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aarcha

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Posted: 8 years ago

#51

Great discussions everyone !

Ishwari.. IMO, ishwari is nt deserving any empathy or sympathy bcoz until now she's showing no signs of remorse , instead she's still blaming " voh ladki " in dev's life , sonakshi. Actually it's nt bout sona, if there's any other girl in dev's life, ishwari'll react in this way only.

In the earlier episodes, during neha's engagement to sameer , his mother demanded that dev shud marry sameer's sis , saloni bcoz of neha's exceptional conditions. Dev was bout to agree to that jst for the sake of his sis, but ishwari rejected that alliance.

During natasha engagement also ishwari was nt very happy still she didn show it. But during that time, dev realised his luv for sona & called off the engagement . ishwari didn question that decision for once , instead supported dev saying dev jo bhi karega, soch samach kar hi karegaa.. She used to tell him that within his happiness lies, her's. But was she genuine on that ? Ofcourse nt. Dev's happiness was always sonakshi . Did ishwari acknowledge that @ least for once ? Never.

Wen dev-sona affair came into picture , ishwari cudn admit the fact that dev decided something for himself. Dev said to sona " i want u for myself" . Y shudn he ? after all, he's ishwari's son who wants her son for herself ,nt even want to share with his own siblings . (Even neha wanted ranveer for herself alone , that's y she wanted to live separately . So this possessiveness n selfishness hav become some characteristic traits for this dixits .) It was said that during ishwari's b days, dev used to take her outside but ishwari will nt allow her other kids coming along. Watsoever b the reasons , the word mother is sometimes nt applicable to ishwari, sad but true.

After the sleeping pills drama & dev-sona brk up, wen neha confronted ishwari about these, she said that sona was nt suitable for dev. Then neha asked her that if it's sona or any girl . Dev confronted his mother in drunken state , after breaking sona ritwick rishta , ishwari feared that she'll loose her son for ever , she decided to bring sona bak into dev;s life. After the marriage ,she admits to mamaji that sona is too good that she's feeling afraid that dev may forget his responsibilities towards his family. But her deceitful way of making dev sign the prenup was something beyond imagination ( only beyond dreams can make such a concept..jst kidding !! ) . Who'll think bout a divorce even b4 the marriage ??

The main problem of ishwari is that she cudn consider sona as a family member. Had she considered sona as a family member , those horrendous incidents leading to dev- sona separation wudn hav hapnd , even if mamiji instigated or vicky manipulated things . So i'm sorry to say , character of ishwari always leaves a sour taste in me . But i don mind liking her if she realises her mistakes ..after all life's all bout forgiving n forgetting ( most cliched dialogue !! 😆 )

P.S. Dev seemed to b flirting with all ladies, be that golu's teacher or sona's staff. But a simple monologue as how much he tried , but he cud never evr forget or cheat sona after this separated gap of 7 yrs, i think, i cud easily forgiv dev bcoz as a person he's very straight forward & selfless ( His intentions r always right but execution is nt ) . Jst my POV 😃

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sia.krpkab

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Posted: 8 years ago

#52

Take a bow - this is truly a honest and realistic picture of how we differentiate god from bad. Every action and reaction has reasons, but there is nothing that can explain bad behavior. Period.
Zero tolerance towards such an MIL (like Ish) and husband (Like how Dev has been to Sona).

Originally posted by: JShukla
@ Sam, while your analysis is good, it is totally biased to women with sons. what about women with daughters and no husband or a husband who does not love u?
Also its difficult to empathise with a woman who has not been wronged but still chooses to wrong others and blames the ones she has wronged?

How about millions of strong women for example like Sonakshi's' Dida( a widow) who never once thought that Asha and Bijoy can throw her out?

All said and done Ishwari is definitely not deserving of sympathy because of her utter lack of remorse. Dont get me wrong. I read your analysis and appreciate how you have a way with words. but they fail to garner any sympathy for Ishwari..still!

A woman who allows her own biological family to stay in her house does not understand that her DIL may want her biological family to be respected and treated with love in her house? How is this behavior acceptable and understandable even with all the limitations of patriarchial set up.

However I liked your analysis because you have not failed to point out that women like Ishwari rate their own happiness and what they want on a very high scale. They negotiate little on that front. She's always wanted her own happiness. Nothing wrong in that. But its wrong to not acknolwedge this at least to yourself.

