Jodha Akbar 9th April 2015..Sweet and Bitter...LONG analysis upd Pg-1 - Page 10

Originally posted by: ndi.anggraeni81

patience are alien words for jalal and salim , may be salim can be patient lit bit dunno bout jalal, patient is not his things 😆😆 he only can be patient toward jodha 😆😆 he wait one hell year long to finally bedded her and everything hook seal and deal 😉😆

I dont like salim lol, so obviously i will support jalal, but yes this two either needs to be put on aboxing ring where they will fight all hatred out, otr they should do a round table conference, I really hate cvs for this dreadfulm leap, which has messed all characters so much.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay

Good Morning! Guess you already know the entire story by now and everyone else does too. So I will just restrict myself to my views on the episode.

All fluff really, so guys, don't expect any message in my post. 😛 I am not here to make a point but just to share my sweet thoughts with all of you. 😳

This is going to be a long one, so be prepared. 🥱

Murad and Salim in Rangshala

Abhay, the first scene was nothing worthwhile. Murad wanted to talk to Salim and Anar piped in. Murad who only takes her as a kaneez asked her to shut up which incensed Salim. 😆 And he gave a good one to Murad.

I know a lot of people here feel bad for Murad and think Salim was being his usual arrogant self. But I, for one, felt happy. Murad has been pulling a lot of rank as the Shah-i-Shah recently. He is developing "attitude". And he really needed that slap to show him that he is still just another guy under the crown.

Murad immediately seems to inform Akbar and make an issue of the Shah-i-Shah getting insulted in front of a kaneez. This seemed to me like 2 kids fighting each other and one of them complaining to daddy that "bhaiyya ne mujhe maara" (elder brother hit me).

Salim is a gone case, anyway. Now, Murad, you too? Grow up. You could have handled this between yourselves.

Be that as it may. The matter is in court now.

This is interesting.

Jodha and Jalal Before DEK Scene

Jodha tries to make Jalal understand this is a family matter and should be handled privately. But Jalal is suddenly the male version of Ruq in this track - obsessed with rank and respect to rank. ("Sangat ka asar" on Jalal? 😆 )

He says that it was not a fight between 2 brothers but between 2 princes, one of whom is the Shah-i-Shah and that Jodha should remember that SiS is No.2 in the empire and no one can mess with him.

Jalal, you are wrong.

1. The No. 2 is Jodha - MEH. You only gave her that RANK just a few days back, remember? And you told her on being questioned that she had the same ROLE as you.

So now don't try to walk over her by telling her to respect the SiS, who also happens to be her (step?) son.

Listen to her and then decide.

If you are the exclusive decision maker, then hey, let her be just another queen. Please do not fill her eyes with star dust by giving her titles and ranks and telling her on paper she has so much power and rights. When you will NEVER let her exercise those rights or power.

2. Suddenly you remember that you have to set an example before your awaam.

When the person involved is Salim, you never let go any chance to show the public what a just ruler you are, like Solomon.

But when Ruq is involved, then you are willing to turn a blind eye and sweep all her crimes under the carpet.

Even Mahamanga was given a private hearing and her crimes never came out in the open for the longest time.

Is Salim a worse offender than these 2 great women?

What happened to the Solomon in you then, Jalal?

No wonder, Salim feels victimized - that Jalal is always out to get him. Because he can clearly see that Jalal treats different people differently. He can send a 9 year old boy to a hutment as punishment but let a grown-up Ruq get off with a private scolding in the Murty kand, in the Ruq FP case and so many more cases.

Salim may not be right here but then Jalal is not right either - neither as a king nor as a father and not at all as a husband.

3. Jalal, if you feel that Salim will be the future king, don't estrange him or tarnish his image in public.

Take him under your wings and groom him to handle the hot seat when the time comes.

By all means, be firm with him, punish him, explain to him. Do anything, but privately. Not in public.

If the public starts thinking Salim is the black sheep of the family, will it ever accept him as the king in future?

Everyone is not born great. Some have to be made great. Take time and trouble to make Salim come to your level, rather than expecting him to know everything from birth.

God gives parents to teach kids. If kids knew everything, they would not need parents. Even Abhimanyu had incomplete knowledge.

My son must have been around 2+, when once I scolded him in my mother's house, in front of my mom and brother. He kept quiet. Later while we were going home, he told me very seriously that in future I could say anything to him but in private. That he had felt great shame in being scolded in front of "everyone". When a 2 year old felt embarrassed in being scolded in front of his grandmother and uncle, how will an 18 year old feel in being publicly pulled up and asked to apologize to his younger brother?

I am not justifying what Salim did. I am only saying Jalal messed it up big time. He forgot he was dealing with a prince who would also be king one day. And that he needed to handle him "differently". If gold were beaten in the same way as iron, what will happen? Iron becomes stronger but gold is destroyed. Jalal forgot this simple fact.

And consider, even today, in royal families and top celebrity families, a lot of drama happens that never comes into the open. Skeletons are kept firmly locked up in cupboards so that the family honor is not tarnished. And here we are talking of the First Family.

Akbar was so conscious of his image and honor that he didn't allow Salim to marry Anarkali (in fiction). Then would he allow a matter involving fistfights between his sons to be discussed openly?

