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Posted: 11 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: adoremevirgo



i only want to say one thing...this whole thing of karna siding the kauravas and insulting draupadi wud not hv hapnd had he been told about his birth...it was not as if noone knew it...kunti knew who karna was but never said...i agree not knowing the truth doesnt gv him the right to insult a woman...but then like i said it was all about the circumstances karna was in all his life...


You know, there are many people in life who have a difficult past. In the Mahabharat itself, so many characters come from hardship, but that doesn't mean their mistakes are forgivable and should be overlooked. Karna is not the only character who had a difficult life. Difficulty comes in many different shades and many of the characters suffered in different ways, but in the end, it's the choices that make that shows who they really are.

I really love this one quote from Harry Potter, when Dumbledore says, "It's our choices that make us what we truly are, far more than our abilities."

So it doesn't matter who was the greatest archer or mace fighter. In the end of the day, they all were punished for their sins, so where did they samarthya take them? No where.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@TM,
It's ok that you read Mahabharat as pure fiction, that's your choice, but it's also important not to hurt religious sentiments because for the majority of Hindus, Mahabharat is a religious scripture, for it gave birth to the most important scripture of our religion, the Bhagawat Gita.

Anyway, I am done with this topic. It was a nice discussion while it lasted, but really, it's getting so redundant, especially since the show is nearing its end.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Not again...just not again...
Every time a post on Karna is made, people start dragging Arjun, then Lord Krishna n then Draupadi...

This same topic is being discussed again n again n again...
Yes Karna faced insult in many places, but in the end he died like a hero n got the glory he ever wanted...
But this same debate again n again n wat i hate even more is dragging Draupadi everywhere...
One mistake by a 14 year old girl, for refusing to marry a man...Wat a crime!!

Any topic with a Karna in its title gets opened with a certain intention, then turns into a war zone n then finally gets closed by the mods...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


You know, there are many people in life who have a difficult past. In the Mahabharat itself, so many characters come from hardship, but that doesn't mean their mistakes are forgivable and should be overlooked. Karna is not the only character who had a difficult life. Difficulty comes in many different shades and many of the characters suffered in different ways, but in the end, it's the choices that make that shows who they really are.

I really love this one quote from Harry Potter, when Dumbledore says, "It's our choices that make us what we truly are, far more than our abilities."

So it doesn't matter who was the greatest archer or mace fighter. In the end of the day, they all were punished for their sins, so where did they samarthya take them? No where.



i really dont know how to make my point more clear...i am NOT defending karna's evil deeds...my liking him has got nothing to do with wat he said to draupadi or wat he did with the pandavas...

i like him because wen he came to fight with arjuna in the battlefield...he was already burdened with a hundred curses...he was aware that it wud not be possible for him to defeat arjuna...first because krishna is with him...second because he knew at the rite moment he wud forget his learning due to a previous curse...also his chariot will sink that too because of a curse...also krishna made him use his most powerful weapon already...wen karna came to fight arjuna he knew he was facing death and no way he can turn around the table even though he is a great warrior...this is the ONLY reason that i like him and i call him a tragic hero...

leave aside everything that has hapnd before the yudh...i picture it this way...for the curses and because of help from krishna arjun won...if arjun and karna wud hv got the chance to fight fairly widout anyone's help and widout karna hving any prev curses then who wud hv won...that is my question...and since i can never find the answer to this question so my heart goes out to karna...i repeat this is my ONLY reason for liking karna...

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: amritat

Not again...just not again...

Every time a post on Karna is made, people start dragging Arjun, then Lord Krishna n then Draupadi...

This same topic is being discussed again n again n again...
Yes Karna faced insult in many places, but in the end he died like a hero n got the glory he ever wanted...
But this same debate again n again n wat i hate even more is dragging Draupadi everywhere...
One mistake by a 14 year old girl, for refusing to marry a man...Wat a crime!!

Any topic with a Karna in its title gets opened with a certain intention, then turns into a war zone n then finally gets closed by the mods...



so rite...i opened this thread for discussing karna...but i can see ppl started thinking i opened this thread because i hate the pandavas and because i am judging krishna...most ridiculous to think that i will judge God...

i only said i love karna...i dont know where i hv said that i like or dislike any other character...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i think i hv already repeated a hundred times in this thread that i made this topic only for karna...but it has been concluded i hate pandavas and krishna...
so its better i stop visiting this thread...let ppl interpret as they like...i will no more waste my words...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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People here say Pandavas did rependence of their staking Droupadi and their inaction during their 13 year exile ...

But yudishtir almost at the end of exile asks Droupadi to bear with Keechak's molestation ...

So that means no repentence , no guilt nothing from yudishtitr side ... and he is asking Droupadi to go through second round of VH for his own selfish means .. his first inaction was for his individual dharma , second inaction was to guard their anonymity ...

