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Posted: 11 years ago
#51
And after they leave, Dhritrashtra asks Vidura that what should they do?
Vidura tells him to give back whatever they have taken from the Pandavas by cheating, and deceiving Yudhishtira.

And Vidura leaves HP to be with the Pandavas too.🤔

And Dhritrashtra sends Sanjaya to bring him back, when Vidura comes back Duryodhna becomes even more angered and councils with Dushi, Mama and Karna.

He says that if Pandavas come back, he will kill himself.

If ever I behold the sons of Pritha return to the city, I shall again be emaciated by renouncing food and drink, even though there be no obstacle in my path! And I shall either take poison or hang myself, either enter the pyre or kill myself with my own weapons. But I shall never be able to behold the sons of Pandu in prosperity!

(Makes you realize that SP doesnt wrongly portray his dramatics 😆)

And Karna says that dont worry, Pandavas are all very dharmik and would never come back before their time is over ... and if they do you can again defeat them in dice.

Even Shakuni knows the Pandavas!

"Sakuni said, 'O king, O lord of the earth, what folly hath taken possession of thee! The Pandavas have gone to the forest, having given a particular pledge, so that what thou apprehendest can never take place! O bull of the Bharata race, the Pandavas ever abide by the truth. They will never, therefore, accept the words of thy father! If however, accepting the commands of the king, they come back to the capital, violating their vow, even this would be our conduct, viz., assuming, an aspect of neutrality, and in apparent obedience to the will of the monarch, we will closely watch the Pandavas, keeping our counsels!'

p. 19

"Dussasana said, 'O uncle of great intelligence, it is even as thou sayest! The words of wisdom thou utterest always recommend themselves to me!'"Karna said, 'O Duryodhana, all of us seek to accomplish thy will and, O king, I see that unanimity at present prevaileth among us! The sons of Pandu, with passions under complete control, will never return without passing away the promised period. If, however, they do return from failing sense, do thou defeat them again at dice.'


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Posted: 11 years ago
#52
@ DrModel- SOrry for not understanding you
@ Srishtisingh- Thank you.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: DrModel


Yes, but the sinner you talk of was in heaven was he not? He died and went straight to Amravati? did he not? There is nothing in the MB to say that the sinner was ever sent to hell. is there? It only says he got a hero's death on the battlefield and so is in heaven. Even Yudi asked why eh was in Amravati and Indra answered him.
He may not have gone to Vaikunth but to reach Vaikunth is not easy.




Listen to these words of mine. Hell, O son, should without doubt be beheld by every king. Of both good and bad there is abundance, O chief of men. He who enjoys first the fruits of his good acts must afterwards endure Hell. He, on the other hand, who first endures Hell, must afterwards enjoy Heaven. He whose sinful acts are many enjoys Heaven first. Thou hadst, by a pretence, deceived Drona in the matter of his son. Thou hast, in consequence thereof, been shown Hell by an act of deception.


there is nothing to say that draupadi and others were suffering in hell till the time yudi arrives there . its an illusion for yudi ( his reflection of personal hell).
and indra says every king sees hell first ... why would it not include duri?
everyone saw hell for the amt of time alloted as per their bad deeds and then went to heaven. they died much before yudi hence were already in heaven before him!
when after yudi is cleansed by ganga and taken back to swarga he sees his brothers and draupadi already there intoduced to him as godess shree!

Edited by bhas1066 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: bhas1066




Listen to these words of mine. Hell, O son, should without doubt be beheld by every king. Of both good and bad there is abundance, O chief of men. He who enjoys first the fruits of his good acts must afterwards endure Hell. He, on the other hand, who first endures Hell, must afterwards enjoy Heaven. He whose sinful acts are many enjoys Heaven first. Thou hadst, by a pretence, deceived Drona in the matter of his son. Thou hast, in consequence thereof, been shown Hell by an act of deception.


there is nothing to say that draupadi and others were suffering in hell till the time yudi arrives there . its an illusion for yudi ( his reflection of personal hell).
and indra says every king sees hell first ... why would it not include duri?
everyone saw hell for the amt of time alloted as per their bad deeds and then went to heaven. they died much before yudi hence were already in heaven before him!
when after yudi is cleansed by ganga and taken back to swarga he sees his brothers and draupadi already there intoduced to him as godess shree!


