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Posted: 11 years ago
@leadnitrate: beautifully explained... i didnt know the story abt Rishi Bharata and deer..is he the same rishi(disguised as a deer) who was killed by Pandu? thanks.
@mnx12: agree hands down. Its practice..its struggle that clears the fundamental darkness and reveals the truth...the Supreme truth is One, but the layers of darkness shrouding it varies for each person..its thickness..its density..etc and accordingly one has to take the steps to curb it...my Sensei says, Struggle is nothing but a battle against our inertia. :)




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Posted: 11 years ago
Pandu killee kindim muni, who was mating disguised as deer.
This one is way before, he was also known as jarbharat, as he wouldn't indulge in any activity lest he bind himself in Maya, after he wss born after the deer lives. U can Google about story of jar bharat.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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And then "hear O Arjuna of my many forms. I am the beginning, the middle, the end of everything"

Of Adityas I am Vishnu, of lamps I am the Sun; of planets the Moon, Maricha of the Maruts.

Of Vedas I am the Sama, Indra of the Devas; of senses I am mind, consciousness in the living.

Of Rudras I am Sankara, Kubera of the Yakshas; of Vasus I am Agni, Meru of the mountain peaks.

Of priests I am Brihaspati, Skanda of the generals; of waters I am the ocean, Bhrigu among the rishis.

Of speech I am AUM, japam of the offerings; and of ranges, the Himalaya.

Of trees I am the Aswattha, Narada of the seers; of gandharvas I am Chitraratha, Kapila among the perfect.

Of horses I am Ucchaisravas, nectar-born, Airavata of elephants; of weapons I am the Vajra, Kamadhenu among cows.

Of lovers I am Kama, Vasuki among serpents.

Of Nagas I am Ananta, Varuna among the marine beings; of the manes I am Aryaman, Yama among judges. Of titans I am Prahlada, I am time of measures;

of beasts I am the lion, Garuda among birds. Of purifiers I am the wind, Rama among kshatriyas. Of fish I am the whale, Ganga of rivers. Of creations, I am the Beginning, the End and the Middle, Arjuna; of sciences I am the science of the spirit, the dialectic for debaters. I am death that devours everything and the source of all, all that is yet to come. Fame I am among the feminine beings and prosperity, speech, memory, intelligence, firmness and patience, too.

Of hymns I am Brihatsaman, the Gayatri of mantras; Mrigasirsa of the months, of seasons I am spring. I am the dice-play of deceivers, I am the splendor of the splendid; karma am I and the punya of the good."

Krishna smiled, "Of the Vrishnis I am Krishna, Arjuna of the Pandavas; of the munis I am Vyasa, Usanas among poets. Of kings I am their scepter, the policy of conquerors; of secrets I am the silence, their wisdom of those that know. And, more, I am the seed of all beings, for nothing which is exists without me. But what do you want to know all this for? There is no end to me, my friend: I support the universe with an atom of myself."

And Krishna stood transformed before his bhakta: speaking from many mouths, seeing with numberless eyes, carrying countless weapons, wearing divine raiment and garlands, heavenly perfumes, of endless visions and marvels, irradiant, boundless. His face was turned everywhere, the nebulae were his ornaments. If a thousand suns rose together into the sky, their light might approach the splendor of that Being. It was the vision he had shown a shadow of in the sabha of Hastinapura; now it was complete, refulgent.

Arjuna saw the universe with his gifted sight, all its eternity gathered in One, in the body of the God of Gods. His hair stood on end, he folded his hands in awe and the Pandava fell on his knees. "Oh, Lord, I see the Gods and their hosts in you! I see Brahma on his lotus throne and all the rishis and heaven's nagas. I see you with numberless arms, bellies, mouths and eyes, but I do not see your end, your middle or your beginning, O cosmic, infinite One!

I see you with your crown, mace and wheel of fire. You are the light of lights, incomparable!" cried Arjuna in ecstasy and terror verging on death. "The sun and the moon are your eyes, your face is an eternal fire whose brilliance lights the universe. The void of space between the stars is full of you. The three worlds are in awe of this Form of yours and I tremble seeing you shouldering the sky, blazing in more colors than I had dreamt could be.

Oh, Vishnu, this vision makes my soul weak with fear. I see your endless mouths, dreadful with tusks, full of Time's devouring flames and I quail. Be gracious, Lord of Gods, sanctuary of the galaxies! I see not just my enemies and friends, but all men and women, humankind, fly like moths into your flaming jaws. Lord, I see the earth and the constellations spinning into your fanged mouths and you licking them up. Have mercy, O Godhead, I know nothing of thee!"

God said in thunder, "Time am I, waster of worlds. Fight or stay your hand, no matter: these kshatriyas will die in me. For that I am come. So, take up your weapons! Win glory by killing your enemies and enjoy a kingdom, O ambidextrous bowman. I have already slain your enemies; you are only my instrument. Kill Drona, Bheeshma, Jayadratha, Karna and the rest, whom I have damned. Fear nothing, fight and you will conquer."

His face in the grass, his eyes shut tight, Arjuna prostrated himself at the Vision's feet. He breathed, "O Krishna, it is well the world honors you, I understand it now. Hail, hail to you! A thousand times, hail! For whatever I said rashly to you, thinking of you as just my cousin, not knowing who you really are, calling you Krishna, Yadava, or friend, I beg your forgiveness, O Father of worlds.

