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thedramaqueen

@thedramaqueen

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Posted: 8 years ago

#81

Absolute bliss.

I mean devakshi scenes, Deepa ke Darshan, awesome precap... I should have asked for more and would have got that too. May be our missing regulars will return. ⭐️

This episode deserves a scene by scene breakdown. I'll be back in a bit. Just wanted to share my initial excitement.

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Harryfan011

@Harryfan011

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Posted: 8 years ago

#82

DISCLAIMER: INTENTIONALLY LEFT ALL MY ERRORS TO EXPRESS MY MENTAL STATE WHILE WRITING THIS POST

This post is definitely not an analysis... I know that I had said the same thing, yesterday but today...

You know what, forget about it..

I am just glad that I was able to watch today's episode... It was everything that I wished for and I couldn't have asked for anything more... It had all the credentials that made me fall in love with this show...

Every scene was so simple, yet so beautifully written and performed... The conversations, the lack of arguments, confrontations... It was perfect, just perfect...

I wish I could make my brain work a little more faster, but.. I guess, finally sleep and exhaustion has gripped me..

(For the last couple of weeks, I was literally sleeping for only 4-5 hours, due to my professional work.. But, thankfully, the project has reached a point where I could take a well-deserved break... So, as soon as I finish this post, I am going to hit my head on my pillow and finally, I could sleep, till next eternity..)

This was supposed to be final line but the conversation in the last few pages, regarding Dev's future action left me slightly disheartened...

I was surprised that most people started thinking like Dev has committed a theft (instead of Ishwari) and hence, had to redeem himself, by giving away his life's work...

It is just like accusing him of signing prenup or saying, he personally ordered Vicky to throw Bose family out on the streets... (If he should feel guilt for anything, it should be his lack of faith in himself for thinking that he could do such a thing as well as his lack of action in aiding Sona and the Boses in their difficult times..)

Ishwari Dixit and Dev Dixit might be bound due to their traumatic past but both are two different individuals and we must realise it..

Robbing a bank (let me correct it, a family.. See the state of my brain) puts a blemish on Ishwari's character but in no way, it puts a taint on either Dev's character or his success...

Dev's character are a result of his own beliefs and actions and his success is because of the innumerable hours that he has put in, to achieve his and his family's dreams..

And, since... Wait a minute...

Okay... Right.. As was I saying earlier, it is wrong on our behalf that Dev should ... Seriously, I am so out of it.. Let me drink a glass of water before I could elaborate (as much as possible, in my condition)...

Okay, let me begin once again...

Your conversations and discussions, while interesting was just.. only that.. What I mean to say, your reasoning, which drives this discussion, is just based on some actual facts but the majority of it is based on our own assumptions and our imaginations... There is no evidence to support your assumptions...

Ishwari committed a crime when Dev was 10 years old, to allow him to continue his education in the 'bada school'... She supposedly stole from a family, just before their daughter's marriage and it led to the family being, supposedly humiliated and hence, left their home and moved away...

Again, all of these are just assumptions (most will be true, but they are still assumptions), since we don't know the actual events... We will only come to know about whether these assumptions are correct or not, either when Ishwari comes back or Dev is able to find the victims of her mother's theft...

Again, the term 'bada school' doesn't throw a lot of light into this matter.. In fact, it leaves us even more confused,,, 'Bada' is a very generic word.. 'Bada' in what sense... Size, amount of fees, prestige or something else...

If I remember correctly, in one of the initial episodes, Dev's teacher (who assumed Sona to be Dev's partner) who used to teach him in his fifth standard.. As far as I can observe, his sense of clothing made him appear to be belonging to the middle class section of the society and as far as I know, most students complete their fifth standard when they are 11-12 years of age..

So, again, it doesn't match with the idea of @Sam's idea of the 'bada school' which would allow him to access the rich and powerful of the society..

Also, Dev's childhood friend, Bunty, belonged to the same lower middle class strata as Dev's family, which again stabs this theory of how Ishwari's crime could have directly resulted in Dev's success..

I am not denying that Ishwari's theft aided Dev to continue in pursuing his education, but how does that affect the end result or the knowledge gained by Dev... In the end, it was Dev's drive and determination that made him successful...

