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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#61

Dear Janhvi,

You are here answering questions that I never posed, but thanks all the same for an excellent piece of writing, as always. One can practically see a dissertation in the making!

You know, what strikes me is how much of deja vu there is in this analysis, and in so many others, including mine. We are, all of us, recycling our arguments, round and round and round, while behind our backs, the objects of our affection are slowly changing into distorted versions of their old selves, the ones we had grown to love. Arjun is becoming like a marshmallow put out in the sun, and Purvi sounds like a banshee. Are these the same bright, confident young people we grew to love? No.

They now seem to be a depressing, ill-assorted pair, passing each other like ships in the dark. Of course the CVs will produce more twists and turns and get them together in the end, but the magic is already fast fading.

What is the relevance of ArVi to us all if Arjun is no longer the Arjun and Purvi is no longer the Purvi we loved? It will be but a pale ghost of what once was.

It is much sadder to fall out of love than to lose in love. I fear that the former is where I am headed, unless there are some miracles from the CVs. And as we all know, miracles do not happen.

Shyamala

PS: I am sending you a separate response to your original reaction to my post of last night. it will tell you where I am coming from and where I think I am going, and I hope you will, as always, bear with me for its length. And like Arjun, I promise that there will be no more follow ups to that one!

Incidentally, I hope he sticks to that resolution at least; I saw it as a good sign that he has stopped calling her. If she is not going to talk to him any more (as she does not talk to strangers - Of all the hysterical things to say! Can one not have a sensible, dignified exchange for once? ), she obviously cannot continue to work for him. I look forward to that, as it will preclude any more Arjun-Purvi encounters for some time to come. There is only so much one can take, and only so many times one can listen to Hai Rabba or the revival of Aahatein!

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1
Shyamala, if you noticed I didn't call Arjun selfish in my original post, I was responding to Munni when she said she couldn't stand Arjun being called selfish. All of us have a strain of selfishness in us and so does Arjun. The definition you give of selfish, my friend, is the classic dictionary version. We are all selfish to a degree, does the classic mold hold good for all of us then?

I tend to take the 'self-concerned' part of the definition and believe it does apply to Arjun. I do not like ripping his character apart as he is already suffering but he was self concerned in his actions. He agreed to marry Ovi not because he was a Good Samaritan but because he knew she loved him and since he didn't have any love interest at that time probably thought it was a good idea. No harm in that.

Nothing evil in that he did topple hopelessly in love with that hapless girl who has been shrieking her heart out much to the disgust and dismay of many on this forum. It was definitely self serving that he didn't tell her about Ovi, he didn't want to upset his apple cart, he was self concerned when he took into consideration his dad and his friend over her. People can be selfish when it comes to their friends and family and that is what he was at least in Purvi's eyes, selfish as he was self serving in that he chose his own comfort level, his dad's and Ovi's over hers. At that instant his own emotional well being mattered to him more than his loved one's.

How much ever we like him, we have to acknowledge that there was a bit of self interest in his not disclosing to Purvi about Ovi before his procuring her confession of love. None of this is a heinous crime, but to say he is blemish less is kind of laying it on a bit too thick, my friend. Purvi called him selfish in a fit of anger, we cannot hold her to the strict rendering of the term 'selfish' if we are not going to hold Arjun responsible for any of his trespasses. They are both not perfect, they are flawed but so real that we tend to take sides 😉

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#62

Dear aviaanya,

Thank you very much, not just for the compliments -which are always welcome! - but even more so for setting out an alternative point of view in such a gentle and yet compelling way.

There is a lot is what you have said, though I am not there all the way with you. I feel very strongly that Purvi could have said the same thing in a far more dignified and yet compelling fashion, still not reducing Arjun to a pariah. As for him, his spinelessness alarms me more than her virulence.

You know, you refer to the look on her face at the engagement party, of what you thought was hope that Arjun might be telling his father about himself and Purvi. I saw that too, and it looked to me like fear, or at least alarm. Just think of what would have happened if Arjun had told his father, and of course he would have had to reveal Purvi's name. Not just DK, Manav, Ovi and the rest, but also Archana and Ovi would have been devastated, and there would have been a first class scandal of the kind that would have crushed the conventional Purvi and alienated her from a good part of her parivaar. No, that would not really have worked, and so Arjun was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

As for the characters, they are already becoming like the curiously distorted images you see in the trick mirrors at melas, corrupted versions of their old selves, the ones we had grown to love. Arjun is becoming like a marshmallow put out in the sun, and Purvi sounds like a banshee. Are these the same bright, confident young people we grew to love? No.

The question that then arises, inevitably is : What is the relevance of ArVi to us all if Arjun is no longer the Arjun and Purvi is no longer the Purvi we loved? It will be but a pale ghost of what once was.

