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Posted: 8 years ago
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Congratulations on the new thread crazy analysts 😉. I simply love to read and admire all your exceptional thought process on these 23 min episodes👏 I am 100% sure even the makers haven't put so much thinking into their product, one peek into this thread and they can pat themselves for dishing a product with so much depth without them even knowing😆. Hats off to all you smarty pants here !


And please let me join the squad of " sucker of romantics"😆. No matter how cinematic it may get , am all for Sona expressing her vulnerable heart to the defeated Dev (Even I have those grudges of Sona not expressing her angst, her pain of losing him to Natasha, her depth of love, etc etc during the confession and more on that day when Dev pinned her to the wall expressing his desire to know about her every minute details, huh the golden days of KRPKAB)

Shaavi thats an interesting thought again, infact I was thinking about these lines about Ishwari but empathy is beyond my senses now for her. Makers have successfully butchered a beautiful layered character into a selfish confused one. Since am all about second chances I may not completely hate but am surely disappointed and lost hope wrt her.

I may not have a popular opinion here but I absolutely hate woman victimizing themselves. I believe woman are emotionally much more stronger and can handle any dire situations better than man who always need another woman's support be it mother, wife, daughter, mentor, etc for their emotional stability. There is a reason woman are brought to this world, not to fight for equality because she is far superior than man IMO but because to make man a better person and co-exist in this strange world instead of fighting for superiority. I always hold another woman responsible for every human's behavior be it man /woman. This is the reason am not able fully to blame Dev or Vicky for their actions but Ishwari and Ex-GKB instead. I always blame a mother who consoles a crying son not to cry like a girl instead of cultivating the habit of not making another woman cry ! A broken plant can be brought back to life by care and ample protection but what if the seed sowed itself is faulty?!😳

Forgot to add, does anyone else think that KRPKAB will not have a traditional ending of Devakshi happily ever after?. After those below the belt lashes from both sides, I will not be surprised if Dev and Sona part amicably and sharing Suhana peacefully. If makers are forward enough to show Neha remarrying and settling abroad (I doubt that she is still with Ranveer), I can see they can show a historical ending to Devakshi as well. I mean the title can be interpreted that even those failed love is another color of love?!😳


P.S : Thanks to everyone's wishes and prayers. I will surely pass on the messages. We were actually more shocked about the revelation on a mere physical checkup rather than the illness itself. But she bounced back and acted pretty quickly and is recovering very well now !!

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: gt2918

Hi everone.This is the first time I'm posting here. had a few ideas which could make the leap look realistic-

1.They could show that Dev was fully aware about Sona's business ventures and kept a track of it.They could keep the Soha thing hidden from him by showing that Sona always kept Soha away from the media and maintained a very low profile with respect to her personal life and Soha.Furthur Dev was never really into Sona's personal life firstly because he would be fine if she moved on with some other guy and secondly because he never really thought that Sona could ever get pregnant.The media thing is a bit unreasonable but it's better than showing that he was completely unaware of sona's whereabouts.
2.The second idea is a bit dramatic but I feel it could prove to be a game changer if implemented.They could show that Dev was fully aware about Soha.Dev came to know that sona was pregnant and tried to reach out to her but then remembered the decisive clause of the prenup which entitled Sona to be the sole guardian of their kid in case of a separation.He also remembered the nasty things he said to her on that fateful night.How would he face sona and soha after all that ? What would he tell his daughter ? That he asked her mother to get out of his house.This feeling of guilt literally crushed his conscience.He decided that he would not interfere in their lives until Sona herself informed him about their daughter.The fact that he had a daughter somehow kept him alive and hopeful.He hid this from his family because he was sure that they would want to get hold of Soha by hook or by crook (Imagine Ishwari's reaction if this happened).7 years later now that he has met Sona he is frustrated that she is still not ready to disclose the truth to him.That is making him behave irrationally.I want this to happen because Dev's current behaviour cannot be simply attributed to pain and anger, there has to be a deeper reason to make it look reasonable.Furthur this would help greatly in Dev's redemption which looks improbable at the moment.
I am sorry if any of you found my suggestions lame.If anyone likes my suggestions could they please tweet this to mamta ma'am because I don't use Twitter.I was planning to write an OS keeping in mind the second point.Do tell me what you'll think of these points.
Cheers ! Have a good day everyone.


