on the forum for following the same logic of bhalaai as Purvi in the baby swap incident.

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"merely childhood friends" is an interesting phrase. Childhood friendships are some of the strongest bonds people develop. If people remain in touch, they remain lifelong. So, if Ovi is doing this as a childhood friend of Arjun, that just shows the strength of their bond.

Where did that friendship go when Ovi was married to Arjun? How could she expect Arjun to stop loving Purvi? Friends always understand each other's feelings, where was her understanding of Arjun then? She behaved horribly as his wife, even tried to kill his/her child!


Please note that I have used the word "if" here and later in the post I have pointed out that Ovi's feelings for Arjun have changed with time - in the early phase also she loved Arjun intensely but possessively - for the sake of what she wanted. Plus, Arjun had promised to marry her before leaving Canada. If Arjun is in the habit of lying, how is anybody to know when he is telling the truth? She was a bad wife? To a degree yes, she was. She did not try to win Arjun over and kept drinking hurting her baby. But not to allow her a feeling of being humiliated would be going too far. Granted that she was totally unreasonable and unethical, why did Arjun agree to marry her?

Ovi's baseless expectation of love was shattered with time. But the bond of childhood friendship still remained. Their bond can be seen as especially interesting because both grew up without mothers in a foreign country in immigrant families. I am for giving this bond its due.


Further, from what perspective is it Ovi's fault now not to have revealed the truth when the two lovers who were spouses by the time the Canada fiasco happened could not clarify things themselves? And Arjun did not tell Purvi multiple lies, it was in singular (what other lie did he tell? I am not sure). Purvi was admittedly stressed out when the fiasco happened, but in comparison to Ovi, she had always been in a more powerful position with Arjun and she knew that. Plus, how do we know that Arjun had not asked Ovi not to contact Purvi then because Ovi's call could have created further complications?

Arjun hid truth of his and Ovi's engagement from Purvi, this wasnt the first lie he told her! And this one BIG lie was greater than anything as it broke her trust in him completely! He told that blatant lie that he was at a meeting just after she had seen him with Ovi and their secret child! How would a wife feel? How would she trust Arjun's love for her after that!

We cannot conjecture that Arjun told Ovi not to call Purvi, why would he do that? My main point was why didnt Ovi try to clarify to the Deshmukhs that she wasnt living with Arjun? That would have cleared up all the confusion! Then it follows that she didnt want ArVi to reunite!

First, after the incident of hiding engagement with Ovi, Purvi and Arjun had been through a lot during which Purvi too had hidden important things like pregnancy from him. But it all got sorted out through conversations. So, why is this lie so big that it could not be sorted out through talking? Also, why is Purvi's feeling insecure right and Ovi's was wrong? Both were in similar situations.

As we all know, the "secret child" happens to be a child conceived during marriage. If Purvi hid the truth of her pregnancy for Ovi's bhalaai, why can't we give the same credit to Ovi when she had realized about Arjun and Purvi's love? Why should we not note any positive change in that character?

Yes, you are right, we cannot make any conjectures about what is not shown. But there is a difference between a reasonable inference and a fantasy. Have you ever seen Purvi listening to anyone? As I have expressed repeatedly in my posts, in my POV her heart is in the right place. But she thinks she is always right and does not listen to anyone (except perhaps Archana). That is the biggest flaw of this character, though she has other good qualities. This flaw is bigger than just being impulsive because every single character in this show is impulsive. But many others listen to other characters - Purvi does not, until it is too late.


And does Ovi know how to make herself heard? It is true that she screamed irritably in the early tracks, but it was clear that her screaming was not getting anywhere. As Arjun's wife she was screaming because she was perceptive enough to see that her husband was dreaming about someone else (no fault of Purvi here). It could not have been difficult for Ovi to understand that she would not be heard seriously by the D family.

I firmly believe if Ovi had called Manav alone, he would have listened! She was his favorite child and he always overlooked her tantrums, her screaming and always supported her in even her wrong actions! Did she even try to contact her father? Or her twin sister to whom she was so close? She just let them believe the worst? WHY?😕

This is again in the area of conjecture, even though I would accept it as reasonable inference. True. Manav had always supported Ovi until she started drinking during her pregnancy. Could she have called him? Perhaps. But she was in a weaker position than him once the reality of her child came out. It would be difficult for her to make the first move. Could Manav as a parent or Teju as a twin sister not have tried to find out what was going on? Not even about a sick child? And which mother would care to get back into the good books a family that did not make even one inquiry about her child? What does it matter what the people who do not even recognize the existence your child think of you? To me, not even making an inquiry about a sick child is truly unimaginable in sensitive people. Whatever the mistakes of the parents, a child just does not deserve apathy. I maintained this regard to Pari earlier, and the same goes for Pia.