Once again, congratulations on a completely non-acerbic but lucid analysis. I do not agree with it, but I admire it nonetheless.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: aviaanya
Shyamala as always thank you very much for a very provocative post. I have enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts and can definitely see all points of view. However, As I watched today's episode I was not offended by her rude behavior. I agree she crossed the line. But I wonder if she did it because she didn't have to listen to the truth. A truth she is not so willing to listen to right now. She is too angry and hurt at this moment.

Purvi feels betrayed and a sense of disrespect from Arjun. Please don't think I am trying to justify her actions just thinking out loud with fellow lovers of ARVI. I think back of that conversation she had with Arjun at her engagement party with Vinay. When he asked her how long she and Vinay were in love and she basically said that was not something she thought of ...that you love the one your family agree for you to marry. I think in her mind the idea of loving someone and allowing yourself to accept that love is a foreign idea. And when she did allow herself to accept his love and put her soul out there it was shattered. I also think of the moment right before the ring was placed on Ovi's finger she stood there hoping that at that moment Arjun was telling his dad about them. But it did not happen. The look of devastation. She was rejected! So I get it.. her one true thing confessed his love and then abandoned her. He did not have the courage or opportunity to tell her about Ovi and unfortunately circumstances were always against him. I feel for him but also for her. To be true to their love Arjun needs to tell the truth but most importantly he needs to give their relationship the respect it deserves. When you love someone and value the relationship you aren't ashamed of it or just nullify it like it doesn't matter. By putting the ring on Ovi's finger that's what he did.

I don't know if I am right or wrong guys but I think she is coming from a place of anger and betrayal. I do believe she loves him deeply and once her anger subsides she will silently support him but also she is doing this to protect herself and keep herself away from him.She told him not to touch her because again its too painful. I feel is she allows him to talk or touch her, she's a goner. She is sucked into his love. But with the knowledge she cannot have him!

It will be interesting to see how this is all resolved without destroying the characters too much. But again in soap land that's impossible. They butcher characters all the time. Thanks for letting me share. I never write but felt really passionate about their pain and the pain to see them separated.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#63

Dear Janhvi,

I read your characteristically well done apologia for Purvi with the respect that it deserved. That I do not buy most of what you have stated so persuasively is something else. There are quite enough others who do, and of course they should follow their heart. I thought quite a bit before sending in this response to yours, for I would be sorry indeed if it began to look even a tiny bit like a game of one-up(wo)manship or a slanging match. But I know you will both take it in the right spirit (oh dear, what a clich!) and probably have fun in the process. So her goes.

First of all, I just want to underline one thing. No one is "asking Purvi to throw caution to the winds and be blown away by Arjun's sweet promises". At least not me. You might remember that I tried to tell you exactly the same thing about the early morning scene after his confession. I am NOT asking her to fall on his neck. All I am asking for is some decency. Would you like me, as I had done for that early morning scene, to give you a draft of what she could have said to brush him off definitively, and yet not treat him like a pariah? I could give you six different versions, all dignified and aloof. Well brought up young women do not scream like a virago, and they do not kick a man when he is down. (Add to it that Purvi does not look at all nice when she is ranting; she looks like a harpy. Archana is far prettier and she can manage this sort of stuff far better).

Second thing, please don't conclude that I am going to make a case to exculpate Arjun, just as you are tying yourself into knots (very elegant knots, I hasten to add, but knots all the same!) to make Purvi's behaviour yesterday look acceptable. I am going to do nothing of the kind. On the contrary, I am beginning to despise Arjun. I would any day prefer a Heathcliff to a guy like this, who appears to have spaghetti for a backbone, and who lets himself be kicked around like this and is yet bleating "Meri baat to suno!" If I have to hear that line just once more, I shall start climbing the wall.

He is so paralysed by her verbal onslaught that he does not even think, when she is carrying on about Ovi having loved him since she was 14 years old (and who told her that, one wonders), of stating the obvious - that HE never loved Ovi, and surely he cannot be expected to love every girl who falls for him? Nor does he get in a sentence about his having got DK's tacit consent for their marriage. It is all SO stupid and so badly done that it is insufferable. I do NOT like weak men or shrewish women, and here we have a combination of both.

Frankly, quite apart from all the very relevant points made by bee5 as to why Arjun does not take off the ring, I cannot understand how matters will change for him if he does ditch it. Purvi will be exactly as hostile as she is now, for she is not proceeding from the premise that he can do anything to set things right for her; the sort of things she says are a definite closing the door in Arjun's face. She is not interested in what he is going thru, she is only concerned about her aai and, at one remove, about Ovi. The last is a real joke, and will be more of one when, pretty soon, Ovi lets Purvi know exactly what she thinks of her. It will be even more virulent than Purvi was today.