@bold: BRAVO !!👏 I won't lie if I say I didn't think about this angle but discarded this thought taking Dev's emotional instability into consideration. But if the makers take this out-of-the box idea you mentioned above, KRPKAB will surely live upto its title !
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: gt2918

Hi everone.This is the first time I'm posting here. had a few ideas which could make the leap look realistic-

1.They could show that Dev was fully aware about Sona's business ventures and kept a track of it.They could keep the Soha thing hidden from him by showing that Sona always kept Soha away from the media and maintained a very low profile with respect to her personal life and Soha.Furthur Dev was never really into Sona's personal life firstly because he would be fine if she moved on with some other guy and secondly because he never really thought that Sona could ever get pregnant.The media thing is a bit unreasonable but it's better than showing that he was completely unaware of sona's whereabouts.
2.The second idea is a bit dramatic but I feel it could prove to be a game changer if implemented.They could show that Dev was fully aware about Soha.Dev came to know that sona was pregnant and tried to reach out to her but then remembered the decisive clause of the prenup which entitled Sona to be the sole guardian of their kid in case of a separation.He also remembered the nasty things he said to her on that fateful night.How would he face sona and soha after all that ? What would he tell his daughter ? That he asked her mother to get out of his house.This feeling of guilt literally crushed his conscience.He decided that he would not interfere in their lives until Sona herself informed him about their daughter.The fact that he had a daughter somehow kept him alive and hopeful.He hid this from his family because he was sure that they would want to get hold of Soha by hook or by crook (Imagine Ishwari's reaction if this happened).7 years later now that he has met Sona he is frustrated that she is still not ready to disclose the truth to him.That is making him behave irrationally.I want this to happen because Dev's current behaviour cannot be simply attributed to pain and anger, there has to be a deeper reason to make it look reasonable.Furthur this would help greatly in Dev's redemption which looks improbable at the moment.
I am sorry if any of you found my suggestions lame.If anyone likes my suggestions could they please tweet this to mamta ma'am because I don't use Twitter.I was planning to write an OS keeping in mind the second point.Do tell me what you'll think of these points.
Cheers ! Have a good day everyone.


I really liked your second point. agree to that in toto...

Will wait for your OS.

Though, knowing Dev, its unlikely that he will not meet his daughter or will not know how she looks like. remember, he saw her in the car with Sona.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Gr8 going guys , Sam n DQ , its refreshing to see that more people are joining ur thread , and have healthy discussions , instead of making some accusing/bashing posts , I feel its easy to get carried away by strong emotions with what makers are showing now and hate some characters hence extreme reactions in the forum . Still happy to know that there are still people who like to join the discussions in these threads especially after reading the disclaimer 😉 . Sorry I could not join you guys last week and have busy weeks ahead , will try to come here whenever its possible .
Last week we have seen some cracks in the mask they were wearing . Dev's reactions to Vicky's accusations on Sona , even after the pizza , deciding to have food Ishwari made and scolding her for preparing food - As I told before , he still cares a lot for the two women whom he loved more than anything in the world !!!! Likewise Sona's facade of indifference was also falling . Sona can say as much as she wants that she wish to have a peaceful life without getting mingled up with Dev and she doesnt care about old wounds , but it still hurts a lot and she does want some payback . Thats the truth, its not about retaliating , she wants revenge , so better not pretend and be open about it , after all you have every right to do that 😆 !!! Now till now for Dev , it was some kiddish games , whether it was stealing her thunder or locking her up in the office . His mischievous smile while Golu was getting scolded remembering , how Sona is gonna be furious when she finds out or Dev telling her its not silly as she thinks it is , when the IT guys came , proved how he viewed those fights .

