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Posted: 11 years ago
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@The Watcher - Again citation, would a different translation and version be ever considered or just one book holds the testimony of truth.
Draupadi never forgave her husbands too, she made them and taunted them endlessly. They had to fight her honor like Bhim to redeem somewhat for their silence. But did Karna make upto her ever? His dialogue to Kanha in your book too doesn't matter simply because it was not directed to the right person.

Nobody takes away from the glory of Karna even if we disagree of his portrayal.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: charminggenie


Did you even read the citation mate?, please read the underined the part, Bhima broke their body parts when they were children

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: charminggenie

@The Watcher - Again citation, would a different translation and version be ever considered or just one book holds the testimony of truth.

Draupadi never forgave her husbands too, she made them and taunted them endlessly. They had to fight her honor like Bhim to redeem somewhat for their silence. But did Karna make upto her ever? His dialogue to Kanha in your book too doesn't matter simply because it was not directed to the right person.

Nobody takes away from the glory of Karna even if we disagree of his portrayal.


Different translations would obviously be considered, but then again it should be a translation and not retelling or any authors work. And KMG is not my book, it is mostly used in this forum to settle on an argument. These translations ( Provided below ) are considered to be in the top most tier.

  1. Geeta press' translation
  2. Kisari Mohan Ganguli' translation ( which I quoted )
  3. Critical edition translated by Bibek Debory.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I agree with the highlighted part. I acknowledge that Karna may have felt guilt later on, but he did nothing to work towards repentance like the Pandavas did. I read a comment earlier that said the Pandavas "muttered some vows" but how it did not absolve their sin. I agree, it did not absolve their sin, but at least they did something about it! If they had not even uttered their vows, I would have lost complete respect for the Pandavas. The vows showed that they repented their mistake and wanted to somehow make it better by punishing Draupadi's culprits. They lost that chance in the dyut sabha from their own mistake, but at least they did something about it later on.

The same Yudhisthir whom people hate for staking his brothers saved their life during vanvaas, when Yama Dharmaraja kills them to test Yudhisthir. He may have staked them earlier on, but they owe their life to him during vanvaas. He lived a very simple life without any royal comfort to repent everything he did. There are excerpts of Draupadi herself feeling sorrow for the simple life he lived.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@The watcher - I did read your citation - like I said should we take one book as the end all? But then you won't buy my citations would you?
Hence I asked if logically you see it fit that 1 Bhim could have bullied 100 other kids ?

Still if he was bully , he was very wrong, his guru , Hastinapur King and mother should have been reported , yet there were many forms of punishment , killing him in such a manner is not one of them

Watcher- there is a world beyond the books that are used to settle arguments. I am sure we both be lost in the count of them . So why cite them when they themselves are not authenticated for truth- which perhaps no book would ever get. Hence I asked you , logically,how do you make sense of the bullying? .
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheWatcher


Draupadi forgave her husbands because they were their husbands, those times were not the times when a Lady can leave her husbands. Epic's Draupadi would have no way forgave Karna and Duryodhana, she was fiery and not a delicate darling as shown in Star plus' Mahabharata

Karna did repetnt, the citation provided by Ritika (riti4u) confirms it.


Karna didn't repent. He just felt sorry, but he didn't do anything to repent, did he? There's a difference between feeling sorry and doing something to repent.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: charminggenie

@The watcher - I did read your citation - like I said should be take one book as the end all? But then you won't buy my citations would you?

Hence I asked if logically you see it fit that 1 Bhim could have bullied 100 other kids ?

Still if he was bully , he was very wrong, his guru , Hastinapur King and mother should have been reported , yet there were many forms of punishment , killing him in such a manner is not one of them .



When a logic can say Draupadi and his brother came out of the fire, 5 god came to bless Kunti for a child, endless saree can appear, why not Bhima bully 100 children of Gandhari, he was the son of the wind god, when he was granted to Kunti - she dropped the infant Bhima from a cliff and Bhima broke a stone when he fell.

So yes, Bhima bullying 99 Duryodhan's brothers is very much possible. As I already said - please provide citation from whichever translation you like, but be sure that it is translation and not a retelling.

Originally posted by: charminggenie


Watcher- there is a world beyond the books that are used to settle arguments. I am sure we both be lost in the count of them . So why cite them when they themselves are not authenticated for truth- which perhaps no book would ever get. Hence I asked you , logically,how do you make sense of the bullying? .


So, which book to cite?, we would not be able to argue on any point of if we don't consider any book authentic.



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Karna did repetnt, the citation provided by Ritika (riti4u) confirms it.

Karna didn't repent. He just felt sorry, but he didn't do anything to repent, did he? There's a difference between feeling sorry and doing something to repent.

But didn't Karna utter the words condeming Draupadi being the wife of 5; questioning her moral code... or was that also a folklore? For me, that utterance is equal to doing something wrong. Words uttered to demean someone is Adharm.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheWatcher


When a logic can say Draupadi and his brother came out of the fire, 5 god came to bless Kunti for a child, endless saree can appear, why not Bhima bully 100 children of Gandhari, he was the son of the wind god, when he was granted to Kunti - she dropped the infant Bhima from a cliff and Bhima broke a stone when he fell.

So yes, Bhima bullying 99 Duryodhan's brothers is very much possible. As I already said - please provide citation from whichever translation you like, but be sure that it is translation and not a retelling.

Have I asked or presented the above stated examples like Draupadi as counter points. but for citation I recommend you read C raja Gopalachari - he is eminent enough to be recognized as a serious author and please feel free to disagree as well because unlike you I don't hold these words as the sermons of truth.

In the end the kid Duryi with his brothers were able to better Bhim right, the son of Wind? But why plot to murder him, why not just let him suffer and be fearful? Was Duri not motivated to kill him so that he can best Yudi and Arjun and claim himself as Crown Prince? Did they not bully Yudhister , Nakul and Sahdev, could Bhim's behavior not be a revolt against the treatment his brothers were getting from kauravas. ( read C G Rajagopalachari ).

Rest This is Karna's thread. Lets continue with his story instead.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheWatcher



When a logic can say Draupadi and his brother came out of the fire, 5 god came to bless Kunti for a child, endless saree can appear, why not Bhima bully 100 children of Gandhari, he was the son of the wind god, when he was granted to Kunti - she dropped the infant Bhima from a cliff and Bhima broke a stone when he fell.

So yes, Bhima bullying 99 Duryodhan's brothers is very much possible. As I already said - please provide citation from whichever translation you like, but be sure that it is translation and not a retelling.


So now we're debating on the logic of believing the spiritual elements of Mahabharat? 😲 In case people have forgotten, it is a purana about Gods and their incarnations, so I don't see how it's so illogical that there are spiritual elements in the story. This is the problem that arises when people who read Mahabharat as a fiction debate with people who read Mahabharat as a scripture. I feel there should be two sets of debates, one for the fiction readers and one for the spiritual readers, or else people can never agree.

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