I am confused, I thought you meant Duryodhan; did you mean Yudi😕😆

I know this; its in the end of the MB
swargya parva? so i do not understand what you mean😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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And even though they had all agreed to some rules and whatever, Kauravas and Karna were still conspiring against the Pandavas.

When Duryodhna was acting like spoilt brat, threatening to kill himself they ever came back, Karna suggested that they all go with army and in chariots and murder the Pandavas in the forest as long as they are helpless and in despair.

Kauravas and Shakuni applauded the high solaed words.🤢


And even then, when Duryodhna was captured Yudhishtira wanted to help that 🤬
Saying that he is a kin, so he can't just leave him to die.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03007.htm


"Vaisampayana said, 'Thus addressed by Karna, king Duryodhana with cheerless heart, averted his face from his counsellors.

Marking all this, Karna expanding his beautiful eyes, and vehemently gesticulating in anger, haughtily addressed Duryodhana and Dussasana and Suvala's son saying, 'Ye princes, know ye my opinion! We are all servants of the king (Duryodhana) waiting upon him with joined palms!We should, therefore, do what is agreeable to him! But we are not always able to seek his welfare with promptness and activity (owing to our dependence on Dhritarashtra)! But let us now, encased in mail and armed with our weapons, mount our cars and go in a body to slay the Pandavas now living in the forest!

After the Pandavas have been quieted (Oh God👏) and after they have gone on the unknown journey, both ourselves and the sons of Dhritarashtra will find peace!

As long as they are in distress, as long as they are in sorrow, as long as they are destitute of help, so long are we a match for them! This is my mind!'

'Hearing those words of the charioteer's son, they repeatedly applauded him, and at last exclaimed, 'Very well!' And saying this each of them mounted his car, and sanguine of success, they rushed in a body to slay the sons of Pandu. And knowing by his spiritual vision that they had gone out, the master Krishna-Dwaipayana of pure soul came upon them, and commanded them to desist. And sending them away, the holy one, worshipped by all the worlds, quickly appeared before the king whose intelligence served the purposes of eye-sight, and who was then seated (at his ease). And the holy one addressed the monarch thus.'"


Wow right! Let us go in our chariots and murder the Pandavas in the forest!

After they have been quieted, we will live in peace as the Pandavas disappear on an unknown journey.👏⭐️


And they will be a match for the Pandavas :-

Till the Pandavas are in distress

Till they all are in sorrow

Till the Pandavas are without any help⭐️⭐️




Edited by Medha.S - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i meant about yudi only...
but more about the reader's perspective of never finding any punishment to anyone in the epic as sufficient!!!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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he did, because he truly won over himself, his prejudice his feelings.
At first he had given into his dislike for kauravas, seeing them in swarga, his attachment for his brothers and karan and resentment of kauravas drew him to naraka.
But finally he attained self realisation. So in the end he won over himself, and became one with krishna.
His going to swarga in physical body signifies the yog of those who have renounced everything and who has realised everything is Lord. IF everything is divine, being in bodyor being in soul, no longer matter. Everything is bliss.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bhas1066

i meant about yudi only...
but more about the reader's perspective of never finding any punishment to anyone in the epic as sufficient!!!


Yudhishtira stands trembling. "I know nothing of the laws of Devaloka, but I wonder why I don't see my brothers here. If Duryodhana deserves to be here, what about them? They were all great men, who never strayed from the path of truth. Where are they now? Where is my noblest brother Karna? Where are Satyaki and Dhrishtadyumna? Where are all the kshatriyas who laid down their lives for me? Where is my child Abhimanyu? Where is Krishna? Where is my mother Kunti? Where are Shikhandi, Virata and Drupada, where is my queen Draupadi? I beg you, my lords, take me to my brothers. I want to live in the place where they are, wherever it is. I don't understand the dharma of heaven, I want to be with my brothers!" Yudhishtira's voice has risen in despair. Indra sighs, "Very well, then, let Yudhishtira be taken to where his brothers are." The king of the Devas summons an attendant and Yudhishtira follows that bright servitor out of the Sudharma. They hardly walk a short way, when

Menon, Ramesh (2006-07-20). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering, Vol 2 (Kindle Locations 10802-10810). iUniverse. Kindle Edition.

