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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: amritat

Yes. But that Rangbhoomi was the starting point.

After Rangbhoomi, we see the Pandavas, getting embroiled in their own problems, getting involved with women, building their own kingdom, etc. We don't find them bothering or conspiring against Karna or Duryodhan of their own accord. But soon after the Rangbhoomi, we tsee he Lakshagriha plot happening. Maybe, this is y, I like the Pandavas more, despite knowing their flaws well.
I don't know, whether the stories have been altered or rewritten or not, but whatever is left of Mahabharat, in that, we don't find the Pandavas as grown-ups disturbing or conspiring against the Kauravas or Karna, unnecessarily or of their own accord. They seemed to have been too embroiled with their own problems and fiery women. 😆


You have written my thoughts exactly. It's not that the Pandavas did not have flaws. It's that they were patient with the Kauravas for a long time until even their limits were tested. It was Duryodhan who had unnecessary created enmity with them, spurred by Shakuni and Dhritarastra, and as Duryodhan's friend, Karna too was hated. It wasn't the rangbhoomi incident alone, but years of facing injustice by Duryodhan and seeing Karna as his biggest supporter.
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Posted: 11 years ago
For me the funniest parts were:


1)After all the drama/revelations and Kunti calling Karna her son repeatedly...Sahdev (or was it Nakul) asks her "Kya Angraj Karna aapke putra hai mata?" 👏👏

2) Radha calling Kunti a crocodile. (I literally died laughing)

3) Ek Maa ki Santane, Do Bhai Anjane

4) Radha Maa's OTT acting and fighting over Karna over his almost-dead body



Edited by bloodline - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


You have written my thoughts exactly. It's not that the Pandavas did not have flaws. It's that they were patient with the Kauravas for a long time until even their limits were tested. It was Duryodhan who had unnecessary created enmity with them, spurred by Shakuni and Dhritarastra, and as Duryodhan's friend, Karna too was hated. It wasn't the rangbhoomi incident alone, but years of facing injustice by Duryodhan and seeing Karna as his biggest supporter.

Agreed. I guess, this is human psychology.
We tend to treat friends of enemies as enemies too.
And maybe, this is the reason y the Pandavas disregarded Karna even more, apart from ofcourse the very-much prevalent caste factor.
Something emotions are very subtle, and can only be felt through personal experiences.
And no amount of citations from KMG or Critical Edition can explain it.
I guess, that's how the equation was between the Pandavas and Karna.
They need not be enemies.
But the Rangbhoomi, Karna's challenge that Arjun treated as an insult, Bhima's taunt to Karna, Duryodhan's friendship, constant company of Duryodhan and Shakuni, all these culminated to their enmity.
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Posted: 11 years ago
By the way, I would like to say this, that somehow, I really like Vrushali as a character.
Her entry was irritating, but gradually her character matured a lot, as she became Karna's wife.
Honestly, I don't know how the real Vrushali was, and I guess no one knows. Whatever idea, people have of Vrushali is through various novels, which are only fiction.
However, I really like this Vrushali, as portrayed by Star Plus. I know, she's a Mukut hater 😆, but seriously, her characterisation is decent.
She is a support system for her husband. But when she does not approve of the wrong company, that her husband keeps, she stays away from that company with dignity, and continues to live a simple life. 👏
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: bloodline

For me the funniest parts were:



1)After all the drama/revelations and Kunti calling Karna her son repeatedly...Sahdev (or was it Nakul) asks her "Kya Angraj Karna aapke putra hai mata?" 👏👏

2) Radha calling Kunti a crocodile. (I literally died laughing)

3) Ek Maa ki Santane, Do Bhai Anjane

4) Radha Maa's OTT acting and fighting over Karna over his almost-dead body

1. Was Nakul's dialogue but Sahdev stole it😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
Anjana

Sahdev was truly sleeping during the entire convo
He takes his IF pet name very seriously
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: amritat

By the way, I would like to say this, that somehow, I really like Vrushali as a character.

Her entry was irritating, but gradually her character matured a lot, as she became Karna's wife.
Honestly, I don't know how the real Vrushali was, and I guess no one knows. Whatever idea, people have of Vrushali is through various novels, which are only fiction.
However, I really like this Vrushali, as portrayed by Star Plus. I know, she's a Mukut hater 😆, but seriously, her characterisation is decent.
She is a support system for her husband. But when she does not approve of the wrong company, that her husband keeps, she stays away from that company with dignity, and continues to live a simple life. 👏


I agree! Starbharat's portrayal of Vrushali is really nice. They have given her the most mature portrayal I've seen thus far in the television/film industry (after her annoying entry, lol). I really like how she speaks her mind with her husband while being respectful (which many women in this show have not done as per dwapar yug standards). She does not approve of his friends, but instead of causing a scene and embarrassing her husband, she simply stays out of their way. 👏 She kind of reminds me of Sulochana (Indrajit's wife) from the Ramayana. Sulochana too knew her father-in-law's war against Lord Ram was a doomed cause, but she gave her husband the support he needed to be able to fight to his full potential.
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Posted: 11 years ago
I had promised to myself that I would either stop watching the show or ranting about it. And here I am breaking my pran😆.
Because I am yet to see a more cringeworthy episode that what was dished out yesterday. Did no one in the team realise that it was not turning out as they had perhaps visualised? They were clever and perceptive when they gauged the dramatic and emotional potential of the sequence. A man uniting with his family in his final moments, hatred and animosity dissolving, some things left unsaid, some said to prick forever...handled with subtlety..distortion or not this would have been beautiful. But what a laugh riot it was yesterday. Every one seemed as if they had lost it for a moment😆.

And I now feel that they should have stuck to the original here and the creativity should have ended with the time freeze. They had handled it so beautifully during the time freeze-and had got this point of the manner of his death proving his mettle across-and Karn had a very fulfilled smile which spoke more than words. that seemed like the pinnacle of Karn's life(okay,⭐️Karn to be precise). He had just had some sort of epiphany, he had got his life long 'samrthya' problem solved by Krishna himself and he had managed to give an endearing smile to his brother cum enemy. Thats it-perfect time to die! But unfortunately someone in the writing team wanted him to see and (suffer?😉) more. So he saw quarrelling mothers, stupefied brothers and even uttered some strange lines.

I cannot forgive BAD SCRIPTING. Hoping for some redemption today, hope he is given good parting lines😊.

Edit-I had problems with the timing of Karn's dialogue with Arjun about 'chal' but then thanks to the discussion here-I realised it could either be a loosening up moment between brothers or a perfectly in-character utterance. In either case my perception then seems incorrect😆.
Edited by Sadhana_pr - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
@Sadhna_pr- I think that line was more of a joke from elder brother to his younger bro...he was just trying to lighten his burden is what I thought. Let's see how that scene continues today😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
Sadhana

I am watching for the sheer comedy of it all! ⭐️Karna told his Mata Kunti with all his bros listening not to reveal the secret which could ruin her reputation😆 Like some 70s jilted lover, singing sad songs at GF's wedding with the new husband looking on


⭐️Kunti and Radhamaa doing a Whose Baby Is It Any Way in front of the dying man😲😆


⭐️Pandavs falling in bromance with ⭐️Jyeshtest in a few seconds


I think tomorrow we are supposed to see Kunti singing a lullaby😆


PS - That line from Karna to Arjun was about the only thing I found sort of in character


PPS - The poignancy of the Karna-Pandav thing comes from the fact that they never got to connect as brothers. In an attempt to give the story closure, they made it less heart-string-tugging
Edited by AnuMP - 11 years ago

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