And how do you arrive at the point where " he chucks that silly band off his finger and Ovi's delicate arms off from around his neck. Once he realizes, get out he will ASAP out of the clutches of saccharine sweet Ovi into the waiting and forgiving arms of his Miss. Purvi"? If Purvi is savaging Arjun verbally as part of her Grand Sacrifice for her aai's daughter, how do you think she will relent when Arjun's eases Ovi out? Logically, she should be even angrier with him for insulting Ovi's mahaan prem (from the time she was 14), and then how could she 'ruin' her 'sister's' life for such selfish reasons of her own? No, Janhvi, you cannot squeeze in a happy ending just by getting Arjun to ditch both Ovi and her ring. He will get around to that any day now, but it will change nothing.

I am sure that by now I have made one thing clear: for me this is not an Arjun vs Purvi thing, and a who is less or more to blame exercise, which seems to be the premise from which you and many others are proceeding. I am beginning to dislike Purvi and despise Arjun, and once one goes down that road, it is very difficult to reverse course. One loses respect for such characters, and then why should one care what happens to them? Or whether they have a happy ending? I think what I want now is some kind of ending, anything at all to spare me more of scenes like yesterday's. But even as I write this, I know it is not going to happen, and the only way for me to escape will be to vote with my feet. I am not quite there yet, but we shall see.

This pair no longer seems to deserve all the affection and caring we shower on them, especially not she, for at least Arjun is quiet and he never says a harsh word to her. And don't tell me that it is because he is in the wrong. Men who are in the wrong but clever enough can turn the tables on the woman very smoothly and effectively. Whether he is in the wrong, as now, or she was in the wrong as when she was accusing him of making a pass at her after that infamous 'kiss", our Arjun is the same, ready to take any abuse without retaliation. What the medievals would have called a preux chevalier. But you know what, I used to think that was so touching, like his readiness to shed tears in any emotional situation. Now it merely irritates me. As I said earlier, I do not like wimps.

The problem is that the character development is getting to be more and more inconsistent for both Arjun and Purvi. I am not talking of the assorted MUs, as the forum folks call them, ending in the mother of all MUs, the engagement. I mean the way in which the two handle the MUs. Arjun is becoming like a marshmallow put out in the sun, and Purvi sounds like a banshee. Are these the same bright, confident young people we grew to love? No.

To touch on one final (I can practically hear you sighing in relief, 'At last!") point, you say that with Arjun it is all, as yet, just words, and he has not delivered as he should ( I presume you do not count his talking to DK or the vote of confidence that the PoA implies). Agreed. But then, what is it with Purvi too but words, and very few of them at that? What has she done for him? She talks of her 'love', but to me this does not seem like love at all, it is more like wounded vanity and a desire to hurt him as much as possible. She manages the last pretty well, given that he is as putty in her hands, and he is back to mooning over his mother's photo for consolation and/or inspiration about how to handle this girl. He will never give up on her no matter how much she demeans him, and that is perhaps the worst of all. If I were Aashana, I would tell my son to stand up and be a man for a change, and not a whining puppy.

Shyamala

PS: Archana has suggested, mischievously, that PR might end up as another Taming of the Shrew. I responded that Purvi might make a good Kate, but the Arjun of the past week is no Petruchio! I find myself wishing very much that he was. Most women like masterful men, especially the ones that are no pushovers themselves.

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Dear Archana, Shyamala & Bee, I have to agree with Laurie (Axiom), our dear Arjun is not walking on water either and " hell hath no fury like that of a woman scorned" and scorned she was, he did not spare a thought to Purvi the day of the engagement. Yes, I know, he has tried to explain, he has even talked to his dad, he is despondent and so on. Big deal, he failed to deliver and he still has that hated ring on his finger and Archana, he looked at it today, so he knows it is there (you thought maybe he had forgotten about it). 😆 If love is only about forgiveness that is total crapshoot, sorry 😃 Love is about mutual trust and putting one another first above all else, that didn't happen on Arjun's side in the first place for all his dewy eyed looks and flowery words. It is not now happening on her side either. But it is young love, new love and they are both not very certain of each other so they are destined to go through the test of true love and we have to endure in patience..

I still cling to that straw that the CVs gave us today (Arch, I watched it online, had to), when Purvi comes home and hears Archana talking to Sulo (by the way, did you guys notice Purvi's feet outside the door waiting for her cue to enter?), she asks her mom in the form of a statement, "Ovi is happy and so if Ovi is happy you are happy, and if you are happy, I am happy" Tanya, this doesn't sound like a girl who thinks Arjun is a cheater, no, she is giving up on him, to make sure her Aai is happy, Bee is right the story line has to be stretched and we have to be subjected to this pain. Purvi knows if she gives Arjun an opportunity to talk, she will be lost, look what happened the night of the confession. She cannot let that happen.

