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Surya Sundarraj Sriram

@Surya_krsnbhakt

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Posted: 11 years ago

#121

Originally posted by: akhl
What if we did not know Krishna's answers to Arjun?
Suppose that we knew about Arjun not willing to fight and the reasons given by him. But we did not know what answers Krishna gave. We did not even know that Krishna wanted Arjun to fight.
Then were we going to think that Arjun's sentiments were misplaced? I know this is a hypothetical question. But please try to answer.

One word. Chaos.

Justification: Arjuna would not fight. Krishna will be quiet. Pandavas will lose. Kauravas will win. Chaos.

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Angeala

@angeala95

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Posted: 11 years ago

#122

Krishna today blowing my mind!! 👏

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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+ 2

Posted: 11 years ago

#123

Originally posted by: mnx12
Let's start with the most popular shloka,
Chapter 2, shloka 47

KARAMANYAVADHIKARASTHE MAA PHALESHU KADACHANA
MAA KARMA PHALA HETUR BHURMA TE SANAGOSTVAKARMANI

You have the right to work only
but never to its fruits.
Let not the fruits of action be your motive.
Nor let your attachment be to inaction.

Q: Guys, what is your understanding about this shloka?

Well this sholka was very confusing to me as like many others I had thought how is it possible. But it is possible if you love what you do. Just think about all the activities you love doing. Do you worry about the outcome of those activites or do you think what good it will come out if you do this activity. No you dont.

E.g When you are sharing food with your friends

Reading your favourite book

watching your favourite movie

studying your favourite subject. Just think yourself doing this. We just do the action without thinking about reaction.

When do we think about reaction when we are forced to do something, when we dont like doing something but have to do because we need to achieve something. Remember studying the subject you hated. But you need to study as you need to pass the subject. The only thought will be somehow I need to pass.

So the meaning of this sloka is to enjoy what we do. Approach any action with love and you will be able to perform it without thinking about reaction. In other words do your duty with love, understand your duty well and be impartial in performing duty.

Especially when dealing with relations we put up a lot of adharma fearing reaction. This is also a reminder to stand against adharma is your duty and you have to accept and do it without thinking about reaction.

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Alakh

@Autumn_Rose

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+ 4

Posted: 11 years ago

#124

Originally posted by: Medha.S
That is Shloka 7 of chapter 4.

YADA YADA HI DHARMASYA GLANIRBHAVATI BHARATA
ABHYUTTANAM ADHARMASYA TADAATMANAAM SRUJAMYAHAM.

O Bharata, whenever there is decline of righteousness and rise of evil, I manifest Myself.

I had this in school😊

I also had a poem in Hindi.. It was from Bhagwad Gita.. It was beautiful.. The chariot is the body, the lagaam is the mind.. it was so good.. I wish someone would put it here. I was 11 years old when I studied this.. I'm not exactly a Hindu (Kinda hard to explain). We do believe in Hinduism be we don't do idol worship etc.. Oh I still love that poem it was beautifully written.. I need to hunt for my 7th grade hindi literature text book.. CBSe.. anyone?😆

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macjack7

@macjack7

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Posted: 11 years ago

#125

Yesterday shri Krishna stated he was Vishuji brahmaji and ramji.

Does this mean they are all avatars of shri Krishna and he is the almighty lord and no one is above him?

Views would be appreciated.

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daenerysnow

@daenerysnow

Inactive

Posted: 11 years ago

#126

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
Well this sholka was very confusing to me as like many others I had thought how is it possible. But it is possible if you love what you do. Just think about all the activities you love doing. Do you worry about the outcome of those activites or do you think what good it will come out if you do this activity. No you dont.
E.g When you are sharing food with your friends

Reading your favourite book

watching your favourite movie

studying your favourite subject. Just think yourself doing this. We just do the action without thinking about reaction.

When do we think about reaction when we are forced to do something, when we dont like doing something but have to do because we need to achieve something. Remember studying the subject you hated. But you need to study as you need to pass the subject. The only thought will be somehow I need to pass.

So the meaning of this sloka is to enjoy what we do. Approach any action with love and you will be able to perform it without thinking about reaction. In other words do your duty with love, understand your duty well and be impartial in performing duty.

Especially when dealing with relations we put up a lot of adharma fearing reaction. This is also a reminder to stand against adharma is your duty and you have to accept and do it without thinking about reaction.