As for him communicating and interacting well in English... There could be n number of reasons which are not only possible, but also logical like:

1. @Sam's point of being surrounded by people who could speak fluently in English could be a possible reason.

2. Dev was shown as a curious child who was interested in his academics... His interest in stories could also lead him to read some good books on English literature. Public libraries or even reading English newspapers could deliver the same purpose.

3. A friend or a good teacher who is fluent in English could also assist him.

4. It is also possible that initially, when he started his business, he might find himself struggling in communicating in English but with time and more practice, he became fluent.

5. While, we know that Ishwari and Neha were not fluent in English... But, Mamaji, Rhea and Nikki were all comfortable with communicating in English.. So, it did provide some sort.. of environment for Dev to practice and perfect his English speaking skills...

And, as far, as I am concerned, I don't find Dev's cordial relationship with the police Commissioner surprising, considering he is the head of one of India's topmost business companies...

Another factor that comes to my mind is the lack of information that we have, in respect to Dev's past...

We started to observe Dev's journey, when he was 27 years old and has already established himself as one of the India's leading business tycoons...

And, the period that we are talking about here, is when he was 10 years of age...

And, while we have seen some glimpses of Dev's past, either in the form of Ishwari's flashbacks or Dev's revelations to Sonakshi about his childhood, these glimpses at the end of the day, are just that... mere glimpses..

I am not diminishing or reducing these memories significance in building and molding Dev into 'the Dev Dixit'... But, at the end of the day, we have to admit that all of these memories just represent very, very small fraction of the actual events that must have happened during the 18 years gap...

In fact, we don't anything about his teenage years, or even, his early days after starting his business...

All in all, the severe lack of information on our part, makes us incapable of reaching any meaningful conclusions... We may connect some of his actions due to our knowledge of the past 8 years of Dev Dixit's life but in this case, we are only shooting arrows in the dark, hoping that one of them hits the target...

This is why, I don't tend to waste my mental resources on connecting Khatri's issue or Ishwari's crime as building blocks for my posts or analyses... Until, I know more information on this subject, which are supported by ample of evidence.. I will still continue keep a safe distance with this subjects and hence, doesn't want to offer any kind of predictions on how will Dev react to his mother's crime..

In fact, I am hardly interested in knowing about either Khatri's secret or Ishwari's crime.. For me, I am more interested in how these matters affect Dev and Sona's relationship...

I know that my words might seem harsh but I felt that I should express and elaborate why I believe that talking on this subject will not lead to any kind of understanding or even, an insight to the characters...

I, sincerely apologise, if I hurt anyone's sentiments... It was most unintentionally done... And, I am here if someone needs any kind of clarification or has doubts of any sort..

-Suyash

P.S: When I started this post, I could feel the arms of sleep calling me closer and gripping me.. I could feel how near I was to the dream world and its soothing embrace...

But now, once again, thanks to all of your posts, this post of mine has successfully been able to awaken my slumbering mind... My mind is again, whirring like a crazy machine and I am sure that I am going to have, yet another, sleepless night in front of me...

So, don't get surprised if you don't hear from me for some time, since I am sure, once sleep weakens the hold of my mind over my already-tired body, I will not wake up for at least, the next thousand years..

Good night... I hope that you pray to the Almighty to let my mind come to a halt, so that I can finally achieve my greatest desire: sleep.. A good sound sleep...

Edited by Harryfan011 - 8 years ago

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thedramaqueen

@thedramaqueen

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#83

Devakshi have finally grown up. They don't make silly promises anymore and are able to laugh at themselves. Seven years ago, they hadn't thought there will ever be an awkward silence between them. After seven years of deafening radio silence, being able to savour coffee together in peace is a treat. Their friendship is growing and I hope they give it their best shot. Because being friends and communicative partners is what they stopped being after the wedding.