Remember too, we expected Purvi to understand Arjun's predicament the day of the engagement, well so should he, understand i.e., that her shrill ranting emanates from a broken heart, in pain for him as much as for herself and for their oh, so pavitra rishta.

And Tanya, Archana hid the fact about Teju for a long time, Purvi has only hidden the facts about Arjun for a day or two. And Archana pouring her heart out to Purvi about Ovi, I don't think was in adherance to her promise to tell Purvi everything, it was more the outpouring of her own emotions and happiness at having spent time with her long lost daughter. Archana needs to curb that a little but as Bee so well puts it, this too has to happen so that Purvi's resolve to sacrifice is reinforced at every juncture.

Please give the girl a break, put yourself in Purvi's place, if the guy you loved and who said he loved you, got engaged right before you to your sister and you knew your parents and sister and his dad were ecstatic about the match, would you go telling them, "hey, the guy belongs to me"? I don't think so. She does not know how the news will be received and even if Arjun loves her how far he will go to stand by that love. He let her down once, he has made mistakes before (the gifting, the MMS), she knows he is like a bull in a china shop when it comes to her, he will rage and rant and not pay attention to any propriety but at the end of the day, will he take it to the next step, marriage? He said he would, we believe he will but he went through with that engagement, yes, it was a surprise, would he have gone through a surprise marriage if his dad had arranged it for him? Purvi stands to lose big time with a disclosure, her maan will be in shreds, her aai, her aaji, her baba will all be at least disappointed at the turn of events.

You are asking Purvi to throw caution to the winds and be blown away by Arjun's sweet promises? Not a chance, he needs to get out of that engagement first and foremost to prove he means business as Laurie says, NOT flirt with Punni dearest but he can show his mettle, 😆 stay strong if you guys want him to😉, give Purvi the silent treatment if it will appease your souls (tit for tat) and then they can make up and we can all be merry once again! .

I think Purvi's treatment will throw Arjun off the edge and get him to realize the enormity of the situation (please don't tell me he already does, he doesn't, not until he chucks that silly band off his finger and Ovi's delicate arms off from around his neck). Once he realizes, get out he will ASAP out of the clutches of saccharine sweet Ovi into the waiting and forgiving arms of his Miss. Purvi. And to twist Browning a little "Arjun is with his Purvi, all's right with the world" 😃
I like happy endings, I am sure you do too.😳

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

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I hasten to clarify that the huge font was really not my fault; the site seems to have a mind of its own!

And please oblige me by adding an 'e' to the 'cliche'. That was also swallowed up in some mysterious fashion.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Janhvi,

I read your characteristically well done apologia for Purvi with the respect that it deserved. That I do not buy most of what you have stated so persuasively is something else. There are quite enough others who do, and of course they should follow their heart. I thought quite a bit before sending in this response to yours, for I would be sorry indeed if it began to look even a tiny bit like a game of one-up(wo)manship or a slanging match. But I know you will both take it in the right spirit (oh dear, what a cliche!) and probably have fun in the process. So her goes.

First of all, I just want to underline one thing. No one is "asking Purvi to throw caution to the winds and be blown away by Arjun's sweet promises". At least not me. You might remember that I tried to tell you exactly the same thing about the early morning scene after his confession. I am NOT asking her to fall on his neck. All I am asking for is some decency. Would you like me, as I had done for that early morning scene, to give you a draft of what she could have said to brush him off definitively, and yet not treat him like a pariah? I could give you six different versions, all dignified and aloof. Well brought up young women do not scream like a virago, and they do not kick a man when he is down. (Add to it that Purvi does not look at all nice when she is ranting; she looks like a harpy. Archana is far prettier and she can manage this sort of stuff far better).

Second thing, please don't conclude that I am going to make a case to exculpate Arjun, just as you are tying yourself into knots (very elegant knots, I hasten to add, but knots all the same!) to make Purvi's behaviour yesterday look acceptable. I am going to do nothing of the kind. On the contrary, I am beginning to despise Arjun. I would any day prefer a Heathcliff to a guy like this, who appears to have spaghetti for a backbone, and who lets himself be kicked around like this and is yet bleating "Meri baat to suno!" If I have to hear that line just once more, I shall start climbing the wall.

He is so paralysed by her verbal onslaught that he does not even think, when she is carrying on about Ovi having loved him since she was 14 years old (and who told her that, one wonders), of stating the obvious - that HE never loved Ovi, and surely he cannot be expected to love every girl who falls for him? Nor does he get in a sentence about his having got DK's tacit consent for their marriage. It is all SO stupid and so badly done that it is insufferable. I do NOT like weak men or shrewish women, and here we have a combination of both.