But all the while I was curious about one thing . Now both of them are giving enough reasons to each other ,to keep up the facade . But what will happen when they see each other beyond that mask . Dev always admired Sona's work ethics ,the way she handles people , and how strong and independent she is . Last week after a long time he witnessed it when she was giving the speech to her employees and the way she handled the clients, and it made him uncomfortable for sure . Likewise despite what she told during breakup that he was pretending to be good , she admired Dev's goodness and the care and concern he showed to others . Like a reminder to herself she keeps on repeating him being a mamma's boy , or weak person who wont own up to his mistakes , whenever she gets a chance . So what will happen she learns about this new Dev . ( She was more than shocked when Dev admitted it without much resistance when the police came to hotel and asked him if he was trying to get into her room) How would they react to it when they are put in some vulnerable situations ? If Sona comes to know about Ishwari's current situation,is it going to make her happy or does she still care for Ishwari enough to sympathize ? I'm more than excited to find out !!! 😊


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Posted: 8 years ago
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@ shaavi one more brilliant analysis. Though u have bought out a perspective of ishwari by trying to step into her shoes but try how much ever am not able to make excuses for her. She is beyond my empathy as i ve seen my mom suffer at the hands of one such.. But really appreciate the effort u have put into make ppl understand such characters.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: deepsel

Forgot to add, does anyone else think that KRPKAB will not have atraditional ending of Devakshi happily ever after?. After those below the belt lashes fromboth sides, I will not be surprised if Dev and Sona part amicably and sharing Suhana peacefully. Ifmakers are forward enough to show Neharemarrying and settling abroad (I doubt that she is still with Ranveer), I can see they can show a historical ending to Devakshi as well. I mean the title can beinterpreted that even those failed love is another color of love?![/DIV]



Yes. I think the title "Kuch Rang Pyar Ke Aise Bhi" can also be used in this manner and I won't be disappointed at all. But the way the characters have been shown post leap, it's pretty evident that they do have feelings for each other, which is hidden and swept aside. While Dev is trying to show that he has changed, the look in his eyes when he looks at Sonakshi has a perpetual question,"How could you just walk away from me? Didn't we decide to stand together always. Look what you have done to me!" He still wants her and refuses to admit that he was also wrong!! Sonakshi on the other hand, has chosen to keep a very stoic, business like exterior, while there appears to be a vulnerability inside her, which she has learnt to hide! Dev has also moved away from Ishwari, which was completely unexpected. So the chances of them living separately would be welcome as both can be given time to lead their lives they want to and let 'kismat' decide, if they would ever come together!!!! If both understand their mistakes and admit them, an open ending would be great. It would be more practical and realistic and viewers can be left with a hope that they would eventually come together!



-Rekha
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: deepsel



Forgot to add, does anyone else think that KRPKAB will not have a traditional ending of Devakshi happily ever after?. After those below the belt lashes from both sides, I will not be surprised if Dev and Sona part amicably and sharing Suhana peacefully. If makers are forward enough to show Neha remarrying and settling abroad (I doubt that she is still with Ranveer), I can see they can show a historical ending to Devakshi as well. I mean the title can be interpreted that even those failed love is another color of love?!😳


Wohoo... now this will surely be path breaking for me.I would really like this ending you suggested. Lets see what they have in mind but with Dev wounded and love lorn Sona crying by his bedside scene coming up it not likely

BTW, Deepa, hello again. Somehow you always post something that I just have to have to quote😆

But unlike you I felt Dev;s below the belt lashes started that day at farm house '' its good that you can't be a mother because you are incapable of being a good mother'; "you married me so you can put your useless brother on track" you married me for money" you can never earn enough "...

now off course Sona has joined the bandwagon.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Shaavi: Excellent analysis of Ishwari! Like you so beautifully pointed out, Ishwari's insecurities, to a large extent, come from the defeciencies in our society. We teach women that their role is to be dependent on, and therefore obedient to men, and we don't prepare them for eventualities like the one Ishwari had to face as a young widow with four children and absolutely no support. Even in ideal circumstances, women that belong to this patriarchal system are usually married to men they barely know, and are expected to serve him and his family tirelessly for the majority of their lives. Their only respite comes when they have a son, on whom they lavish all of their love, affection, and effort, and if they are lucky, get to enjoy the benefits of their lifelong toil when their son becomes head of the household. When that is the case, it is in the woman's best interests that the son marries someone he barely knows, so that the mother retains her dominant position in the household by being the one her son turns to first.