Sometimes hearing what you have been feeling can be such a shock to the system. Years ago, Dev's girlfriend started addressing his mother as ma unknowingly and he liked it. Today his child's mother referred to them as a couple and he was quick to run a double take... This in-limbo... its complicated type relationship status is working wonders for me... nahi... shotti... I like it

They are breaking their own rules. Visiting the Bose house when it's their time in IN. This is healing... this is happiness... The scene in the car was another treat for this fan. The three of them have a nice comfortable energy about themselves. Dev took note of how he has missed on Soha's early years. And the mommy-beti bonding was sweet. I can see why Dev had doubts about Sona sharing the details with Asha(Her conversation with Asha deserves a standing ovation. How honest was that...👏). I wish he can soon start trusting his co-parent more. Leading Dev to that old basti was a sweet gesture. Sona 1.0 is back

The scene on the roadside laila-majnu... sorry dev-sona was quite well done actually. Dev is falling in this abysmal ocean of guilt and hurting himself. Sona is there to pull him out but for that, she needs to fall with him first.

Another significant scene was the coffee shop. At some point Dev and Sona need to get this girlfriend business out of their system. It's okay for now... But eventually, this needs talking about someday and never referred to again. Having said that, being able to laugh about it is lovely growth. The fact that he imagined Sonakshi would walk into that restaurant itself says how he longed for her to be back.💔

Ishwari and Bijoy;s absence is not only literal, its figurative too. This is what Dev & Sona needed in their newly married life. Focus on the important stuff and don't make 2^nd level priorities your top priority. Assume the distractions aren't just there

As for mami, in season 2 all her steps are falling flat. Intoxicating Dev is serious stuff. I wish Ishwari would walk in just as this was happening. I would love to see mami's face when Ishwari goes mera beta! Nonetheless, thank you mamiji! Intoxicated Dev is a very delicious Dev... Definitely the tablet going in has started the truth coming out... teehee... Lovely throwback to the time when Dev had fever post confession.. Sonakshi, mat jao...🥺

It was also very nice to see Elena speaking up for Golu.

PS: Soha ko dida ke pass sula key eh dono basti gaye ya phir...🤬

PPS: Erica's eye makeup is gorgeous & Soha's look was lovely and refreshing

Edited by thedramaqueen - 8 years ago

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Harryfan011

@Harryfan011

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Posted: 8 years ago

#84

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen
Devakshi have finally grown up. They don't make silly promises anymore and are able to laugh at themselves. Seven years ago, they hadn't thought there will ever be an awkward silence between them. After seven years of deafening radio silence, being able to savour coffee together in peace is a treat. Their friendship is growing and I hope they give it their best shot. Because being friends and communicative partners is what they stopped being after the wedding.
Sometimes hearing what you have been feeling can be such a shock to the system. Years ago, Dev's girlfriend started addressing his mother as ma unknowingly and he liked it. Today his child's mother referred to them as a couple and he was quick to run a double take... This in-limbo... its complicated type relationship status is working wonders for me... nahi... shotti... I like it
They are breaking their own rules. Visiting the Bose house when it's their time in IN. This is healing... this is happiness... The scene in the car was another treat for this fan. The three of them have a nice comfortable energy about themselves. Dev took note of how he has missed on Soha's early years. And the mommy-beti bonding was sweet. I can see why Dev had doubts about Sona sharing the details with Asha(Her conversation with Asha deserves a standing ovation. How honest was that...👏). I wish he can soon start trusting his co-parent more. Leading Dev to that old basti was a sweet gesture. Sona 1.0 is back
The scene on the roadside laila-majnu... sorry dev-sona was quite well done actually. Dev is falling in this abysmal ocean of guilt and hurting himself. Sona is there to pull him out but for that, she needs to fall with him first.
Another significant scene was the coffee shop. At some point Dev and Sona need to get this girlfriend business out of their system. It's okay for now... But eventually, this needs talking about someday and never referred to again. Having said that, being able to laugh about it is lovely growth. The fact that he imagined Sonakshi would walk into that restaurant itself says how he longed for her to be back.💔
Ishwari and Bijoy;s absence is not only literal, its figurative too. This is what Dev & Sona needed in their newly married life. Focus on the important stuff and don't make 2^nd level priorities your top priority. Assume the distractions aren't just there
As for mami, in season 2 all her steps are falling flat. Intoxicating Dev is serious stuff. I wish Ishwari would walk in just as this was happening. I would love to see mami's face when Ishwari goes mera beta! Nonetheless, thank you mamiji! Intoxicated Dev is a very delicious Dev... Definitely the tablet going in has started the truth coming out... teehee... Lovely throwback to the time when Dev had fever post confession.. Sonakshi, mat jao...🥺
It was also very nice to see Elena speaking up for Golu.
PS: Soha ko dida ke pass sula key eh dono basti gaye ya phir...🤬
PPS: Erica's eye makeup is gorgeous & Soha's look was lovely and refreshing

