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1123225

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Posted: 7 years ago

#101

I'm not proving anything to the trolls, but I know at least 1 or 2 will see the lies spread by trolls and bother to read the texts.

Score 1 for the sane side. 😆

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Kriti

@..KarnaKriti..

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Posted: 7 years ago

#102

Welcome to all. 🤗

Hoping we can enjoy the lovely show on this forum. 😳

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1123225

Hibernated

Posted: 7 years ago

#103

😆 one more time for those with reading comprehension problems.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03012.htm

The foremost of women and devoted to my husbands, even I, O Krishna, was seized by hair, O slayer of Madhu, in the sight of the Pandavas, each of whom is like an Indra himself!

'Saying this the mild-speeched Krishna hid her face with her soft hands like the buds of lotus, and began to weep. And the tears of Panchali begot of grief washed her deep, plump and graceful breasts crowned with auspicious marks. And wiping her eyes and sighing frequently she said these words angrily and in a choked voice, 'Husbands, or sons, or friends, or brothers, or father, have I none! Nor have I thee, O thou slayer of Madhu, for ye all, beholding me treated so cruelly by inferior foes, sit still unmoved! My grief at Karna's ridicule is incapable of being assuaged! On these grounds I deserve to be ever protected by thee, O Kesava, viz., our relationship, thy respect (for me), our friendship, and thy lordship (over me)

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"Vaisampayana continued, 'In that assembly of heroes Vasudeva then spake unto the weeping Draupadi as follows, 'O fair lady, the wives of those with whom thou art angry, shall weep even like thee, beholding their husbands dead on the ground, weltering in blood and their bodies covered with the arrows of Vivatsu! Weep not, lady, for I will exert to the utmost of my powers for the sons of Pandu! I promise thou shalt (once more) be the queen of kings! The heavens might fall, or the Himavat might split, the earth might be rent, or the waters of the ocean might dry up, but my words shall never be futile!'

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Panchali specifically mentions her anger at Karna. Krishna says those whom she is angry with will be dead.

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Also, CE Vol 7, Chapter 1217

jaya said, "Vasudeva was stationed on his chariot. He said, O Radheya! It is fortunate that you

remember dharma. Quite often, when they are immersed in hardships, inferior ones censure destiny,

but not their evil deeds. O Karna! When you, Suyodhana, Duhshasana and Shakuni Soubala brought

Droupadi to the assembly hall in a single garment, did dharma not show itself to you? When, in the

assembly hall, Yudhishthira, who was not skilled at dice, was defeated by Shakuni, who was skilled at

dice, where did dharma go then? O Karna! During her season, Krishna

798 was under Duhshasana's

subjugation in the assembly hall and you laughed at her. Where did dharma go then? O Karna!

Resorting to the king of Gandhara and coveting the kingdom, you challenged the Pandavas.

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Where did dharma go then?' When Vasudeva addressed Radheya in this way, Pandava Dhananjaya

remembered all this and was overcome by great rage. Energetic flames of anger seemed to issue out

from all the pores on his body and it was extraordinary

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It is pretty plain Krishna's loyalty was with Pandavas and Panchali. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.😆

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SweetRogue

@SweetRogue

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Posted: 7 years ago

#104

Originally posted by: RadheyaUruvi
Yes I have read BORI and it clear that lord krishna himself offered draupadi to karna for sexual intercourse. Yes wife of arjuna

Yes people can make self assumption and hypothesis but truth is that draupadi was handed over to karna by shri krishna himself

Why are you releatinr this point incessantly? Fine if we believe he really meant what he said it does nothing to elevate Karna's character nor does it do anything to degrade Arjuna (he didn't even know about this offer). If Krishna really meant those things, it is a dark spot in his character not other's.

And now answer this question if you're not a coward- if Krishna cared so much about Karna why didn't he make this offer earlier? Why do it at the brink of war? Why do it when he knew how attached Karna had grown to Duryodhan and there was no way he would leave Duryodhana? Besides Krishna is known for breaking promises and oath for the greater good. If he really thought Karna would be a good king why didn't he just tell Yudhishtira?

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SweetRogue

@SweetRogue

Explorer

Posted: 7 years ago

#105

Originally posted by: NalayakBrihuu
another self assumption to justify first self assumption. I think vyass fans dont have proofs so their life based on self assumption crook theory

Show me karna's name in promise. There was no promise for karn by krishna thats why krishna offered draupadi to karn

He doesn't mention Dushasan's nane either. And he didn't make that statement in isolation. Draupadi specifically mentions Karna as her enemy when she speaks to him. So yes, Karna comes under the enemy group. If anything it's Duryodhana who wasn't directly her enemy, the thigh slapping story is considered an interpolation as far as I know.

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Priya_Vrisha

@Priya_Vrisha

Beginner

Posted: 7 years ago

#106

@Mahanalayak

Your quote is from karn parv which comes after udyoga parv when krishna offered draupadi to karna for sexual intercourse. Karna already rejected offer of draupadi then only krishna blamed karna

Even draupadi called pandava eunuch does that mean that he abandoned pandava? not at all

Oh, why do those heroes today, endued as they are with strength and possessed of immeasurable energy, quietly suffer, like EUNUCHS, their dear and chaste wife to be thus insulted by a Suta's son?