The glaring flaw in this system is that women are not allowed to claim the material benefits of their efforts. For everything Ishwari achieved in those years since her husband's demise (and it's no mean feat), she has only Dev's success to show for it. Because of her gender, despite all of her hard work, she is still just as much at risk of finding herself back in that helpless position if Dev so chooses. Ishwari is also highly invested in the idea of the perfect widow-mother, who has no desires of her own and lives only for her children. This trope is second nature to those of us familiar with Indian pop culture ("mere paas ma hain!"), and we often accept it without question, but what happens in real life, and what this show is great at depicting, is that these women do have their own desires, strong personal desires which they are taught to believe it is selfish to express. So they cloak their own personal desire in narratives about their children's happiness and well-being. When Ishwari broke the vase, she was saying to Dev, "I want you to study all the time so we can get ourselves out of poverty," but that went against Dev's immediate happiness, so instead, she communicated her desire indirectly, "if you don't study, I suffer." This made the desire to study Dev's own, so she gets what she wants without actually asking for it.

Underlying all of this is a deep, embedded mistrust of men. Because for one, men's violence is sanctioned in this system, women have to emply these indirect means for self-preservation, and also because men have the power to give and take away, to switch their attention/resources to another, at a moment's notice without being accountable to women. This was why Ishwari was so scared of Dev and Sona having sex, because in a patriarchal system, sex is viewed as one of the only tools women have to exert power over men, and a very powerful tool at that. That is where RR's horrid talk about Sona as a seductress, snaring the innocent Dev, came into play.

There is no concept of a mutually supportive love between equals, but rather "love" is seen as nothing more than eliciting the man's lust in order to exercise power over him. That's why Ishwari had so much trouble with Sona as Dev's girlfriend and wife, despite liking her as a person, and it's also why she has no way to understand why Sona left. According to her, Dev had given Sona too much power, because he was carried away in his feelings, and all Ishwari was trying to do was mediate that on his behlaf (because men are too dumb understand when women are manipulating them). When Sona left him, Dev was supposed to come around and say, Ma was right all along; I shouldn't have given Sona so much power, but by this time the adult Dev that Ishwari has always ignored and only Sona acknowledged took charge of his life.

The saddest part is that Ishwari is a better product of this insufficient system; I think she was lavished with enough love and validation in her early life, that she had a great deal of inner-strength and integrity that saw her through when her husband left her alone with four kids. Radharani doesn't even have that. If evil is the absence of love, then RR is a perfect example. Mamaji told Dev that he loved someone before marriage, and was forced into this alliance with RR. I shudder to think the young Mami who found herself in a loveless marriage with a condescending husband. She probably spoiled Vicky because he was all she had for herself. Ishwari was to Mami as Sona was to Neha, the contemporary who got everything she wanted, seemingly without effort. Just like Ishwari had no vocabulary to understand Sona and Dev, RR has no vocabulary to understand how one might invest in education and do honest, hard work for long-term success. As much as we would like to think so, these aren't concepts that are innately human.

So once again, it becomes a question of language and translation. How do you convey new concepts to a generation embedded in older, opposing ideas? How do you help people who had defecient guidance, instead of blaming them for the disadvantages that were imposed upon them by a biased society? This is why I find it impossible to hate Ishwari, despite all the horrible things that have resulted from her actions. She is severely disadvantaged, and therefore blind to her own achievements. She is unable to trust Dev completely because of conditioning, and at this point, she is just lost, with Dev's attitude going completely over her head.
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Originally posted by: Shaavi

Today I wanted to talk about Ishwari. I am not saying what she did or doing is right nor blaming Sonakshi for everything. But when I saw her justifying herself in this way, I started to think how can a person who is otherwise kind and sensible be this way. So thought of looking at it from her perspective and this is what I feel.

The flashback where she gets slapped because Dev was playing cricket is not jus a defining moment for Dev, but is also the one which defined Ishwari. Coming from the traditional patriarchal family, after her husband's death saw Dev as the savior, as her only hope. She wanted Dev to bring them out of that state of poverty but ensure that they never would see those days. The day she got herself slapped, she took the first decision on behalf of Dev. That day Dev lost himself while Ishwari found herself. From then onwards it was Ishwari who defined the do's and don't's of Dev. Anytime Dev did the do's and it yeilded the result that she was looking for, it made her happy. But on the other hand if he did something that was a don't (like eating ice cream and falling sick), she would be very unhappy. Slowly Dev started to follow only the do's so that Ishwari wouldn't be unhappy. He started defining his happiness only by her happiness.