Frankly, quite apart from all the very relevant points made by bee5 as to why Arjun does not take off the ring, I cannot understand how matters will change for him if he does ditch it. Purvi will be exactly as hostile as she is now, for she is not proceeding from the premise that he can do anything to set things right for her; the sort of things she says are a definite closing the door in Arjun's face. She is not interested in what he is going thru, she is only concerned about her aai and, at one remove, about Ovi. The last is a real joke, and will be more of one when, pretty soon, Ovi lets Purvi know exactly what she thinks of her. It will be even more virulent than Purvi was today.

And how do you arrive at the point where " he chucks that silly band off his finger and Ovi's delicate arms off from around his neck. Once he realizes, get out he will ASAP out of the clutches of saccharine sweet Ovi into the waiting and forgiving arms of his Miss. Purvi"? If Purvi is savaging Arjun verbally as part of her Grand Sacrifice for her aai's daughter, how do you think she will relent when Arjun's eases Ovi out? Logically, she should be even angrier with him for insulting Ovi's mahaan prem (from the time she was 14), and then how could she 'ruin' her 'sister's' life for such selfish reasons of her own? No, Janhvi, you cannot squeeze in a happy ending just by getting Arjun to ditch both Ovi and her ring. He will get around to that any day now, but it will change nothing.

I am sure that by now I have made one thing clear: for me this is not an Arjun vs Purvi thing, and a who is less or more to blame exercise, which seems to be the premise from which you and many others are proceeding. I am beginning to dislike Purvi and despise Arjun, and once one goes down that road, it is very difficult to reverse course. One loses respect for such characters, and then why should one care what happens to them? Or whether they have a happy ending? I think what I want now is some kind of ending, anything at all to spare me more of scenes like yesterday's. But even as I write this, I know it is not going to happen, and the only way for me to escape will be to vote with my feet. I am not quite there yet, but we shall see.

This pair no longer seems to deserve all the affection and caring we shower on them, especially not she, for at least Arjun is quiet and he never says a harsh word to her. And don't tell me that it is because he is in the wrong. Men who are in the wrong but clever enough can turn the tables on the woman very smoothly and effectively. Whether he is in the wrong, as now, or she was in the wrong as when she was accusing him of making a pass at her after that infamous 'kiss", our Arjun is the same, ready to take any abuse without retaliation. What the medievals would have called a preux chevalier. But you know what, I used to think that was so touching, like his readiness to shed tears in any emotional situation. Now it merely irritates me. As I said earlier, I do not like wimps.

The problem is that the character development is getting to be more and more inconsistent for both Arjun and Purvi. I am not talking of the assorted MUs, as the forum folks call them, ending in the mother of all MUs, the engagement. I mean the way in which the two handle the MUs. Arjun is becoming like a marshmallow put out in the sun, and Purvi sounds like a banshee. Are these the same bright, confident young people we grew to love? No.

To touch on one final (I can practically hear you sighing in relief, 'At last!") point, you say that with Arjun it is all, as yet, just words, and he has not delivered as he should ( I presume you do not count his talking to DK or the vote of confidence that the PoA implies). Agreed. But then, what is it with Purvi too but words, and very few of them at that? What has she done for him? She talks of her 'love', but to me this does not seem like love at all, it is more like wounded vanity and a desire to hurt him as much as possible. She manages the last pretty well, given that he is as putty in her hands, and he is back to mooning over his mother's photo for consolation and/or inspiration about how to handle this girl. He will never give up on her no matter how much she demeans him, and that is perhaps the worst of all. If I were Aashana, I would tell my son to stand up and be a man for a change, and not a whining puppy.

Shyamala

PS: Archana has suggested, mischievously, that PR might end up as another Taming of the Shrew. I responded that Purvi might make a good Kate, but the Arjun of the past week is no Petruchio! I find myself wishing very much that he was. Most women like masterful men, especially the ones that are no pushovers themselves.

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soapwatcher1

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Dear Shyamala,
First of my apologies for yesterday's response written on the plane with my phone auto correcting every word!! I will re- read the garbled mess I wrote as well as your responses to me as well as everyone else by tonight. Hope to catch Tanya's update this morning!
Happy PRing until then!

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Trish is, with justification, lamenting the breaking up of ArVi. After seeing today's episode, and the show Purvi put up, I feel that it is better that way. The sad part is that it will NOT stay that way, it will be resurrected, patched together, and passed off as Pavitra Rishta II. But it will be a shabby, refurbished rishta at best; broken china can be glued together, but the cracks always show.
Hi Shyamala...very well written👏...even like all, i too felt same today..Purvi was over reacting, she should have given him 1 chance to speak..cause during forehead kiss time, too she never allowed him to speak...which finally led to Arjun's confession😃..i 100% agree with ur crack lines...thats for sure😊