I think the paramount reason for her bad behaviour or for that matter of any MIL to mistreat their DIL is the power that they feel they hold over their sons. So this theory of in security makes is difficult to reach my brain and connect there😆. If they were insecure of their own position, they would not want to mess with the one person (DIL) they feel is influencial in the household. But they derive a sadistic pleasure in meting out ugly treatment coz they once received it. this is a lowest of low reason and hence I feel deserves no empathy.

Dev in his current avatar is actually taking care of all her needs financial(which as per you is paramount for her) as well as some of the emotional ones too. Now why does she still need to blame Sonakshi. Why she has no thoughts on how a total destitute bankrupt family would have coped?

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Samanalyse

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Posted: 8 years ago

#53

@JShukla: I like to talk about characters when they are most vulnerable, rather than when they are at their best, because I think those moments provide the most thought-provoking material. However, I have always loved to talk about the characters in this show in all of their shades; I've been on this forum for too long not to! I made the post about Ishwari today because Shaavi's amazing post inspired me to think about why she behaves the way she does. I am similarly happy to discuss any topic that arouses my interest.

For all my fellow Potterheads, I like dissecting Ishwari for the same reason Dumbledore felt it was necessary for Harry to understand Voldemort's history before he fought him. At one point, when they are visiting the memory of Voldemort's birth, Harry notes that his mother didn't want to stay alive for her own child, and Dumbledore asks him, you're not feeling sorry for him, are you Harry? Similarly, even though Ishwari is the primary antagonist to Sona and Dev's love story, I think it is necessary to understand where that attitude comes from before we begin to address it in our own ways.

As for Dev and Sona, of course an equal marriage is the only way, and is in fact what both of them wanted. But what they didn't bargain for, as a team, is that there would be resistance to this idea on a day-to-day basis in Ishwari nivas. Say you are opening a school for girls in a very traditional, patriarchal set up. There is no doubt that you are doing something good, but does that mean you ignore the resistance and danger you are inevitably going to face? No, you have to take the necessary safety precautions, make some allies in the village and figure out why people don't want to educate their daughters so that you can begin to put your case forward. That pragmatism was missing from Dev and Sona. And I can go on about this, but I'll stop for now.

Ishwari was never happy with Neha demanding material comfort in her sasural. Remember she told Ranveer not to buy Neha gifts when he got her those earrings? Plus, she never supported Neha in front of DB during Devakshi's wedding, and allowed her to present Sona with that set knowing it would hurt Ranveer's pride. Ishwari was of the general opinion that a bahu was responsible for staying no matter what. Neha got her support for divorce only because of Ishwari's guilt over her childhood, not because she thought it was okay.

@DQ: Again, I think it was the divide between concept and reality. Love marriage vs. the way Dev and Sona actually acted, Dev's love vs. the person Sona was. Ishwari's brief moment of clarity during fake pregnancy showed that she saw both sides of the coin, but her fear always consumed her rational thinking and what she could see before her eyes. Somehow she couldn't stop projecting her fears onto Sona instead of seeing Sona for what she was until that moment.

@Payal: I think that extra obsessiveness of Ishwari came from the experiences of their past. They did not have a normal life, or a normal parent-child relationship for her to have normal insecurities. Ishwari thought she had brought Dev this far on her merit, so her decisions must be right. She refused to consider the role of her emotions in all of this. Just like she insisted she didn't need any physical care, when Sona was first introduced as her nutritionist, she is always insisting that she doesn't have emotional needs either, which is obviously not the case. And in preserving this image of herself as a selfless being, she is, as you rightly pointed out, willfully oblivious to Dev's pain. Again, I put a lot of the blame on a society which brainwashes women into thinking they won't be accepted or loved if they express their own desires instead of living solely for others.

Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago

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Drcs

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Posted: 8 years ago

#54

@shavi excellent analysis of Ish wanted to comment earlier but got busy...(I understood your points and knew that you are just playing devil's advocate without supporting her)... though I agree you have valid points there, somehow I don't agree with Ish that she has toiled hard to educate her kids...isn't that her responsibility? As a parent she is liable to take care of her kids...since she is illetrate she did manual jobs to take care of her family...an educated woman would have undergone the same pressures when left alone to take care of her kids...ish in this case did it for selfish reasons...she never give due credits to Dev...he worked hard,didn't deviate from his path, avoided all distractions, never complained to Ish that he never had perfect childhood like his friends, and focused on his goals to reach where he is...in the dixit family its joint effort by all members contributed to their current prosperous living...I believe underpinning pblm was magnifying ishwari's actions and holding her in high pedestal...some woman can't take undue attention it straight goes into their head that's what has happened in this case...(sorry Im not being judgemental here...lack of exposures make some people believe that they have done so much...sometimes noone pointing out their mistakes make live in fools paradise...Ish surrounded by people who live under her mercy hence noone showed her the mirror)