As for any kind of family bonds, if we remember, by the time of the Canada fiasco, Ovi had already moved her own way, alone. She had left India and it was clear that the D clan was not exactly dying to bring her back. They were too busy making wedding plans. Any person with any sense of selfhood would not contact such a family. In the next 20 years, the Ds and Ks presumed that she was alright and happy. But no one cared even to see the grandchild, who, they knew had been terribly sick. Why should she do anything for them or try to re-establish her relations with such an excuse of a family?

Ovi left her family and went to Canada of her own accord. Archu had begged her to stay but she didnt as she was going to have a baby and didnt want her family to know. She divorced Arjun so she had no reason to stay there. Since she had divorced Arjun and moved on, why would she feel unwanted by her family? I remember Archu asking her to stay after the wedding and she did stay. Didnt she return to help Onir, attend ArVi wedding, and stayed back for 2 months while leaving her premature baby in Canada Hospital in the ICU? That was classic of course!

There is such a strong parallel between Purvi's leaving to hide pregnancy to protect Arjun-Ovi relationship and Ovi's leaving to do the same for Arjun-Purvi, it actually proves my point about Ovi's growth from an obstinate and self-centered spoiled brat to a mature character. As for being unwanted by her family, what exactly did the family do to bring her back during the time between her leaving and coming back for Onir's sake? And this is especially true during the 20 years after the fiasco.

As for her leaving her child in the care of a trusted friend, why is it so different from Purvi letting her child be raised by someone who she thought would take good care? It was not as if it was a permanent move. Ovi had returned temporarily to help a person who she realized was being wronged. Many would see this as taking a stand.


From the current track it appears that it was Arjun who asked Ovi to lie to protect Purvi. She is doing it for him. Ovi's love for Arjun was beyond the limits of reason from the beginning. Earlier it was focused on what she wanted, later it developed into a focus on what he wanted. This lie she is telling Purvi is a part of the path Ovi's feelings for Arjun has taken. She does not owe anything to anybody else.

She owes Arjun nothing either. She shd know best that hiding such life and death truth wreaks havoc in the life of the person lied to! Still shes lying to Purvi and hurting her with this whole charade!She knows its wrong, shes telling Arjun he shd tell Purvi but shes still helping him!That is just plain wrong!Friends dont let friends make such monumental mistakes!

You are right. She does not owe anything to Arjun either. But my point is that she is doing it for him because she wants to, because of her feelings for him. If one is in a situation where a close friend is dying and has a wish that one finds unreasonable, one would try to reason with the friend, but would still try to fulfill his/her wish if the friend does not budge. And why should Purvi be the center of Ovi's concerns? Her concern is Arjun. If lying about the past 20 years gives him the satisfaction of protecting Purvi in some way, Ovi would reason with him if she thinks he is wrong, but would ultimately care for his satisfaction. Besides, the track is not over yet. It may end up in the "Kal Ho na Ho" kind of situation where the dying person rises above everyone else with everyone around glorifying him. Ovi may decide to reveal the truth just in time. May be Purvi will then take Arjun to Canada for better treatment as everyone cries buckets and we will only hear about their well-being from others after the actors have left the show. I expect a totally melodramatic end to this track.

In short, in my POV, Purvi has a good heart and wishes well for others but she thinks she is always right and imposes her views on others; Arjun does not wish anyone wrong but he is weak and takes Ovi for granted; Ovi began as a self-centered and obstinate character but has grown immensely over time through mistakes. In their respective journeys they all have hurt other people. No one is a saint; and no one is strictly a villain.


Edited by muse10 - 11 years ago
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seriously? u have got to be joking with this post. If purvi didn't believe arjun then do you really think she would believe ovi. As for the rest of the family, they always picked purvi's side over ovi so even if ovi killed herself trying to prove that pia was conceived while she was married, no one will listen to her. Also, just because they didnt show us doesn't mean that ovi didnt try to talk to her parents. Archana worships purvi so anything purvi says that is the truth. Manav worships archana so he will always follow her. as if ovi's opinion or side of the story ever mattered.
Why is it so hard for people to understand that purvi and arjun's love just isnt that strong. Purvi never loved arjun to begin with. she just used and manipulated him.

There is only one person to blame for ARVI separation and that is Purvi. Purvi didnt trust her husband and she poisoned everyone else mind against arjun and ovi too.

As for ovi loving arjun there is no doubt over that. Ovi has proved time and time again that she truly loves arjun and doesn't want anything in return from him. Arjun is an idiot for falling for a manipulative and selfish person like purvi. If he had just stayed in Canada, he would have a much happier life with ovi.

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