Arjun-Purvi, RIP?

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soapwatcher1

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Posted: 13 years ago

#51

Shyamala, if you noticed I didn't call Arjun selfish in my original post, I was responding to Munni when she said she couldn't stand Arjun being called selfish. All of us have a strain of selfishness in us and so does Arjun. The definition you give of selfish, my friend, is the classic dictionary version. We are all selfish to a degree, does the classic mold hold good for all of us then? I tend to take the 'self-concerned' part of the definition and believe it does apply to Arjun. I do not like ripping his character apart as he is already suffering but he was self concerned in his actions. He agreed to marry Ovi not because he was a Good Samaritan but because he knew she loved him and since he didn't have any love interest at that time probably thought it was a good idea. No harm in that. Nothing evil in that he did topple hopelessly in love with that hapless girl who has been shrieking her heart out much to the disgust and dismay of many on this forum. It was definitely self serving that he didn't tell her about Ovi, he didn't want to upset his apple cart, he was self concerned when he took into consideration his dad and his friend over her. People can be selfish when it comes to their friends and family and that is what he was at least in Purvi's eyes, selfish as he was self serving in that he chose his own comfort level, his dad's and Ovi's over hers. At that instant his own emotional well being mattered to him more than his loved one's. How much ever we like him, we have to acknowledge that there was a bit of self interest in his not disclosing to Purvi about Ovi before his procuring her confession of love. None of this is a heinous crime, but to say he is blemish less is kind of laying it on a bit too thick, my friend. Purvi called him selfish in a fit of anger, we cannot hold her to the strict rendering of the term 'selfish' if we are not going to hold Arjun responsible for any of his trespasses. They are both not perfect, they are flawed but so real that we tend to take sides 😉

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Dear aishu,

Thanks a lot for your kind comments. I agree with you completely, and that is what is so sad. As I wrote elsewhere, the problem now is that the character development is getting to be more and more inconsistent for both Arjun and Purvi. I am not talking of the assorted MUs , as the forum folks call them, ending in the mother of all MUs, the engagement. I mean the way in which the two handle the MUs. Arjun is becoming like a marshmallow put out in the sun, and Purvi sounds like a banshee.

Are these the same bright, confident young people we grew to love? No. Then what will be their relevance for us?

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: aishu_25
awesome right up!!!

totally agree with what you mentioned.. Purvi's so called convo was more like screaming at Arjun, which she might as well done it over the phone!!!! There is no room for reconciliation now!!! She said no "Rishta" b/w them and it certainly doesn't mean PR!!!
She could have at least listened to what Arjun had to say!!!

I felt bad for Arjun today !!
basically everyone is sacrificing Arjun for their own reasons.!!! first of all Purvi for the sake of her aai and sis, and next Ovi is not bothered whether Arjun likes her or not. she just wants to get married to him...No one seems to care as to what Arjun had to say or what he likes...

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Munni

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: sashashyam
Dear Munni,

Thanks a million for saying exactly what I would have wanted to say but did not, for I write too much anyway. A beautiful, cogent and lucid post. If I do not add 'convincing' it is only because it is very difficult to convince anyone whose heart is in another place. They are fully entitled to have it there, of course, and in the meantime, your exposition makes a lot of good sense.

Shyamala

My pleasure shyamala...😊

glad you liked it and could see my view point as why I do not consider him being labelled as selfish,,,

P,S: always love to read your posts...but will always refrain from commenting as words always fail me to write something in reply to your fantastic posts👏

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ptamom

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Posted: 13 years ago

#54

Shyamala as always thank you very much for a very provocative post. I have enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts and can definitely see all points of view. However, As I watched today's episode I was not offended by her rude behavior. I agree she crossed the line. But I wonder if she did it because she didn't have to listen to the truth. A truth she is not so willing to listen to right now. She is too angry and hurt at this moment.