@DQ Thank you so much for this beautiful interpretation of today's episode.. This episode was perfect, just perfect.. There is not a single scene which I didn't love or enjoy.. It was an amazing ride from first scene to the last scene..

And, precap just left me more excited than ever before... Today's scene truly made my heart shatter.. Everything was so amazing between all three of them (Dev, Sona and Soha)... If only Bijoy and Ishwari had stopped poking their noses in between their marriage...

But, I am sure that they are moving closer to the blissful future awaiting for them...

I so desperately wished to do a scene-by-scene breakdown of today's episode but unfortunately, my post ended up moving in the opposite direction..

So, thank you so much for your analysis...

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thedramaqueen

@thedramaqueen

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#85

Quick note on Sonakshi's dress and Dev's intoxicated/hallucinated state. The dress sona is wearing is actually quite similar to what she wore in the break up scenes. The difference is she is wearing Dev's colour. Blue/grey. Same as the juice. It wasn't orange.

While Sonakshi is in for a shock because she will soon realise that everything Dev said wasn't in a sober state, however, it's a replay of that day. And how things could have been different if either of them had allowed themselves to act on behalf of each other and save their marriage. Dev wasn't in a sober state that day either. 😭

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Shaavi

@Shaavi

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#86

Highlight of today's episode -- promotion of Dev Dixit from "puppy, doggy ka bachha" to "jabra doggy". Aaj Dev bada hogaya. Yay 😆 😆 😆 😛

Just a fun post 😳

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sjain

@sjain

Trailblazer

+ 4

Posted: 8 years ago

#87

PS: Soha ko dida ke pass sula key eh dono basti gaye ya phir...

Doggies kaatey hain..Aaram se..Aur ye toh Jabra Dogi hai not puppy anymore..So so *dot* *dot* ..Ab Aagey jaise aap sochna chatey aapki shradhha ..ok thanks Bye 😎

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Tardis

@DreamOfEndless

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+ 21

Posted: 8 years ago

#88

Hi all 😊

Hope all are doing well. A big jhappi, because I missed you guys...🤗🤗

I had been missing for over a week from here and I blame(😆) my cousin's upcoming maths exam at college. I don't understand why these kids procrastinate studying maths to this extent..(BTW, I too had behaved similarly 😆)

So, even though I have a lot to catch up, I happened to go through a few posts. All of the analysis were excellent 👏 and I am glad that new brilliant writers too have joined this thread (Suyash, bashinghater)..😊... And thank you Grace 😳... I did not know I too would be missed. But I definitely missed all of you and your beautiful posts...😊

I know, everybody is celebrating since Dev and Sonakshi's first post leap hug and the restart of their friendship. I too am very happy😳😊. But there is something, I cannot pin point with my finger, that I do not find alright. I hope I would be able to explain myself, as I write. Since my thoughts may vary form majority, please do not dampen your spirits or take offence. Here you go...

I found the farmhouse scene of Dev-Sona hug very significant. 'Jahan sabkuch khoya tha, wahin sabkuch pana chahta hoon..' and Dev got his everything back - his Sona - who can do anything for him and who he can read like an open book (except occasionally😆)... And this version of Sona is a reflection of him as well, who has imbibed him in her, went through similar struggles as his mother and is as fiery as she herself was ever. If Dev could (i.e. if Ishwari was never an issue, if things between them were not so complicated and if Sona agreed) then Dev would have remarried her then and there😳😆... because his heart has accepted her wholeheartedly relieving her from the charges of leaving him, accepted his mistakes; he is consciously aware of his feelings for her and her indispensable importance in his life. That hug meant a lot - he realized that Sona was always his all along❤️, she never really left.