Purvi got on my nerves so much today it was all that I could do to last thru the segment.She was infinitely worse than after his confession; now she thinks she can be as rude as possible to him since he has shown her his weakness for her. There was not an iota of understanding for Arjun's obvious misery and his pathetic attempts to get her to listen to him. She was so relentlessly aggressive that he seemed to lose his nerve completely and did not manage to say even a fraction of what he could and should have told her.
yaa..after his confession, she has just taken him for granted..i agree in some parts he has done mistake...but he should b given equal chance to speak up...poor kept on shouting to listen him only 1 time...this girl was just blabbering all the time..neglecting him completely...even he's bearing the same pain, which she is going through...his love for Purvi we can see in his eyes...but Purvi is not doing justice with him at all

Not that she would have listened She was hellbent on hectoring him, did not let him get a word in edgeways, lambasted him in high decibels, and finally announced in stentorian tones that she had not come there to listen to him, but "mera faisla sunane ke liye. To kan kholke suno". (I have come to announce my decision, so listen carefully). She treated him as if he was a beggar at her door, and the way he pleaded with her still even in the face of such treatment, he probably deserves it.

There was none of the talk of a sacrifice for Ovi that we had expected, only an unending and unrelenting stream of vituperation. Her arrogance and harshness were unbelievable. After this, as far as I am concerned, it is not a question of whether Arjun should or should not say "I love you" to her while looking at Ovi. He should not say it at all. What she deserves (for she does not deserve Arjun any more) is for him to actually get married to Ovi, who at least loves him and will be kind and affectionate to him. How long can a man take this kind of ill treatment and still run after woman? It is totally demeaning. If I had been Arjun I would have said, enough is enough, and got out of this mess pronto.

But of course he is not going to do that. He seems to be blind, deaf and dumb where she is concerned: blind because he cannot see anything beyond her, deaf to even the worst insults she hurls at him, and dumb because today he became terminally inarticulate and did not manage a single cohesive sentence; he did not even tell her he has already spoken to his dad. Not that she would have paid any attention even to that.

So, when Ovi chews Purvi out tomorrow at the restaurant, I will be applauding, not because it was the proper thing for Ovi to do, but because I think Purvi deserves it for her behaviour towards poor Arjun today.

It is all of a piece; I always felt that Purvi had a tendency to bully those she can, like Vinay (before the MMS scene) and Arjun. She is continuing in the same vein now, and because Arjun is so guilt-ridden, he does not snap back and tell her where to get off.

I do not know how much of Archana's sanskar Purvi has absorbed; Archana would never have handled this situation the way Purvi does. And I don't buy the argument that her harshness is meant to push Arjun away from her.

I never dreamt that I would welcome a shift from Arjun-Purvi to scenes of Ovi and Teju or Manav and Archana, but that was exactly how it was. And if we have a few episodes sans Arjun (who will be in the depths of despair, staring at Aashana's photo for inspiration, with Hai Rabba playing in the background) or Purvi (staring into space with a long face), I shall be more than glad. Anything but these horrible scenes between a virago in full force and a man who seems to be a glutton for punishment, the more he gets of it the more determined he seems to not let go of her and to get some more.

Purvi has announced also that from now on, there is no relationship between them, she does not know him and she does not talk to strangers, and he better not dare to meet her or talk to her. I hope this means that she will tear up the PoA and sit at home listening to her aai and her aaji sing praises of Ovi and cosset her every chance they get.

That way, Arjun will at least be spared the misery of having her around him. If he has so little self-respect as to set himself up for any more such scenes with her, I shall wash my hands off him. It is all right, as Archana (our Archana) said so well, to put up with humiliation, rejection, pain, for love. But there are limits to everything, and today, we have reached the limit.

Romeo and Juliet this pair is not, and there is no chance of a tragic end either, so I am now stuck with this distortion of a love story. This, it seems to me, is going to be the real Tar Baby, for the two HAVE to end up together, and so God knows how many more such ugly episodes we shall have to endure. By the time it all pans out, the magic would have long vanished, and I shall be glad to be liberated from Arjun-Purvi and from PR.

I am very sorry if I sound almost as vituperative as Purvi was today, and the above gets on your nerves. There must be many of you who can find excuses for what Purvi did today, and you have every right to do so. I apologise if I upset any of you, but to me, the scene between them today was truly intolerable. Nothing excuses such behaviour, nothing at all ' whether it was Purvi's shrill shrewishness or Arjun's appalling spinelessness.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

I could not write more😆...but u have written in full dtls which i wanted to say😳...nice again⭐️👏

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Esha Singh

@eshasrk

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Posted: 13 years ago

#67

Arjun wants one chance to explain his side of the story to Purvi...but what does he want to explain exactly 😕 ????

In my opinion whatever Purvi said yesterday minus the business man part , coz that has nothing to do with this at all , is more or less true.

I agree that maybe Purvi should have listened to him and then tell him whatever she told him yesterday but maybe in a more silent way instead of screaming.

But than again Purvi is hurt, extremely hurt and I guess most ppl in such a situation would react like she did. On top of it all she cannot share her hurt with anyone and she has to listen to Ovi-Arjun jaap from each and everyone...