Ishwari on the other hand started to feel good about defining the do's and don'ts for Dev. She started believing that Dev can only be happy when he follows her do's. This I think was also reinforced by remarks from society. I mean when you see someone one else's kid listening to their mom while your own kid refuses makes you want the "good kid". In S1 it was shown how several mothers praised Dev in front of Ishwari and express a wish of wanting a son like Dev. Ishwari became convinced that what she was doing was not wrong. That what she was doing was for Dev's own good. She believed that only she knows what he wants and what makes him happy. She never saw him as more than a kid, in fact an 8 yr old kid who did not know how to make the right choices. For Ishwari Dev never grew.

Then Dev fell in love with Sonakshi. When Ishwari came to know she was surprised. She could not believe how Dev could be happy when she wasn't. So she told herself that Dev was doing one of the don'ts and this would only lead to his misery. From her perspective she thought Dev could never be happy with someone like Sonakshi. Because Sonakshi did not meet her definition of an ideal bahu. Most of the time what Ishwari had seen was Sonakshi arguing with Dev or vice versa and them fighting. How can a couple be happy when they are fighting? So Dev's decision is wrong. He needs to be protected from making a mistake(Ishwari's thought process). But she saw that Dev was really happy with his choice, his decision to marry Sonakshi. She could not really tell him the truth nor could she accept his decision. She overdosed on the pills.

When Dev and Sonakshi broke up, Ishwari genuinely thought that it was for the best. That Sonakshi was not suitable for Dev. But after the engagement fiasco and Dev's confrontation, she decided to accept his decision and asked Dev to marry Sonakshi. She herself went and got the acceptance from Sonakshi. She wanted to do everything to make Dev happy and tried to tell herself that Dev is now a grown man and should be able to make his own decision.

After the wedding whenever she saw Dev do something with Sonakshi where her happiness or her vision was not met, she became unhappy. Dev who always wanted his mom to be happy as he was accustomed to do bent over backwards to make her happy. Since Ishwari was convinced that Dev can only be happy when she was she came to the conclusion that Dev was not really happy with Sonakshi. The arguments that happened between Dev and Sonakshi reinforced her perspective. As time passed she did try to accept Sonakshi, but always felt that she was not suitable for HER DEV. She felt Sonakshi was taking him away from his dream, his desires, his wishes which was actually hers(Ishwari's). But since before Dev had never expressed having a dream or desire, Ishwari assumed that her's and Dev's dream and desires were the same. Just like how his playing cricket took him away from his responsibilities, marrying Sonakshi did the same.

When the infertility and the 5cr fiasco happened, Ishwari thought Dev had done all this because he was forced by Sonakshi. Her Dev wouldn't do such a thing to his mom. Did her Dev not know that she wanted a grandchild. Did Her Dev not know how she felt about giving his money to someone. Since all these decisions were taken by Dev without consulting her, they yielded wrong results. They did not meet the results she was looking for. Once Ishwari came to the conclusion that she must protect her Dev from Sonakshi, his bad decision.


Even now she firmly believes that all the fault is Sonakshi's and Dev's error in understanding Sonakshi. If Sonakshi had not fought with Dev or did not have any expectations from him and was ready to live as defined by Ishwari, then Dev would be happy(Ishwari's POV). Since Sonakshi demanded certain rights from Dev, Dev was miserable. Once again reaffirming her perspective that Dev and Sonakshi were not for each other. That Dev's decision was wrong and she was right.

After the breakup, when Dev blamed Ishwari as responsible, She could not understand that. How can she be wrong when she knows what's best for Dev. All the decisions that she had taken on his behalf were
right. That she knows her Dev better. Hence she holds Sonakshi responsible for everything. She thinks Dev is not happy as he is now. That his happiness lies only with her.