Sona, on the other hand, is kind of maintaining a safe distance from Dev, because she is aware of the extent of Dev's power over her heart and mind. Her line 'Mai tumse pyaar nahi karoongi' to Dev's photograph resonates with the similar line she had said to Elena when she was crying due to Dev's engagement. And yet in spite of her conscious decision, she had fallen head over heels, and could not stop herself from what was inevitably impending (loving Dev with heart and soul ❤️). She is on a similar ride currently, while still clutching on to 'Soha k liye'. Its true she wants to maintain good terms with him for Soha but she would fall for him faster than she realizes.

Another contrast I would like to mention is her conversation with Elena in her room. Seven years ago, when Elena had said that caring is the first step to love, it had set Sona thinking about Dev's care for her. And now, she literally blasted on Elena saying her caring for Dev doesn't mean anything more. While Dev has bared his heart with his subtle signs of caring, feeling jealous of Jatin and that hug when he realized that Sona was always his all along; Sonakshi is still guarded and withholding herself. (Dev must have felt bad hearing that, would he too withhold himself to some extent as a result?)

Even when Dev and Sona were boss-employee, their conversations were pretty easy flowing with no pretenses (I would shortly explain this). I do not see that now, nor do I say that it is wrong. It is quite obvious that they would be awkward with each other. One cannot expect easy flowing conversations between ex-es.

However, I would like to talk about 'pretenses' part. I think, now I can explain, what I did not feel alright. I feel Sonakshi still hasn't dropped her charges on Dev, unlike him. She is there for him supporting him in his crisis, cares for him, adores him as Soha's dad and may even fall for him eventually; but I don't think she has forgiven him for breaking her heart twice and so she doesn't want to love him again (BTW, she again called him mamma's boy yesterday!).

And not only that, she is not allowing him in her internal territory (eg. the half-hearted hug, handshake). She is aware of Dev's side of story, the aftermath of her exit from Dixit house, changes in Dev-Ishwari relation, changes in Dev. Dev himself has expressed how helpless he felt after she left and how everything went downhill for him. We do not see any such confessions coming from Sona. She did not share that phase of her life with Dev. Of course, it takes time to share, but I feel she doesn't want to share it with him and feel vulnerable again. She said she felt anger on herself after coming out from her imagination, but is that the complete truth? I don't think so. She must have felt anger on Dev as well, whether she admits or not On the face of it, she is maintaining good terms with while she is still holding grudges for breaking her heart; like pre-leap, she was withholding her feelings of love behind her care and friendship. So she is not opening up, sharing her side of story and let the hurt heal. That's where pretenses come in picture.

Maybe she doesn't want to and make him feel more guilty, but to build real relationships and solve problems, one must talk about both good and bad things with same zeal. And as much as Dev needs Sona's support to heal his hurt; Sona too needs Dev's support to heal her hurt, but she is still not asking for that support. Dev seems to have forgiven her and included her in his inner circle that earlier included only his mom and him, but Sona still needs to forgive Dev and open up. I guess that would not happen without any reason. A thin facade is still there, and so we don't yet see an easy camaraderie.

Did anyone feel Dev is testing her feelings for him and jealousy level by mentioning about his many girlfriends repeatedly, now in friendly conversations? (Sorry, DQ I disagree with you slightly...) Dev was sharing his longing for her. But I think Sona must have got slightly irritated/jealous at the mention of his gfs but masked it well. Sona had said to Dev 'Mai samajh sakti hoon, tumhe waha Jatin aur mjhe sath mein dekh kar kaisa laga hoga'. This clearly tells how she felt when she saw him and Shruti at the hotel suite, also her stumped expression in the corridor. Now she would imagine each such scenario with each mention of his dates/gfs...(typical girls😆. Jalne ki boo behind the facade...😆)

Also, I am finding the 'perfect, just perfect' thing a little irritating, I don't understand why it must be emphasized so much... Soha - the 'mamma ki poonch' seems to have turned into 'daddy's girl'😆. I loved it when Sona called Dev uncle 😛😆

That's all for now. Thanks for reading 😊...