I feel that whatever she did yesterday was on purpose just to push Arjun as far as possible from her, coz she knows he will keep calling her ( he did when he was at home although she told him not to ) , he will try to keep explaining and she doesn't want that.

I think she doesn't want to show her weakness and that is why she purposely hurts Arjun...The hurt was clearly evident in her eyes yesterday...

I feel that in both cases she'll loose: If she continues with her relation with Arjun , people will say she's selfish...she doesn't even consider her parents or sister's happiness, she's trying to ruin her sister's happiness for her own..., she might loose the family she loves so much

Now she's trying to give happiness to her parents & sister, she looses her love ...still she's being blamed.

Arjun says he wants one chance to explain, but what is he gonna explain to her :

That he does not love Ovi..., but still promised to marry her before leaving Canada...

That he didn't know abt the engagement...that is true , he didn't know but nevertheless it happened because of his earlier promise to Ovi...

That he loves only Purvi...even that is true , but then again it ain't easy for Purvi to believe this after all that is happened...

He made a promise to one girl ( Ovi ) before leaving Canada...even if he doesn't love Ovi , but a promise is still a promise

He came to India, truly fell in love with another girl ( Purvi ) and never told her about Ovi...Purvi was totally unaware of all this till the engagement happened...

I cannot blame Purvi for not trusting Arjun anymore...and what sense will it make to tell people now abt him & Purvi...they will not blame Ovi, coz Ovi is not wrong in any of this mess...ppl will start making a mockery of Purvi and her feelings..., coz she came second in Arjun's life...

Arjun should also realise that to continue with the next chapter , the one before should be closed first...He cannot keep hopping from Ovi to Purvi or the other way around...

So I still cannot blame Purvi for doing what she did, coz her trust is been broken by the person she opened her heart to and she feels cheated...

And Arjun should realise that at this point of time, explaining his side of the story to Purvi will not make any sense, coz she sees different things happening. Arjun should come clean with Ovi first -how is the big question- I still don't get it why he needs so much time to tell Ovi the truth...he should come to the point !!!!!

And only than can he concentrate on winning back Purvi's trust & love...

I don't know maybe I'm wrong...but this is how I see it...didn't mean to offend anyone 😃...just my point of view

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abhimg

@abhimg

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Posted: 13 years ago

#68

Originally posted by: esha
Arjun wants one chance to explain his side of the story to Purvi...but what does he want to explain exactly 😕 ????
In my opinion whatever Purvi said yesterday minus the business man part , coz that has nothing to do with this at all , is more or less true.

I agree that maybe Purvi should have listened to him and then tell him whatever she told him yesterday but maybe in a more silent way instead of screaming.

But than again Purvi is hurt, extremely hurt and I guess most ppl in such a situation would react like she did. On top of it all she cannot share her hurt with anyone and she has to listen to Ovi-Arjun jaap from each and everyone...

I feel that whatever she did yesterday was on purpose just to push Arjun as far as possible from her, coz she knows he will keep calling her ( he did when he was at home although she told him not to ) , he will try to keep explaining and she doesn't want that.

I think she doesn't want to show her weakness and that is why she purposely hurts Arjun...The hurt was clearly evident in her eyes yesterday...

I feel that in both cases she'll loose: If she continues with her relation with Arjun , people will say she's selfish...she doesn't even consider her parents or sister's happiness, she's trying to ruin her sister's happiness for her own..., she might loose the family she loves so much

Now she's trying to give happiness to her parents & sister, she looses her love ...still she's being blamed.

Arjun says he wants one chance to explain, but what is he gonna explain to her :

That he does not love Ovi..., but still promised to marry her before leaving Canada...

That he didn't know abt the engagement...that is true , he didn't know but nevertheless it happened because of his earlier promise to Ovi...

That he loves only Purvi...even that is true , but then again it ain't easy for Purvi to believe this after all that is happened...

He made a promise to one girl ( Ovi ) before leaving Canada...even if he doesn't love Ovi , but a promise is still a promise

He came to India, truly fell in love with another girl ( Purvi ) and never told her about Ovi...Purvi was totally unaware of all this till the engagement happened...

I cannot blame Purvi for not trusting Arjun anymore...and what sense will it make to tell people now abt him & Purvi...they will not blame Ovi, coz Ovi is not wrong in any of this mess...ppl will start making a mockery of Purvi and her feelings..., coz she came second in Arjun's life...

Arjun should also realise that to continue with the next chapter , the one before should be closed first...He cannot keep hopping from Ovi to Purvi or the other way around...

So I still cannot blame Purvi for doing what she did, coz her trust is been broken by the person she opened her heart to and she feels cheated...

