Originally posted by: Medha.S
🤣No salvation for us, If Yudhishtira is off to hell even after being away from anger almost all his life, always being compassionate towards his cousins even after they made him slave and stripped him off his possessions ( Seriously, he still could have the decency to have Duryodhna rescued even though Duryodhna and Karna had come to the forest just to laugh at his misery and despair🤢)
He was always so forgiving, kept forgiving and giving.
Never spoke against his elders, never said insulting words towards Dhrit, Bhishma, Drona etc. even after Dhritrashtra acted like a 🤬 towards them. ( Unlike some other great men who left no chance to insult them)
And so much more, but we people can't even claim to have done even this much.
Alas,I am to be a scorned spirit for the rest of eternity, not even good enough for hell.
There are SO many instances that RM mentions during vanvaas that talk of the innate goodness in Yudi.
From the moment they come out of the forest to HP, to wax house, to gatotkach's favorite uncle, to DPadi's wedding to all 5, to the kind of man India would want as its Samrat in IP, to even Rajsuya, to Arjun's exile, to dice game, especially in vanvaas.
Its unbelievable...and to say that because he in the innate goodness within himself could never have dreamed that he will lose his brothers and his wife and his wife will be publicly humiliated.
And THAT wife says THIS to Bheeshma about HER pati who stood helpless while she was so cruelly dragged in to the sabha
Draupadi cried, "How can you say Yudhishtira played willingly? In Indraprastha, he told Vidura he did not want to play. Obviously, he was provoked into playing. You were here all the while, Pitama: didn't you know how poor at dice my husband is? That he hasn't the temper for it, that he is too noble, too innocent. Or didn't you, perhaps, know there is no dice-player on earth like Shakuni? But you sat by without a murmur as Yudhishtira gambled away all that he owned. O, Pitama, you are the king's uncle; you wield great power in this sabha. How did you allow this? It was like sending a child into battle against a seasoned warrior. And yet, Bheeshma, you speak to me of the finer points of dharma. How do you dare?"
Menon, Ramesh (2006-07-20). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering, Vol 1 (Kindle Locations 8368-8373). iUniverse. Kindle Edition.
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AND THENNN, in the sammeee Mahabharat Sri Krishna says THIS
Krishna had not raised his voice. He spoke almost sadly, or at least, only with anger born of grief. "You dare tell me you have caused the Pandavas no suffering, that you are not to blame at all for what they endured these thirteen years. You dare. And in this sabha of wise men, who know you since your infancy, who know every sin you have ever committed. Well, let them decide whether any guilt attaches to you or not. I knew how fiercely you would argue today, Duryodhana, how glibly. That is why I came here and not because I had any real hope of convincing you to return to dharma. I am sure all these wise men have heard your clever arguments often enough. Now let them hear another point of view and decide which one is true. You were consumed by envy when Yudhishtira performed the Rajasuya yagna. Already, you had tried to kill your cousins more than once, because you hated them from the moment they came home out of the wilds. When you saw the wealth of Indraprastha and the splendor of the Mayaa sabha, you could not bear your envy any longer. I am not sure whether it was you or your uncle Shakuni who decided to conquer the Pandavas at a game of dice. Probably Shakuni thought of it; it sounds like what he would prefer, a battle he could not lose. You would have gone to war if the choice were yours, that is more your nature.
Menon, Ramesh (2006-07-20). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering, Vol 2 (Kindle Locations 1697-1707). iUniverse. Kindle Edition.
Even if the plan was Shakuni's at first, you embraced it readily enough. You did not protest that it was a perfidious way to quench your envy of the sons of Pandu: to humiliate them, to destroy them if you could. The plan worked well. Yudhishtira accepted your challenge, poor, high-minded king. Exactly as you had calculated, he lost his reason at this game that did not suit him at all. Don't tell me, Duryodhana, that you believed Yudhishtira stood a chance of winning at dice against Shakuni. Don't tell me the game was played in friendly spirit with no harm intended. You could have stopped the game, any time you chose; but it was not to stop that you had begun. You did not stop until Yudhishtira had lost everything and his very honor, that day. And you say you are guilty of no crime? Do you take everyone in this sabha for a fool? As if the game of dice was not enough, you had your brother haul Panchali into this court. He dragged her in by her hair and all these great men heard what you said to her then, your cousins' wife, how you called her to sit in your lap. And then, your brother, this grinning Dusasana, tried to strip that queen naked in this hallowed sabha." Krishna's voice was almost a whisper now, what he said was reverberant. "And you tell me no blame attaches to you and you are an innocent man? Well, I have come here to learn how such a paragon of
Menon, Ramesh (2006-07-20). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering, Vol 2 (Kindle Locations 1707-1717). iUniverse. Kindle Edition.
please take note of part in bold
dharma like you, Duryodhana, chooses to fight a war in which millions shall die, brutally, when Yudhishtira still offers you peace." Krishna's eyes blazed again, "You are no innocent, Duryodhana. You are the most evil man that draws breath in this world. Why do you try to deceive us, or is it yourself you need to deceive? Or do your sins weigh on you so heavily that you no longer know what dharma is? That you no longer see right from wrong, good from evil, darkness from light?"
Menon, Ramesh (2006-07-20). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering, Vol 2 (Kindle Locations 1717-1721). iUniverse. Kindle Edition.
but what do I know, I am just a believer of "fictional" texts which paints heroes in such BAD light. And as for citations while stating POV re the MAHABHARAT, referencing from texts in inevitable.
I can reference from SMB as well, but why waste my time, it will be like banging my head against a wall.
Disclaimer: my views are based on my reading of sacred texts of MY religion and are MY opinion which as per rules in this forum I have a right over.
Edited by DrModel - 11 years ago