Purvi feels betrayed and a sense of disrespect from Arjun. Please don't think I am trying to justify her actions just thinking out loud with fellow lovers of ARVI. I think back of that conversation she had with Arjun at her engagement party with Vinay. When he asked her how long she and Vinay were in love and she basically said that was not something she thought of ...that you love the one your family agree for you to marry. I think in her mind the idea of loving someone and allowing yourself to accept that love is a foreign idea. And when she did allow herself to accept his love and put her soul out there it was shattered. I also think of the moment right before the ring was placed on Ovi's finger she stood there hoping that at that moment Arjun was telling his dad about them. But it did not happen. The look of devastation. She was rejected! So I get it.. her one true thing confessed his love and then abandoned her. He did not have the courage or opportunity to tell her about Ovi and unfortunately circumstances were always against him. I feel for him but also for her. To be true to their love Arjun needs to tell the truth but most importantly he needs to give their relationship the respect it deserves. When you love someone and value the relationship you aren't ashamed of it or just nullify it like it doesn't matter. By putting the ring on Ovi's finger that's what he did.

I don't know if I am right or wrong guys but I think she is coming from a place of anger and betrayal. I do believe she loves him deeply and once her anger subsides she will silently support him but also she is doing this to protect herself and keep herself away from him.She told him not to touch her because again its too painful. I feel is she allows him to talk or touch her, she's a goner. She is sucked into his love. But with the knowledge she cannot have him!

It will be interesting to see how this is all resolved without destroying the characters too much. But again in soap land that's impossible. They butcher characters all the time. Thanks for letting me share. I never write but felt really passionate about their pain and the pain to see them separated.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#55

Dear Tanyaz,

Thanks ever so much for the kind words.

I must confess that I was myself surprised at how exasperated and fed up I was yesterday, and all of that came out in the post. But reading it again today, in the cold light of reason, I would still stand by all that I wrote last night.

Not, I do not think Purvi was launching into that tirade to make Arjun so disgusted with her that he would to give her up (and then of course move on to Ovi, thus completing the Great Renunciation), but then one never knows. Even if that is it, it is both stupid and cruel. That sort of thing seemed to be an Archana speciality, we shall see if it is a trait passed on to her daughter! If so, isn't it curious that they both choose the most undeserving beneficiaries : Sachin, and now Ovi?

No, Purvi does not think he is a serial cheater, and the question of her warning Archana thus does not arise. She just says the first thing she can think of to hurt him,and he is so paralysed that he cannot voice the obvious retort (wrt Ovi's amar prem for him from when she was 14) that he cannot be expected to love all the girls who fall for him, and in any case Ovi always knew he did not love her. You know, Purvi talks of mera pyaar, but to me it does not seem like love at all, it is more like wounded vanity and a desire to hurt him as much as possible. She manages the last pretty well, given that he is as putty in her hands.

As for Ovi and Arjun, you can relax, they are not going to get married. What I said was that Purvi would deserve it if they did get married, and you know, it might not be such a bad thing if ArVi goes from bad to worse. There is more to marriage than love alone, and compatibility is important, besides the fact that the kind of starstruck adoration she has for him would be a balm to his soul, lacerated as it is now by Purvi's onslaughts. Nonetheless, so long as Arjun and Purvi are still plastered up there in the opening frame of every PR episode, there would seem to be no chance of an Arjun-Ovi marriage actually happening. Of course they might get as far as the mandap,at which point Ovi can change her mind, a la Shravani!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Tanyaz
Loved the post Shyamala and I agree with you that Purvi was very unfair to Arjun .I know Arjun has made terrible mistakes but when she spoke with him on the phone , he clearly told her that he has something to say and after that he will never bother her again . Purvi agreed to this and went back to hear him out .

Now I did not see him talking ...😕

Why did she even go there in the first place if she was to yell and tell him that he is a two time cheat ..

If Purvi is doing this for sacrifise ( to make him hate her and all that ) then fine , I take my words back ...

But if she actually believes that Arjun is a cheat then why is she not telling Archana about it ..

Archana loves her more than a daughter ...much much more ..Doesn't Purvi owes to tell Archana that her daughter in in danger because she could be marrying a guy who does not respects her love and was cheating on her ...

How can Purvi hide something like this from Archana ... 😲

I know she wants to see Archana happy but if she lets her daughter marry a cheat then how will Archana be happy ...

I am shocked that Purvi is hsiding something so important from Archana that involves her daughter's life ...Archu trusts her so much and so does Manav ..She owes this to them ..