And Arjun should realise that at this point of time, explaining his side of the story to Purvi will not make any sense, coz she sees different things happening. Arjun should come clean with Ovi first -how is the big question- I still don't get it why he needs so much time to tell Ovi the truth...he should come to the point !!!!!

And only than can he concentrate on winning back Purvi's trust & love...

I don't know maybe I'm wrong...but this is how I see it...didn't mean to offend anyone 😃...just my point of view

Arjun and Purvi are both new to this magical feeling of love. And you've got to cut the guy some slack...he did try...fate has not been on his side...yes but he is by no means perfect and makes his share of mistakes- such as wearing the "eye sore" engagement ring, taking so much time to tell Ovi and not being able to just make Purvi listen...But he will realize one day (the hope is) that in the process of not trying to hurt his Manav Uncle and Ovi, his childhood friend he is hurting Purvi and their love...Purvi- she also does not understand- that she is so in love with Arjun and this unbearable hurt is coming out like the lashing we have seen...

we all are hurting and miss the magical moments of ARVI...

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

Sparkler

+ 3

Posted: 13 years ago

#69

Dear Janhvi,

There will be nothing much to catch. Teju brings Ovi to the Karanjakar residence and they all have a good time, with Archana too having dropped in by chance.

Purvi looks ostentatiously sad. It is obviously meant for the audience, so that they cannot mistake what she is feeling. Normally, people who are in the dumps try to be extra lively, feverishly so, in company, and one can see that something is wrong. Here, it stares you in the face. She also leaves a full plate of kanda poha and her tea untouched, to drive home the point.

Archana follows her to her room and probes her as to what is wrong. Purvi is on the verge of telling her mother - what? That Arjun loves her and not Ovi, and that she too loves him? Where is the need for this after she has shown Arjun the door? To confess all this to Archana now will only cause her unnecessary pain. It is not as though Purvi is seeking her help to iron things out for her and Arjun. It is all as confusing as ever.

Purvi's revelation,whatever it was supposed to be, is stillborn,for there is a call (the phone call as a plot device is becoming VERY repetitive) from an angry Manav, who has been briefed by Sachin that Archana has inveigled his ewe lamb Ovi into visiting their place (and staying there overnight as well, though Manav, luckily does not know that).

Ovi is very reluctant to do so at first (probably worried about the bathroom), but agrees in the end. She takes Purvi's share of the room she and Teju use, and Purvi offers to sleep in the hall. I thought that reflected the general trend of PR these days.

In the precap, Manav is yelling at Archana on a wet and windy road.

For me, the nice thing today was that dear Arjun was absent and I did not have to listen to Hai rabba, mainu kee kara? yet again, or watch him look terminally desperate in close up. He does that sort of stuff very well, but again, there is only so much of studied melancholy that one can take, especially when one sees that it is largely self-inflicted by a damned fool who seems to have forgotten how to assert himself.

Now for a lovely, long ArVi free weekend. And to think that as recently as a week ago, I used to look forward to Monday!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1
Dear Shyamala,
First of my apologies for yesterday's response written on the plane with my phone auto correcting every word!! I will re- read the garbled mess I wrote as well as your responses to me as well as everyone else by tonight. Hope to catch Tanya's update this morning!
Happy PRing until then!

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bee5

@bee5

Rocker

Posted: 13 years ago

#70

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Archana follows her to her room and probes her as to what is wrong. Purvi is on the verge of telling her mother - what? That Arjun loves her and not Ovi, and that she too loves him? Where is the need for this after she has shown Arjun the door? To confess all this to Archana now will only cause her unnecessary pain. It is not as though Purvi is seeking her help to iron things out for her and Arjun. It is all as confusing as ever.

Purvi's revelation,whatever it was supposed to be, is stillborn,for there is a call (the phone call as a plot device is becoming VERY repetitive) from an angry Manav, who has been briefed by Sachin that Archana has inveigled his ewe lamb Ovi into visiting their place (and staying there overnight as well, though Manav, luckily does not know that).

Sorry to butt in between the conversation, Shyamala.

And more so, this is just a speculation from my side -

Remember Purvi's resolve to not tell Archana about her relationship with Arjun? So, today when Purvi was in fact on the verge was telling Archana and getting interrupted (yeah repetitive 🥱), I think she would have told the fact using the fictitious Shrutika. Purvi is clearly breaking apart. She might have had the plan to state it as Shrutika's predicament and ask for advise. But anyway that moment was interrupted and Archana had to go away in the night itself. Not sure when again Archana will prod Purvi again to make her tell .. [By the time she gets back after her meeting with Manav (argument then romantic moments in the rain), she will be in a totally different state of mind].

Now that Purvi had asked Arjun not to talk or call her and we saw in yday's episode that Arjun gives up trying to call her, so now the ball is in Purvi's court. She might have to make the next move. This all will take time, unless they introduce someone to do something and bring the two face-2-face.

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