Bear with me as a father with his son, as a friend with a friend, as a lover with his beloved. I cannot endure this vision of you. Be merciful; be as you were before, O million-membered One!" God said, "My love has shown you this Form of fire, luminous, primeval, which no one has ever seen before on earth. Not by the Vedas, by sacrifice or study, not by the sternest tapasya, will anyone else in this world ever see this Viswa Rupa. But look and do not be afraid."

Menon, Ramesh (2006-07-20). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering, Vol 2 . iUniverse. Kindle Edition and THE SRIMAD BHAGWAT GITA.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Vishwaroop Darshan

The Eleventh Chapter of Gita is called Vishwaroopa Darshan Yoga'. There are in all 55 shlokas in this chapter, and apart from the common Anusthup Meter, we have a liberal usage of a longer meter called as Tristhup. As the very name shows in this chapter Lord shows his Vishwaroopa to Arjuna.

The chapter starts with Arjuna expressing his heartfelt gratitude towards Lord for his divine teachings, because of which his delusion stands effaced to a great extent. He says that he now understands that all beings have come from you, they exist in you and finally go back in you. While intellectually he certainly appreciates this fact, but if the Lord so deems it to be fit, we would like to see' or experience that cosmic form, from where everything is coming out etc. To Arjunas pleasant surprise Lord accepts his request and says that right here in this body of mine you will see all these happenings of creation, sustenance & dissolution. However, that experience is not possible with our existing faculties, so he provides Arjuna with a Divine Vision' (Divya Chakshu). The moment Lord provided this capacity to Arjuna, Arjuna dumfoundedly saw the Cosmic Form, and so, it was Sanjaya who had to describe to us what Arjuna saw.

Arjuna saw a highly decorated & resplendent divine form, which had many mouth, eyes, hands, weapons ornaments. It was so resplendent that he says that it would take a thousand suns to compare the glow of that form. What he saw was a holistic, unfragmented vision of the entire cosmos. Filled with awe & extreme wonder Arjuna saw that form, and thereafter bowed his head down and did pranam to Lord and said that : I see herein the entire worlds and all the gods. He says that I am convinced that You' are imperishable supreme Being of this universe, you are the imperishable protector of the universe, the Ancient Purusha. You are without beginning or end, and in you alone everything exists and go back. I not only see the devatas & rishis in you but even these sons of Dhritrashtra, who are being swallowed up by you. That aspect of you appears very terrible & frightening. They all are going into you as a river goes into the ocean, and you seem to enjoy not only the creation but even the destruction. Arjuna finally requests Lord to tell him what & who he exactly is.

Lord says what Arjuna is seeing at the moment is his aspect of the mighty time', which brings & ends everything. He says that even without Arjuna around people would come & go, so he need not take himself as the cause of these inevitable happenings. Arjuna just needs to become like an instrument. He says that time has already killed Dronanacharya or Bhishma, so Arjuna should be free of any guilt borne out of any baseless doership, and do what is right for him to do.

Arjuna thereafter does prayers at the feet of Lord, and requests for being excused for any thing said or done when he did not know about this unimaginable reality reality of Lord. He then requests Lord to remove this fearful form and show his original form once again. The Lord thereafter takes back that vision' and Arjuna again sees the same Lord once again.

The chapter ends by Lord telling that this particular form is not available to be seen by any other person, even by resorting to sadhana's like japa or tapa etc. It is only by utmost devotion that anyone can realize this truth of Lord. The final shloka of the chapter assures Arjuna that whosoever works just for ME, aspiring for ME, loving ME, and is without any attachment or malice towards anyone attains ME alone.

Thus ends the eleventh chapter of Bhagwad Gita.

http://www.vmission.org.in/vedanta/shastras/gita/sum_11.htm

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Posted: 11 years ago
Video of Gita gyaan promo -
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Aqsl10G6FQ&feature=youtu.be[/YOUTUBE]
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Posted: 11 years ago
Nice promo! Just hope the actual is just as good!
(but why was Parth kneeling on the ground in an... empty battlefield?😕)
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Posted: 11 years ago
Surya, it looks like the battlefield is "too vast", therefore, it seems empty...and for the "kneeling" part, CVs wanted to emphasize on Arjun's dedication to Krishna, I suppose...
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In the promo, and also in Chapter 1 of the Gita, Arjun states that he does not see any benefit in fighting the war (and killing Bhishma, Drona & his kinsmen), even if it gives him the material luxuries of the three worlds.

Does it mean Arjun had no responsibility of his own to punish those who humiliated Panchali?

Isn't Panchali's humiliation a crime against society (& humanity, at large)?

So, why did Arjun raise the matter of gaining "material luxuries" due to the war?

Yes, getting back their kingdom was one of the reasons for Pandavas to fight the war, but was it really more important than "justice for Panchali"?

Priorities, priorities...
Edited by -Shani- - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
i think, his moh, his attachment to.those person came forward that time, and he said those things that were in scriptures and even valid too but those were actualy excuses, but these excuses became the reason of geeta, and at the end of that he got his answers.
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Posted: 11 years ago
It was Arjun's dilemma, before taking the final step of actually fighting with some of his near & dear ones.
Was he doing right or wrong? Arjun Vishad yoga or Arjun depressed.
Those who are suffering from depression are recommend reading of Bhagvad Geeta.
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Posted: 11 years ago
What if we did not know Krishna's answers to Arjun?
Suppose that we knew about Arjun not willing to fight and the reasons given by him. But we did not know what answers Krishna gave. We did not even know that Krishna wanted Arjun to fight.
Then were we going to think that Arjun's sentiments were misplaced? I know this is a hypothetical question. But please try to answer.

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