Another eg of her hypocrisy is her brother and family are staying in their house and she fought with her son to give managerial position to her dodgy nephew but couldn't accept her DIL's family is being helped by her son...there are so many Ishwaries in real world and unfortunately sons like Dev sometimes inadvertently contributes in their making...

@sam I loved your take on patriarchal societies...this is the reason undue importance was given for begetting sons...

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Danseuse

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Posted: 8 years ago

#55

Originally posted by: sjain
The major concern which I am feeling is the blame for Dev's condition will instantly come on Sonakshi and this will complicate situation further for Dev Sonakshi. Next with vickey's involvement what will happen in dixit house..will he and his family be out of the house?? will again due to Ishwari they will continue to stay. Also , the thought that disturbs me here is Ishwari will be her over interfering self and have to bear her emotional creepy state..she will insist on taking care of Dev further scaring the shit out of me ..she will get full on chance to again say bad about Sonakshi and Dev will not be even able to shut her up due to his frail health.Oh I am in overthinking mode[/DIV]

It's possible that Vicky and XGKB brainwash Ishwari into believing that Sonakshi took revenge on Dev for locking her in office. 😛 Then obviously Ishwari would emotionally blackmail Dev - 'main tumhe khona nahin chahati. Sonakshi tumhari zindagi se hamesha ke liye chali kyon nahin jaati?' And Sonakshi enters with Suhana!! Isliye!! 😃 But, I think Creatives need to allow them to meet in school. Kids are not allowed in hospitals, unless it's for treatment, so Suhana -Dev meeting may not happen so fast. Let's wait for this scene to play out.

-Rekha

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_Payalj_

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Posted: 8 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

@Payal: I think that extra obsessiveness of Ishwari came from the experiences of their past. They did not have a normal life, or a normal parent-child relationship for her to have normal insecurities. Ishwari thought she had brought Dev this far on her merit, so her decisions must be right. She refused to consider the role of her emotions in all of this. Just like she insisted she didn't need any physical care, when Sona was first introduced as her nutritionist, she is always insisting that she doesn't have emotional needs either, which is obviously not the case. And in preserving this image of herself as a selfless being, she is, as you rightly pointed out, willfully oblivious to Dev's pain. Again, I put a lot of the blame on a society which brainwashes women into thinking they won't be accepted or loved if they express their own desires instead of living solely for others.

Sam, I am a single mother. After my divorce I got a lot of marriage proposals, one even from my brother in law as my cousin had died in an accident leaving behind a young child. There was obviously a lot of pressure from my entire family for the marriage. But I didn't budge as I felt that it will not be right for my emotionally vulnerable child. OK my son was young at that time.

But now he is old enough to understand a lot of things. I recently got a proposal from a guy who was a director in a company and was divorced. I asked my son if he would be OK with it, he refused and I rejected the proposal.

But has my son ever felt grateful to me? Has he ever said my mummy has made so many sacrifices for me? No, never. Does that I am a bad parent?

I don't think so. In my opinion a child should never ever be made to feel indebted to his or her parents for whatever they do for him. It is like a fundamental right. In India we are not supposed to feel thankful for enjoying our fundamental rights. But when we get even one single right in Syria, we thank heaven. India is a democracy and you know about Syria.

That's the difference. Ishwari made her fundamental duties into a great sacrifice she made for her children and converted their fundamental rights into a precious boon they got because of her sacrifices. She behaved like an autocrat.

I know now someone will say that Ishwari suffered a lot of financial hardships and that is why her outlook was different. I quoted this once earlier also somewhere. My grandparents lost everything in partition. They were very rich earlier but were literally on the streets thereafter. To pay my father's engineering fees they even had to forego their dinner for several days. But they never told this to anyone. Not even my father. He was told this by his chacha.