Th other day she cried so much that Aie does not share her happiness with her any more .Today the first thing that Archana did when she saw Purvi was tell her about her joy of spending her day with Ovi ..Archana does everything that Purvi wants , Purvi should also think more sensibly ...She helped Archana and manjusha save Punni from a two timing cheat and bad choices in life ...

And that silly DK, he just left his son in this mess and even today messed it for him while sitting in Australia ...

But Shyamala , I don't think Ovi should marry Arjun ...I don't like Ovi because I think she is a snob and I like Arjun because heis a sweet guy ...but I still don't want Ovi to marry him because he does not loves her and Ovi deserves someone who genuinely loves her and that person is not Arjun .

I think Purvi did not handle things right and maturely today .

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#56

Dear altuphalu,

That is a really neat formulation, and it sums things up very nicely.

As for 'voice skills', Purvi needs a course in it, and Arjun has to find his voice first!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: altuphalu

Purvi shrills and Arjun whines. Because the writers have no other way to proceed with the plot except to use stupid dialogues.

Creatives to Rithvik and Asha "aap logon ki acting to bohut acchi hai... ab zara voice skills bhi dikha do..'

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Shruti

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Posted: 13 years ago

#57

I have not yet watched the scene just read the synopsis/update.

When Purvi found out about engagement she felt betrayed, cheated by Arjun the man she loves and her family for hiding truth about Tej from her. She didn't listen to Arjun that night didn't gave him chance to explain as she was not in frame of mind to listen anything after what she saw/heard. People did sympathize with Purvi her situation that time.

Today Arjun wanted just once to explain his side and if after this she doesn't want to meet or talk to him he was fine with it but she didn't gave him chance to say anything. At the end of the scene we saw Purvi being on wrong side for not giving Arjun chance to speak keep his side. Now whether she did this to push Arjun away from her crushing his feelings so that he hates her or she meant it or it was done to show Purvi in bad light only writers know.

When Arjun told Purvi he is leaving for Canada next day and if there is nothing between them she has no right to make him understand. If Purvi told Arjun their relationship is ended and asks him to sacrifice his love if he really loves her for Ovi's happiness Arjun needs to tell her if she has ended relationship from her end she lost rights to tell him what to do what not to which might never happen. No matter how much rude Purvi is to Arjun he will take everything. In anger one say does things that they regret later. No matter how much angry Purvi is somewhere her heart knows Arjun can never hurt her. She seems to have made up her mind not to listen to Arjun or the truth.

Arjun and Purvi are broken. Arjun is feeling guilty for breaking trust of girl he loves and Purvi for being cheated by the man she loves. Arjun could confide in his father DK tell him the truth but his father had to leave for business related work to Australia and was asked not to do anything unless he returns. Purvi can't tell truth to Archana as she can't take away happiness of Ovi. The two can't share their pain with anyone only they know what they are going through.

It's been four months of Arjun-Purvi journey from people who could not stand each other they never realized when they made place in each other heart became part of each other's life. The memories they have during this journey can't be erased and will stay with them always. Misunderstandings are part of every show but when dragged for way too long with unnecessary dialogues/track it becomes unbearable.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Dear Munni,

Thank you for the very kind words. As I wrote to Tanyaz, I was myself surprised at how exasperated and fed up I was yesterday, and all of that came out in the post. But reading it again today, in the cold light of reason, I would still stand by all that I wrote last night.

Almost everything Purvi says, or rather shrieks, yesterday is weak in both substance and logic. Take the one you have cited, that he was still business-minded. What does she think he will gain by abandoning the rich Ovi, who will inherit part of Manav's business, for the penniless Purvi? It makes no sense at all, and if I remember it correctly, she said also that she did not know how his being business-minded worked in this case. It was all a case of her saying the worst things she could think of to hurt him.

Take the other example, when she lectures him on Ovi's amar prem for him from when she was 14. Arjun is so paralysed by her onslaught that he cannot voice the obvious retort - that he cannot be expected to love all the girls who fall for him, and in any case Ovi always knew he did not love her. You know, Purvi talks of mera pyaar, but to me it does not seem like love at all, it is more like wounded vanity and a desire to hurt him as much as possible. She manages the last pretty well, given that he is as putty in her hands.

No, he is not selfish in any way, and if I had any doubts on that score, your superb post would have made them vanish!