If she knew that karna is eldest pandava then she will go with karna

This was the reason krishna offered draupadi to karn

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SweetRogue

@SweetRogue

Explorer

Posted: 7 years ago

#107

@MahaganduArjun @ChakkaArjun @BrihuAunty I know you're the same person. tt is evident from your usernames itself that you are no serious reader or researcher on Mahabharata. You can't even spell simple English words like liar. Any person with half a brain would understand what you are. I don't give a shit what you say. I'm not going to argue any further with dumb f**ks

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Priya_Vrisha

@Priya_Vrisha

Beginner

Posted: 7 years ago

#108

Originally posted by: MahaganduArjun

@Swwetrogue

No. Karna didn't comes under enemy group. Why all vyass fans are living is delusion and self assumptions. First it was your self invented theory that krishna was lier when you failed to prove that then another claimed krishna promised to kill karna. again failed to provide direct proof and made self assumptions like enemy means karna. Krishna himself wanted to hand over draupadi to karn then how can he promise draupadi to kill her future husband? Did he promised to kill pandavas? Not at all. I believe draupadi's enemy are her husband pandav so its possible that enemy here is yudhistira not even dussasan. Draupadi sharing was very common in those days even kunti asked to enjoy draupadi in group

he took the CHEERFUL Yajnaseni by the hand, and approaching Yudhishthira said, 'The daughter of king Yajnasena upon being represented to me by thy younger brothers as the alms they had obtained, from ignorance, O king, I said what was proper, viz., 'ENJOY YE ALL what hath been obtained.

If kunti can offer draupadi then krishna can also offer draupadi because krishna knew that he can convince pandava for anything as he always did twisting dharma

@Mahanalayak

Indra wasn't Father ,or Brother or Husband of any of Apsaras , but still he used Apsaras to avoid competition from sages Like Vishvamitra, Trishira etc.

He ordered Apsaras to break the Tapasya of Rishis and safeguard his Throne.

If Indra can Use Apsaras against Rishis to stop them from becoming King of Gods, Why can't Krishna Offer Draupadi to Karna

And @mahagandu pointed it right that Kunti and Yudhisthra had no right to order Draupadi to be wife of 5 , But they did it.

So please check the facts first before telling us that it was law that only Father , brother and Husband can offer woman to someone else.

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1123225

Hibernated

Posted: 7 years ago

#109

Originally posted by: Priya_Vrisha
@Mahanalayak

Your quote is from karn parv which comes after udyoga parv when krishna offered draupadi to karna for sexual intercourse. Karna already rejected offer of draupadi then only krishna blamed karna

Even draupadi called pandava eunuch does that mean that he abandoned pandava? not at all

Oh, why do those heroes today, endued as they are with strength and possessed of immeasurable energy, quietly suffer, like EUNUCHS, their dear and chaste wife to be thus insulted by a Suta's son?

If she knew that karna is eldest pandava then she will go with karnkmk pa

This was the reason krishna offered draupadi to karn

Nope. My quotes on Krishna promising to KILL KARNA are from Vana Parva and Udyoga Parva PRIOR to the offer. If you followe the link you would see.

As for Panchali going with Karna, you should read what she said when Yudhishtira started weeping and wailing knowing the truth about Karna. Both she and Bhima told Yudhishtira to go to hell 😆. Paraphrasing, of course.

Also, Karna was NOT the eldest Pandava. 1) for him to be considered that, Pandu had to accept him. PANDU lists the rules of niyog in Adhi Parva. Even if he did accept him, once there was a sanctioned child, ie Yudhishtira, Karna would be behind him. 2) Bheeshma says Karna would have no right to empire even if he switched. It is there in Anushasana Parva.

Further, even if Karna was accepted as eldest brother, Panchali still couldn't marry or have sex (your words, not mine) with him. Because as Arjuna says prior to the marriage and as MANU SMRITI states, a younger brother could marry older brother's wife, but not the reverse. For an older brother, the younger sister-in-law would be a DAUGHTER. If Karna was accepted as eldest Pandava, Panchali would be akin to his daughter.

Re: Kunti and Yudhishtira. Nope, neither made the decision about polyandry. Vyasa talks to them about it. It wasn't the Pandavas' idea. Or Kunti's. Afterward, ARJUNA makes the verbal statement. Only HE had the right. Krishna had absolutely no right.

Karna knew all this. He was man of the times. He was sharp enough to see Krishna's trickery.

I can provide the links to all of the above if anyone asks. Since people are clearly not reading, I won't take the trouble unless requested.

PriyaVrish, may I suggest reading KMG at least instead of going by what the troll says? He is making up stories. What he's saying is very diff from what the text says. Either he is ignorant and trying to make up for the gaps in his knowledge, or he has serious issues. Either way, he is to be pitied.

Edited by MahanalayakKarn - 7 years ago