Normal parents consider providing for the children their duty. They don't expect payment or devotion in return. They don't even let the child feel they have suffered

Edited by _Payalj_ - 8 years ago

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timbarucha83

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Posted: 8 years ago

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@_Payalj_

Your point is right. Even my father also face a very bad experiences in childhood there was a situation where there was no assurance that the family will get the food at night. But I was very fortunate to get the father who allow me to take the decision on my wish. At certain point he was not happy with my decisions but he respected my decision and allow me to take my own decisions.

Some how for Ishu's this behavior his brother is more responsible he indirectly or directly always support the Ishu's behavior and glorified the Ishu's struggle. I agree that its was not easy to fight for day today needs but some how mamji always put the indirect burden on dev to give the preference to Ishu.

He never take the pain to tell her that she is wrong and always gives a half Gyan to every one and never control his wife and son.

And honestly I am not understanding what is the use of mamji's character in season 2.

Edited by timbarucha83 - 8 years ago

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Deepa

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Posted: 8 years ago

#58

@Rekha:

Frankly I would love to see that open ending of an understanding Devakshi who are grown enough to see their faults and unite later just for each other's sake (and not for any other commitments) but within their comfortable time frame left to viewer's imagination. This will definitely please all kinds of audience who wish to see a matured ending as well.

@JShukla:

This forum is too small for us to not meet again and I knew you would die to see that ending😆. Why I didn't consider Dev's lashes before the end of season 1 as below the belt is because of his emotional instability that time. Those words were more of the pain and anger in return to the betrayal he received for his love, for his own weird conscience to show he was crossed instead of accepting that his love has lead to his downfall/heartbreak . He can't believe that Dev Dixit can be this vulnerable and hence the targeted lashes towards Sona. I am not saying what he said was right, but they were are not intentional towards Sona but merely a coverup for himself to detach from that love.

But this time, he was very much in his senses, calm and composed but said those words merely to rile up or test Sona which is why it was below the belt.

@ taara113 :

I totally understand your plight my friend. Few years back even I have been in that bubble of expecting everything rosy and cozy when it comes to fiction. But my last series "happy ending" left a very bad taste and I realized sometimes its good to not show that "happily ever after" just for the sake after all.

But don't worry, unconventional ending can means the open ending too where viewers can imagine their choice of happiness without compromising the realism which was the soul of KRPKAB once😳. I always wanted KRPKAB to show the complications in married life and how the couple tackle them united in a realistic way as a learning curve for young minds but from the rushed first patch-up, they have shown so far how the couples shouldn't be instead...more dramatically 😆 But don't worry, we are simply over analyzing stuffs here and the end is left to the creatives who can twist their way when that time comes. Cheer up and enjoy the show with your hope intact !

@Payal :

I agree to your points and somewhere deep down even I know its too risky to show such an end. But even the break up in season 1 was unexpected. Both had so much love and trust but all was stomped under some weird foolish circumstances and situations just for some abrupt breakup for 7 long years. We did have so many theories why this leap was needed but after watching the episodes till last week in season 2 , am questioning myself was this leap necessary because everyone was still the same except the hard exteriors. Why did the makers wanted to show their love as so hollow? With recent hurls and accuses from both sides , I won't be surprised if the makers take up KRB logics again instead of TRP logics😆.

With all that said , people I still would love to see a happy Dev staring his lovely Sona every morning in "their" bed unless both are not their dopplegangers, else I will be happy to see them dreaming about each other from elsewhere with the hope of being in "their" bed together one day😆

@Sam & Payal : Some lovely discussions on Ishwari👏

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Drcs

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Posted: 8 years ago

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@payal exactly my point...every parent sacrifice for the wellbeing of their children...its their responsibility...the issue here is everyone in the dixit family is reminded by either Ish or Mamaji about Ish's sacrifices...Ish should thank her stars that her kids have been respectful and benevolent towards her...if one of them ask her"you brought us to this world isnt it your responsibility to take care of us? ". From that day she would have stopped this drama of gratitude towards family and her famous dialogue of "es family ne bahooth kuch diya hai tumein"...its a stigma in our society that mothers can claim their sacrifices but the moment children question then from that moment they will be branded as disrespectful and ruthless...Ish has taken care of her family and undergone many hardships however that doesn't give her a leeway to be unreasonable and selfish...

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vayu_prachi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#60

OMG!! 😲
8 pages already and the first episode for the week isn't even aired...wow 👏
Kudos to all the brilliant minds for contributing 👏
And thanks a ton to Sam Di and DQ for providing such a wonderful platform for both analysts and readers like me 😃