Of course Arjun will never give up on her, and that to me is not very good news, for it will only encourage her to be even haughtier. Arjun is in fact becoming like a marshmallow put out in the sun, and Purvi sounds like a banshee. Are these the same bright, confident young people we grew to love? No. A depressing thought.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: munnihyderabad

Shyamala that was a fantastic post... 👏⭐️

you have articulated it so very well...👏

- I don't know..i am baffled at her outburst.. she was going through the same anguish...but, at the same time, was she indifferent to his pleas...or was she trying to avoid listening to him... only because she would not be able stop herself from the genuineness and honesty and truth in his eyes...that she might not be able to pull up the strength to put this brave.. I hate you attitude towards him

- I really don't know what she was thinking...if she is thinking on the sacrificial lines... at least the CVs should have shown her inner voice talking about how rude she has to be with Arjun so that he will hate her...and move on with Ovi...

- but one thing she is missing...how much ever harsh she is ...however rude and mean she is to him..in her anger and pain...there will never be a time where Arjun will hate Purvi and start loving Ovi ...just because she called him selfish and liar and betrayer...

for Arjun ...Purvi is still the same.. who changed him..who means his world...he understands her every accusation... he takes every word of hers with despair but he never felt offended...

she says he thinks with brain..if he really thought with brain...he would not be here begging her ...he would have been making some smart moves and cornering her where she would have no option but to accept him...

Arjun is majorly guilt ridden... he thinks with his heart..he does not want to hurt either of the girls... but he is ending up hurting everyone...including himself...

- I don't know where the story is leading,,,,,but i am sure ,.Arjun Purvi will end up together...but i wonder how they will give a proper logical conclusion to this love triangle

-but again calling him selfish is which hurts me the most...

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Dear Urben,

No, you were not too harsh. In fact, a few more encounters like the one of yesterday, and Arjun-Purvi would have passed the point of no return. As it is, they both already seem like distorted versions of their old selves, the ones we grew to care for and to love. It is like the trick mirrors in the booths at melas.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Urben
After watching todays eposide we can consider that what purvi did with arjun was totaly wrong and childissh..she did not even try to listin to not even once did not even give him a chance to talk she just kept bllaabbbhhrrringg her own words out...making arjun feel that he is not worth of her that hes nothing but a "THING" of no self respect towards her she did not even consider arjun as an HUMAN BEING" 😡 ...purvi only thinked about her self rescpect and her aais she did not even try to noticed about what will arjun be feeling as of now.. She did not even think once of what she was saying to arjun...poor boy i feel soo much for him after today 😭 now if purvi dont want to listin to him well that is going to be her loss not arjuns...after giving up on arjun she will later relize that what she did to him was not right..i hope that DK sir returens soon back to india and unite arjun and purvi ASAP...i am sorry for what i wrote for purvi today but in my opion i did not like todays eposide...it was sad..harsh.. :) all in all i still love our ARVI and want them to reunite soon...so we can see our dear arjun as purvis duhla and purvi as arjuns duhalan 😳 👏 Plzzz ekta mam do something soon so we arvi fans can c our arjun and purvi married togather :) luv u arvi muuzzhh

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Dear Archana,,

Sorry to butt in, and also for being a Cassandra , but how many more weeks and months of stuff like yesterday's are you steeling yourself to survive?

And then, if Ms. Purvi is not going to talk to strangers (and this list clearly begins and ends with Arjun, as she made clear yesterday), how do you work out the mechanics of "Purvi deciding to sacrifice for her family's happiness, and forcing Arjun to keep his mouth shut about them (probably in tomorrow's episode)" ?

Shyamala
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Originally posted by: archverma10
Jhanvi,
Well said...😉 you are right indeed..."hell hath no fury as a woman scorned". I watched Issa's clip online too...will probably wind up watching it tonight (fast forwarding the parts I cant handle of course).

I admit now about the ring...it is an eyesore and Im finding myself really hating the fact he has it on his finger. I am not sure why he continues to wear it...hopefully there will be a significance to this and he will take it off in a very public way...

There is no doubt that he has every intention of telling Ovi the truth. He wants to respect her feelings and try to do it with as minimal pain as possible but I agree with Laurie...he has to come clean now once and for all...