She will continue to hold Sonakshi responsible till the time 2 truths come out --
1) Vickky's betrayal and actions. This is very crucial to come out. It should be the whole truth I.e. Vickky and maami's hand in breaking up Dev-Sonakshi, Vickky's involvement in the business scam, his intention of killing Dev and of course their greed.


2) Suhana. When Ishwari comes to know that Dev cannot have Soha in his life because of her prenup and that Dev loses in his life because she took the decision of getting his signature, Ishwari will be forced to introspect.

Probably they will show a recreation of the scene similar to the one where Dev first realized that he loves Sonakshi after talking to his sisters. I am referring to the monologue of Dev in front of the mirror. That is when Ishwari will realize the extent of damage her interference and possessiveness caused. I am looking forward to that introspection.

I am not defending Ishwari but am trying to understand how a person who does so much wrong continue to believe that they did not do anything wrong. I also feel sorry for her because when the realization happens that she has actually harmed her son, I don't want to be in her shoes. 😛

Just my POV...

Excluent analiyis

I want to add my points here also.
First of all from ishu point of view to become a, rich is the, most important factor because of her past. But the point which she don't understand is that become a rich can give you the respect which she want but it cannot give a, happiness. From her point of view having a, lot of money means, some where you are respected. Because, of her past she is, always insecure about the money. For tripathi family she is, under her deapth so she ingoner so she ok with the money they use. Because its, a repayment .
The another important aspect her extra, love for dev because he completed her expections, and because of him he get the respect what she always want after her housband death. Some how I feel after her housband's death she forgot want is importance of life partner in the life. As, the, small dev become the the devdixit and started earning for his family over the period of time she forgot he is his, son. And, as, for her happiness when dev has given her, power to make the, decision for, his life, from what color, cloths, he, should, ware she, feels that she, is the, only person who has, the, right to take, the, decision for dev. She get so used to of dev if following her, instructions and, her commands so when dev try to do any thing different she feels it is, wrong.
And at the, base, she is, selffish and, dev and, sona are selfless

Now coming to her realization as, I have mentaion in my previous, post she is not ready for self introspection because still dev is, fulfilling his, responsibly and, I feel that still dev has not have confronted her. He required to tell her from his childhood he always want and for his mothers happiness he has scrificed the thing. She know this but her problem is that unless and until dev itself tells her she is not going to understand. Because she loves to live in the buuble where she is a great mother and this is because of her brother.
So I think one more extended confrontation from dev from his childhood and about her behaviour is required
And this will happened after soha's entry.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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@ Sam, while your analysis is good, it is totally biased to women with sons. what about women with daughters and no husband or a husband who does not love u?
Also its difficult to empathise with a woman who has not been wronged but still chooses to wrong others and blames the ones she has wronged?

How about millions of strong women for example like Sonakshi's' Dida( a widow) who never once thought that Asha and Bijoy can throw her out?

All said and done Ishwari is definitely not deserving of sympathy because of her utter lack of remorse. Dont get me wrong. I read your analysis and appreciate how you have a way with words. but they fail to garner any sympathy for Ishwari..still!

A woman who allows her own biological family to stay in her house does not understand that her DIL may want her biological family to be respected and treated with love in her house? How is this behavior acceptable and understandable even with all the limitations of patriarchial set up.

However I liked your analysis because you have not failed to point out that women like Ishwari rate their own happiness and what they want on a very high scale. They negotiate little on that front. She's always wanted her own happiness. Nothing wrong in that. But its wrong to not acknolwedge this at least to yourself.

I think the paramount reason for her bad behaviour or for that matter of any MIL to mistreat their DIL is the power that they feel they hold over their sons. So this theory of in security makes is difficult to reach my brain and connect there😆. If they were insecure of their own position, they would not want to mess with the one person (DIL) they feel is influencial in the household. But they derive a sadistic pleasure in meting out ugly treatment coz they once received it. this is a lowest of low reason and hence I feel deserves no empathy.

Dev in his current avatar is actually taking care of all her needs financial(which as per you is paramount for her) as well as some of the emotional ones too. Now why does she still need to blame Sonakshi. Why she has no thoughts on how a total destitute bankrupt family would have coped?

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