suddenly they tread a sinister trail. This path snakes on, interminably and Indra's servant walks briskly along it. A glowing blackness engulfs them. The air is still, breathless; a fetid smell hangs heavily. On both sides, they hear groans and screams of souls in torment. In the gloom, Yudhishtira dimly sees the monstrous forms of demons: some entwine horribly; others are dismembered or headless and some have mouths like needles. Corpses are strewn everywhere, hideously dismemboweled, entrails hanging out, smeared with fat and blood, their stink intolerable. A thousand human hands reach out to them, in agony. Everywhere they hear sobbing and the gnashing of teeth. Weird howls ring out, now and again and at times serpents slither across the narrow path. Sulfurous pools bubble beside the eerie trail and there are living creatures in them: burning slowly, never dying, suffering endlessly. With every step they take, the sights, smells and sounds grow worse and the heat becomes unbearable. Soon, Yudhishtira cries, "This is an infernal place! Which God rules this part of Devaloka? Ah, where are my brothers?" Indra's servant replies, "This path leads to your brothers; but we will turn back, if you cannot bear it."

Menon, Ramesh (2006-07-20). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering, Vol 2 (Kindle Locations 10810-10819). iUniverse. Kindle Edition.

"I am Karna." "I am Bheema." "Arjuna.""Nakula.""Sahadeva.""This is I, Draupadi." "I am Dhrishtadyumna." "I am Satyaki." All the others he loved, who had fought and died for him, call out to him. Yudhishtira cries, "My sinless brothers, my Panchali and my friends are all in hell, while Duryodhana sits on a crystal throne in the Sudharma! Am I dreaming? Surely, this is a nightmare from which I will awaken." Again, the piteous voices call out, begging him to stay with them just a little longer, ah, his presence soothed their torment. Tears in his eyes, Yudhishtira turns to the divine servitor who brought him here, "Friend, go back to Indra and tell him I will remain with my brothers. They say that my presence soothes their anguish."

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The man bows and leaves Yudhishtira alone. The darkness, the purulence, the heat and the terror of that hell are all magnified, when he is alone. The voices cry out more plaintively. Yudhishtira sits on the path, sweating, wondering how long he can endure it. He has been there for an hour, when there is a flash of light, then another, another and more. Indra stands before Yudhishtira, the king of heaven come with his host. In a moment, the darkness, the pestilential vapors, the scathing heat, the sulfur pits, the demons, all vanish. No more groans and screams bruise the air. Instead, it is sweet and pure and that place is full of light and living silence. A fragrant breeze blows, plucking at Yudhishtira's face. He stands blinking in the soft lambency of Devaloka. Indra says to him, "Now you have earned swarga for yourself. The law of heaven is that every king must pass through hell to purify himself. You experienced naraka briefly, to atone for your one sin on earth. Yudhishtira, you deceived your guru Drona on Kurukshetra. It was your lie that made him put down his weapons and then Dhrishtadyumna killed him. You have paid for that sin now. Forget what you saw, it was an illusion. Come with us." Yudhishtira stands, hands folded before the effulgent Gods. He murmurs, "My brothers?"

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Posted: 11 years ago
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he did, because he truly won over himself, his prejudice his feelings.

At first he had given into his dislike for kauravas, seeing them in swarga, his attachment for his brothers and karan and resentment of kauravas drew him to naraka.
But finally he attained self realisation. So in the end he won over himself, and became one with krishna.
His going to swarga in physical body signifies the yog of those who have renounced everything and who has realised everything is Lord. IF everything is divine, being in bodyor being in soul, no longer matter. Everything is bliss.



thats acc to devdutt right?
cause as per KMG, he decides to stay back in hell with his brothers which doesnt exactly signifies his renouncement!! indra praises him for that and tells its all an illusion! then we jump to vaisampayana explaining who was the avatara of whom and all.
the realization that everything is god , incl the kauravas is not mentioned here.
i loved that explanation by devdutt in view of Jaya and Vijaya more!



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bhas1066



thats acc to devdutt right?
cause as per KMG, he decides to stay back in hell with his brothers which doesnt exactly signifies his renouncement!! indra praises him for that and tells its all an illusion! then we jump to vaisampayana explaining who was the avatara of whom and all.
the realization that everything is god , incl the kauravas is not mentioned here.
i loved that explanation by devdutt in view of Jaya and Vijaya more!




yes you are right, thats from jaya of devdutt and its also a more fitting explanation IMO.
more traditional telling do what you typed, it was all his test and he needed to see naraka for iti gaja error.

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