I do want to see some gumption in Arjun where Purvi is concerned and I want to see him get all fired up. At the same time he was confessing he showed his powerful self by telling her she needed to come out or he was coming in, and also even in the scene the next morning twice he cut her off...he asked her who she was to tell him whether to love her or not, and also gave her an ultimatum. We need to see this come back- and with his personality Im banking on the fact that it will. Yes, he kept mum and silent because as he keeps saying he is confused and doesnt know what to do. But the thought of losing Purvi forever will be absolutely unbearable to him...he is too much in love with her and will ignite a truly stupendous explosion.

Im hoping we see a return of this, and I think we will. I just dont see him going ahead with Ovi.

Even now, indirectly, hes not listening to her is he? She ordered him to stay away from her, never try to contact her, their rishta over etc. He is not just crying about it, giving up, taking her word for it and keeping quiet. Even after that he is still trying to tell Ovi the truth. I just dont see him going ahead with a marriage to her. Hes going along with this farce to spare her feelings. I truly believe the minute he starts seeing the ugly side of her (her yelling at Purvi and such) all hell will really break loose.

Its like I said before- the MU will be around him trying to explain things and not getting a chance to somehow. Someone posted (Laurie or Munni?) that if he does get a chance to explain and Purvi listens to him...the MU is over...she wont be able to hold out. I dont buy it but you never know...its possible she is trying to distance herself from him. But its not going to work. He is not going to let her. Call him lovesick fool, spineless, a sop, etc..but one thing is very clear: now that he knows she loves him, he is not going to let her go that easily. He wants her too badly- enough to throw all propriety and caution out the window whether justified or not ("that bull in a china shop analogy was very, very accurate- picture all the china pretty much broken and in pieces- that is exactly what is going to happen.")

Another thing: there are certain other factors still in play here that we need to consider.

1) We know for sure that Ovi is going to find out (not how/when but we know she is)

2) We know for sure that Archana is going to find out (same thing)

3) Soham/Varsha are going to enter at some point (thereby opening another drama for Archana/Manav- another child they thought was gone is back)

4) Punni still has to make an appearance (we know for sure it ain't over till its over in her book)

5) Savita/Damodar will be coming to India.

Now these are all factors to consider that leaves me to believe that this silent sacrifice angle, with only Purvi and Arjun (and the missing DK) knowing the truth, is not going to last that long. Once the people around them find out all hell will break loose, and it wont be her call anymore.

With all this I am hoping and praying this track is not going to drag until the divorce. Even though they didnt give us much the CVs did make the 2 accept their love for each other and give us the confessions and sweet scenes instead of my worst nightmare at the time: Ovi running into Arjun at the airport first and hugging him while Purvi watches. Then she would have kept mum and he would never have known her feelings. 😭

Someone, I dont remember who (in the forum was it Shyamala? Not sure..) but look at the banner itself. Archana and Manav are standing far apart while Purvi and Arjun are standing in front of each other looking up and smiling at each other. This may be overly optimistic where EKTA and the CVs are concerned, but I dont think the CVs will keep both couples separated at the same time for a long time. If you notice as the MU is there between Arjun/Purvi, Archu/Manav are enjoying more closeness and nice moments. It could be very possible that if Archu finds out, sides with Purvi, Savita will come, MU with Archu/Manav will happen, and ARVI will reunite.

It is clear they are not going to let them both be happy. The whole sacrifice angle is that someone gets to be happy while someone else has to pay the price.

I dont know...thats what I think. This week was just terrible for ARVI. However, (me being the perpetual optimist here again) although it has really taken a very terrible toll on all of us, the worst is pretty much over. This week sees the MU between ARVI, and the Purvi sacrifice decision.

This is hard to do...but we knew we had to go through it and we have. Purvi breaking up with him, Arjun still with Ovi hanging on him and us having to bear the sight of her, Purvi deciding to sacrifice for her family's happiness, and forcing Arjun to keep his mouth shut about them (probably in tomorrow's episode). What else can there be short of an Arjun/Ovi actual marriage?? (which we know isnt going to happen).

So lets all get through tomorrow's episode...take the weekend to recover and get our emotions back in check...and wait for next week...I really think things are going to start to turn around slowly. The separation may last for just a little longer- then the process of reuniting them will start to begin. There is no other way to keep the story moving. 😊

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