The philosophy within the Gita cannot be more relevant to us as we face our own existence

In acting alone do we surpass the void of nothingness or darkness that we find ourselves in, actions are dictated by themselves in all sincerity and devotion not the 'fruit' which may mat-

erialise and more often than not one sees the world succumbing to that fruit'

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AdiSharma

@AdiSharma

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Posted: 11 years ago

#127

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

I had this in school😊

I also had a poem in Hindi.. It was from Bhagwad Gita.. It was beautiful.. The chariot is the body, the lagaam is the mind.. it was so good.. I wish someone would put it here. I was 11 years old when I studied this.. I'm not exactly a Hindu (Kinda hard to explain). We do believe in Hinduism be we don't do idol worship etc.. Oh I still love that poem it was beautifully written.. I need to hunt for my 7th grade hindi literature text book.. CBSe.. anyone?😆

Haaah CBSE yes😊 I think it was from the sanskrit text. I dont remember if it is a poem/shloka v but remember the expanation given. And the chariot allegory is actually from the Katha upanishad but the related is also mentioned in the Bhagavad Geeta

Chapter 6. Sankhya-yoga Verse 34

cancalam hi manah krsna
pramathi balavad drdham
tasyaham nigraham manye
vayor iva su-duskaram

For the mind is restless, turbulent, obstinate and very strong, O Krishna, and to subdue it is, it seems to me, more difficult than controlling the wind.

The mind controls the sensory horses with the reins (lagam) of knowledge. But when the senses break free they pollute the mind and opaque the vision. Now temptation takes over and we start following the senses mindlessly. Senses are like unreined horses which run in different directions continuously thus dragging the chariot of our body. The journey of life comes to an end in the foolish pursuits of these senses

Katha Upanishad (1.3.3-4,9)

atmanam rathinam viddhi sariram ratham eva ca

buddhim tu sarathim viddhi manah pragraham eva ca

indriyani hayan ahur visayams tesu gocaran

atmendriya-mano-yuktam bhoktety ahur manisinah

indriyani hayan ahur
visayams tesu gocaran
atmendriya-mano-yuktam
bhoktety ahur manisinah

Here the soul or atma is the passenger of the chariot, the materiel body is the chariot, intuition is the chariot driver, and mind is the reins (lagam) and senses are the horses. Thus it is mind which control the senses and intuition which controls the mind, and above all is the soul. Those whose mind is undisciplined, their senses are out of control like the wild horses of a chariot driver. It is therefore important to constantly train and thereby control our mind to make the right decisions. This can be achieved in the company of good people, reading good literature, doing good for society etc

Edited by ...Aditi... - 11 years ago

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varaali

@varaali

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+ 2

Posted: 11 years ago

#128

Originally posted by: macjack7
Yesterday shri Krishna stated he was Vishuji brahmaji and ramji.
Does this mean they are all avatars of shri Krishna and he is the almighty lord and no one is above him?
Views would be appreciated.

No, it certainly doesn't mean that. Sorry to be blunt, but your understanding is all wrong

I haven't seen the episode yet, but in all likelihood it must have a segment from the 10th chapter- Vibhuti Yoga.

This is a wonderful chapter and no matter how many times you read it, it gives you goosebumps every single time.

Lord Krishna says that amongst the weapon wielders he is Rama, amongst the war commanders he is Skanda, amongst the Rudras, he is Shiva etc etc.

Here Lord Krishna refers to himself as the Paramatma- the Supreme being present everywhere, in everything. Wherever something is glorious, excellent, it is only a manifestation of his own greatness.

That doesn't mean no one is above him. Rather, He is present everywhere. It doesn't mean the Shiva, Kartikeya etc are his avataras. Rather He is present in all of them.

When such a merger takes place, there is no sense of duality. All the Supreme energies synergize into One Entity. In such a situation, Krishna = Shiva; Shiva = Krishna.

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TheWatcher

@TheWatcher

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#129

Actually, thanks for bringing that up.

Yesterday Star Krishna said that - he is Brahma, Vishnu and Maheshwara. I knew that they may add this line of him being the Trimurti, because ISKCON tradition are based on this.

My question being - Did Lord Krishna 'really' say this in Geeta?

But the concept of ParaBrahman was endorsed by Adi Shankara.

Edited by TheWatcher - 11 years ago

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AdiSharma

@AdiSharma

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Posted: 11 years ago

#130

Originally posted by: macjack7
Yesterday shri Krishna stated he was Vishuji brahmaji and ramji.
Does this mean they are all avatars of shri Krishna and he is the almighty lord and no one is above him?
Views would be appreciated.

Krishna & Ram are the avatars of lord Vishnu. There have been 10 avatars of lord vishnu so far. Vishnu himself is not the avatar. He is the source.

Brahma, Vishnu & Shiva are the holy trinity of gods. Brahma is the creator, Vishnu the sustainer & Shiva the destroyer. Only Lord Vishnu takes avatar time & again on the earth to establish dharma.

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