When Droupadi was going through all these troubles , Arjun was enjoying his good time with Uthara and co ...
Actually Arjun wanted to marry Uthara at the end of exile , it is due to Krishna's intervention that she ends up marrying Abhimanyu ...

Only Bhima has been a dutiful and responsible husband to Droupadi...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Its alright dear...😊
U see, in the past 8 months and more, we have grown really sensitive to our favourite characters, or atleast i have.

India Forums is a decent place where most people debate decently. But if u visit other places, u will find people abusing each other to defend their favourite.
RamKiJanaki said that there r many people who think that Draupadi deserved to be molested bcoz sge rejected Karna. Believe it or not but its true.

In other sites, people actually abuse other characters to defend their own n its bcoz of this that some of us have grown sensitive about this kind of topics. Maybe that is y some people have expressed opposing opinions in ur thread.

Anyway, u seem to be a fan of Karna...well i am kind of neutral wen it comes to him, with a little bit of inclination towards disliking him n i admit that...n i have reasons for that...
I think Karna was a great hero with some major flaws...
Some people relate more to his greatness n so become his fan.
I on the other hand relate more to his flaws n so cant really love him like many people here.
Maybe its bcoz I am a huge fan of Draupadi...n since Karna insulted her...so I too tend to focus on his flaws more than his greatness. But at the same time I think he deserves respect as a warrior n also for some of his acts...

Anyway, at the end of the day, we all have the right to like whichever character we want to...😊

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheWatcher



Even after his Kavach and Kundal was removed, Krishna called him a superior ( If not equal) warrior to Arjuna and told Arjuna that Karna cannot be killed while he has his weapons in his hand.

Actually Karna sparing the 4 brothers shows that he somewhat loved his brothers, why did he give a promise which wasnt even asked?, simple answer - he developed a soft corner for his brothers. No elder brother would like to kill his brothers. As for Arjuna - Karna already said that no-one in the three worlds can harm him while Krishna is with him.


agree but wasnt that love for his brothers going against his friendhip of duryodhan. ive also read he knew somewhere duryodhan wud be killed too but dint try to save his friend by stopping the war by making him understand. he did decide to support his friend til the end but did he try to do what was right for his friend.. acc to me karna was very human so were other characters in mahabharat inc pandavas who staked their own wife n got angry afterwards n wowed to take revenge
Edited by naq5 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: amritat

Its alright dear...😊

U see, in the past 8 months and more, we have grown really sensitive to our favourite characters, or atleast i have.

India Forums is a decent place where most people debate decently. But if u visit other places, u will find people abusing each other to defend their favourite.
RamKiJanaki said that there r many people who think that Draupadi deserved to be molested bcoz sge rejected Karna. Believe it or not but its true.

In other sites, people actually abuse other characters to defend their own n its bcoz of this that some of us have grown sensitive about this kind of topics. Maybe that is y some people have expressed opposing opinions in ur thread.

Anyway, u seem to be a fan of Karna...well i am kind of neutral wen it comes to him, with a little bit of inclination towards disliking him n i admit that...n i have reasons for that...
I think Karna was a great hero with some major flaws...
Some people relate more to his greatness n so become his fan.
I on the other hand relate more to his flaws n so cant really love him like many people here.
Maybe its bcoz I am a huge fan of Draupadi...n since Karna insulted her...so I too tend to focus on his flaws more than his greatness. But at the same time I think he deserves respect as a warrior n also for some of his acts...

Anyway, at the end of the day, we all have the right to like whichever character we want to...😊



@bold...i really dont mind at all if ppl express opposing opinions to mine...if that wud hv been the case i wud hv kept my feelings to myself and not shared it in an open forum...here i cannot expect unanimous votes...like i hv the right to say my view so do others...if karna haters joined this thread and started defending their views i wud hv been quite glad...since that wud be discussion on the topic for which i opened this thread...also opposing views help me broaden my perspective so i welcome them...

but wat bothered me is that i hv been criticized for judging krishna...how can i ever do that in my wildest dreams...and also i hv been criticized for supporting karna's insulting draupadi...being a woman myself how can i ever do that...i dont know y these ideas came up in anyone's mind wen all i said that i like karna and he is a tragic hero...wen did i say pandavas r evil and draupadi deserved wat she got (it is another thing that in this thread karmaphal has been mentioned many times...does that mean draupadi was disrobed because it was her karmaphal...but then that is not my topic here but others hv started this in this thread)...

and i really dont care if anyone thinks draupadi deserved to be insulted...my issue is that fingers has been pointed at me for the same wen i never said any such thing...whether india forums is a decent place or not i wont go into that...i am not new here...i hv my own experiences...i make posts here only to gv my opinion but everytime i forget that if my opinions wont match with others then i will be attacked...


Edited by adoremevirgo - 11 years ago

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