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Posted: 12 years ago
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as varsha says i don;t mind if the religious laws r modified coz rape is not a woman's fault . Besides hinduism cites many vivahs without this ritual if anyone is interested in finding out ways the priests help .

but this nonsense i do have an objection to . This nonsense is atrocious .




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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Punar vivah is not permitted in sanatan hinduism. Nowadays they do it but court marriges and parties hereafter r considered best .


Even rape victims r not allowed in sanatan hinduism to sit for kanyadan ...it isa ritual strictly for virgins .

Just as the white wedding dress in church weddings is actually asymbol for virginity so is this ritual .

Nowadays anything goes .The bride does various hairstyles by beautician doesn't she . Formerly in maharashtrian hindu weddings the young girl was brought after the haldi was applied and the traditional bath was given , in a yellow sari and open wet hair by the maama[ ' uncle]to the wedding fire where the marraige took place with a antarpaat in the middle held by two priests...the boy could not even look at the face of his bride till the marraige took place .The haldi was applied as it is antiseptic . It left a yellowish tinge in the wet youthful complexion ...the open wet hair and the yellow silk sari called the maatav sari , given by the maama [ itis the uncle's honor ] made the young bride look innocent and beautiful .

Nowadays many feel uncomfortable in distorting vedic marraiges so they prefer court marraiges and receptions .

Thanks TM for the topic. I am interested in this topic purely from a academic POV.

Kool, I agree, In Hinduism Punar Vivah was not allowed. It was because of this Pandit Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar had to fight so hard to legalize it, because he saw the extremely inhuman condition the widows lived and the continuous exploitation they faced. Some widows being no more than a child in the past. It just shows how Hinduism adopted with changing times.

But Kool I have a very different question. As far as I know, during the actual marriage ceremony, the bride and the groom actually got married in unstitched cloths in the past – it signified marriage of the soul. Is this universal in Hinduism and done too in Marathi wedding? I know, where I come from, the groom actually does were only a piece of cloth and the bride – the traditional saree, during the actual ceremony. I ask, because, I haven't seen groom changing in some regions – so I have been curious …

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Purvi never begged Manav to do her kanyadan, that was Archana.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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well in that case,ovi's kanyadaan also didn't happen.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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at ektas rule kanyadan not valid . here only ektas marriage rule .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Who is following religion completely?

Coming to virginity I guess this is 21st century and its tough to find virgin people.
And Arjun and purvi accepted each other as husband and wife with phera (if u remember) before their marriage. And I think real marraige is union of 2 souls and not making deals and shouting like psycho just to show u r a wife.
Biggest sin on this earth is seperating two lovers for ur own benefit. But Savita and Ovi r devi but purvi's pre-marital sex is paap and mooh kaala.
Coming to kanyadaan issue there r many youngsters who get married to some1 else after getting physical with ex. I dont think purvi is exceptional.
Edited by ..aastha.. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Its an interesting point u bring up Kalapi and this may have been true of maharashtrian weddings too . I will surely look it up . As far as i know , the bride wore the traditional yellow nauvaari sari ...she was and is married off in yellow . It is called the maatav sari and it is given by the maama . maatav means mandap . It is the mandap sari .

Even today , if there is a vedic marraige , the bride gets married in yellow but changes after the vidhi of marraige in any sari she wishes to . Formerly it was like this

yellow nine yard sari

nose ring... .nath

brought by uncle to the mandap

after the haldi was cleansed off with the traditional bath where the water was poured by a kalshi [ a pot] on the bride's head by 5 married women

the haldi kunku applied in the middle of the eyebrows used to be real , not the plastic bindis we have today

imagine how beautiful the bride must have looked , young , innocent , a virgin with open wet hair and mundavlya .pearl strings tied around her head with a nath

no make up in those days ...vivaah was like upanayan a sanskaar/.

ambolove , kanya literally means a virgin . so ur point is very correct ...this ritual should ideally not be performed if one is not a virgin as one lies before god .


nowadays the original religion is not exactly followed . just as white is worn bcoz white gowns look beautiful in church weddings although brides r often not virgins although that colour symbolized it , each ritual in a hindu wedding is not exactly followed .

Just as the bride is led by the father on the wedding march band and given away in marraige , the hindu father givesaway the daughter in marraige by the kanyadaan ritual .


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Kalapi, by unstitched cloth, do you mean like a dhoti?
Kools, I did get married in a yellow sari and was brought to the mantap by my 5 uncles and yes, hubby was in a dhoti and we had the antarpatta though I had met him briefly once before the wedding. I don't consider our marriage any less Vedic because I had met him before the wedding, of course, with a roomful of relatives present.
I have a family member whose non desi live-in girlfriend wanted a pukka Karnatak wedding and got one, borrowed uncles and all. In this day and age, I don't put much stock in this kanyadhan stuff, olden days, they all (father of the bride included) lived a dharmic life. Keeping that in mind, it would not apply to Manav or Purvi or Ovi for that matter. Kanyadhan in this context becomes moot and is only shown as a ritual not as a dharmic practice.
Edited by soapwatcher1 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I am only telling the TM and kalapi what it actually means ...nowadays its all what one believes in and one's personal beliefs . I was telling what it actually was . For me , nowadays , whether they do a vedic marraige or a court marraige , its the same thing ...formerly marraige was not done according to personal belefs , it was religious protocol .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I was just pointing out as well. These days women go through their third and fourth marriages at church in a white gown. When asked, they say, they have obliterated the past, have wiped the slate clean and are starting afresh.

Each to his own and we will never know what goes on behind closed doors unless we walk in their shoes, I guess.
Edited by soapwatcher1 - 12 years ago

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