Jaate jaate few lines by Oscar Wilde:

(it reminds me all colors of love in our beloved show)

Yet each man kills the thing he loves, by each let this be heard,

Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word,

The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!

Some kill their love when they are young, And some when they are old;

Some strangle with the hands of Lust, Some with the hands of Gold:

The kindest use a knife, because The dead so soon grow cold.

Some love too little, some too long, Some sell, and others buy;

Some do the deed with many tears, And some without a sigh:

For each man kills the thing he loves, Yet each man does not die.

Have a good day!😊

- Tia

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aarcha

@aarcha

Sparkler

Posted: 8 years ago

#89

Luvd the episode. The car scene was jst perfect as a complete happy family. Like most of the wives , sona asking soha to ask papa if he can drop them @ mayka. " gaadi aapke papa chala rehe hai..unse poocho " "dhodi dher ke liye jaate hai,naa ..bahot man hai inka " . The trio looked really happy too. Ab aur kya chahiye ? Goli maaro, (logic ) redemptions n realisations ko, for the time being 😆

Dev & spying / stalking ..inseparable !! Wat to do ? Aadat se majboor !😛 Doggy aur billi ... & their silly verbal fights jst like spike n tom cat ( Btw, i still luv tom n jerry 😃) That falling was only side ways, expected much more from those build up spoilers 😆 Anyways only dev dixit can think bout romancing his ex wifey even on sadak .

Coffee shop scenes 're also nice .Vicky is spying on dev n sona & seemed like he's upto something. Maa beta will end up digging their own grave very soon. Btw, wat hapnd to mamaji ? He was there to help the kids bake cake for dev sona anniversary but soon after that he gayab. He was nt even there for the cake cutting 😕 Ohh shayad pyari behna ko laane, Vaishno Devi temple gaya hoga 🤪

Mamiji again turned out to b the real devakshi shipper . She made snake entry in summer camp which resulted in dev n sona falling together in the cot , then jungle moments . Now this "medicated juice ".. 😉 mamiji y u opted for transparent lime juice ? (Aap ke akal ki toh...kisi ki nazar na lage !) Santara yaa aam nahi mili kya ? I'm still enjoying ishwari free episodes but i know ,for the story to go further , ishwari 's presence is very much needed. Btw, sona falling for more ishwari than dev 😕. Nevertheless i'm enjoying the show

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ltelidevara

@ltelidevara

Sparkler

+ 8

Posted: 8 years ago

#90

Robbing a bank (let me correct it, a family.. See the state of my brain) puts a blemish on Ishwari's character but in no way, it puts a taint on either Dev's character or his success...

Dev's character are a result of his own beliefs and actions and his success is because of the innumerable hours that he has put in, to achieve his and his family's dreams..

And, since... Wait a minute...

Okay, let me begin once again...

So, again, it doesn't match with the idea of @Sam's idea of the 'bada school' which would allow him to access the rich and powerful of the society..

@ Harry Fan

You just echoed my thoughts in such a way that I now feel at peace with my thought process. Since two days this topic is being discussed and I just couldn't come out of this till I read your thoughts now.

For the first time I differed with my favourite writer Shaavi who said Dev is just the caretaker of his property if Iswari's theft turns out to be active ( as Shaavi referred to)

Sam elaborated the positives of getting admitted in a good school stressing on the importance of learning English well. I agree communication skills play the most pivotal role in helping a person reach the level and get the desired results in any field.But like you mentioned Dev could develop such prowess in English and communication skills even though he studied in a govt school. These days there are many avenues for personality development.

Any way I am satisfied now for whatever I said in my posts regarding the topic.

Harry fan !

I take this opportunity to say I loved all your posts but could not convey it till now. Looking forward to read more such awesome posts from you.

Like you said Iswari's theft may have helped Dev educate himself but the end result depended on him only. Dev need not feel indebted but should certainly stand by the family who must have suffered on account of Iswari's theft. Still nothing is cleared till now. We can only assume and take stand...

Lakshmi