3. Rank and Family

Jalal, you can expect ministers and the awaam to honor rank. But a family needs to be handled differently.

Jalal has to make his family realise that they are all in this together and they have to look at each other as relations and not like a bunch of royal officials living together.

There should be absolutely no pulling of rank within a family at any time.

The King may be at the top, being the head of the family. But if he encourages brothers to treat each other as per rank, he is encouraging sibling rivalry, which may ultimately lead to succession wars.

Frankly, IMO, treating each other as family is NOT a silly expectation. Jalal asks Jodha if she is talking to him like a wife or MEH. She says she will always be the wife to him.

Then why does he expect Salim to behave like a prince in front of an emperor and the SiS? Many viewers complained on the Salim thread that Salim calls his mother MUZ/MEH and not ammijaan. Well, now they perhaps know that it is Jalal's expectation that Salim should look at everyone as per their rank and respect them accordingly.

4. Not Giving Up on Relations

I am shocked by the casual way relations are treated in JA. I can fully understand why Salim feels alone and victimized. Because I have not seen anyone apart from Jodha trying to talk to him - not Ruq, or Salima or Hamida or Gulbadan Begum. Or even Murad and Danial. Qutub tried a few times and gave up.

It is my personal conviction that you NEVER GIVE UP on a family member, esp youngsters.

They may be stubborn, selfish, refuse to listen but that is why God made grown-ups, right? So that they can guide and mould the young ones.

True, you may reach some limits. So what? If you cannot take out ghee using a straight hand, bend your fingers. 😊

Jalal is so famous for being TE. Why doesn't he use tedapan to handle Salim?

Why does he always head for the collision course with Salim when he knows well that Salim can get easily recalcitrant?

When Salim told Jodha the other day that he didn't want to talk about the present issue, she left with a heavy heart. Why? In her place, I would have slapped him a few times, if needed, and made sure he talked to me. I don't let my son go till he has told me what i want to know, no matter how unwilling he may be to share. 😆

Jodha's Confusion

I have not touched upon the puja scene deliberately. (I feel this was Gangaur. This festival was celebrated in March end in Agra when I visited that place recently.) Doubtless, it was a beautiful scene. I enjoyed it thoroughly. JJ were colour coordinated and wearing rich, royal blue dresses. Both looked good together and showed the happy comfort of a long married and much in love couple, growing old together, performing the usual customs together.

The dialogues that followed were wonderful too. Jalal is able to convince Jodha not to raise the issue of their faiths or conversion ever again.

When Jodha is with Jalal, she agrees to everything he says, like a dutiful and loving wife. Then when she is alone, she again becomes the mother and feels she has to do something for her son even if Jalal does not agree.

Why so confused, lady? She can be a supportive wife, and yet make Jalal understand that Salim has to be "handled" without his realising that he is being "handled".

The reason why the joint fast cum puja of JJ held no significance for me is that this action is not an indication of love. It is only an outward symbol to show others you are happily married. Like a warring couple will put on plastic smiles at a party and then again resume the fight once they are back home.

The writer has no intention, it is obvious, of showing a proper mother-son relationship between Jodha and Salim. Right from kid Salim days, the relationship has been flawed and handled badly. Which is so pathetic when we consider how much Salim respected his mother.

Salim should have been shown close to his mother. And then Jodha could have been shown caught between a loving, misunderstood son and an idealistic husband for whom the empire comes first.

(There was an old movie Shakti in which Rakhi is caught between an idealistic police officer husband, Dilip Kumar, and a rebel but loving son, Amitabh Bachchan. EK should watch that movie to understand how well these same emotions were caught and expressed so well in that movie.)

As per the customs of those days, she could be shown being loyal to her husband and king in public, but concerned about her son too in private.

The Goody-Goody Act of Murad

Murad is said to be an extremely good guy, a loving brother and capable of being the Shah-i-Shah. Then why is he always throwing attitude in front of the already drowning-in-self-pity Salim?

Only the first time, Murad went to meet Salim as a brother, that too, a little late in the day.

After Salim rebuffed him that first time, Murad never really remained the brother. If he really was , he would have known that Salim was affected by the decision to make Murad the heir. And that Salim was not in his senses at that time.

He should have spoken to Salim again later, brother to brother. Can a little argument so quickly create such a gap between brothers who were allegedly quite close?

In that case, if Salim is wrong in dealing with Murad, Murad is no better.

True, he has tried discussing issues related to the empire with Salim many times, but he has never spoken to Salim like a brother/friend again.

The writers, it seems, are intent on showing Murad and Salim as political rivals, starting now.

The Loungers

There really is no other term for the others in the family who only seem to discuss the happenings in the family the way we discuss the episodes on IF. As if they had no personal stake in it.

Hamida and Salima did so much to mediate between Akbar and Salim in reality. But here we see them simply lying around in comfy seats and talking about the crisis wearing glum faces. 😕 Ladies, get up and do something. Talk to Jalal or Salim. Put on your thinking caps. But stop whining and sighing for that will achieve nothing.

Where Do We Go From Here?

Salim will just get more estranged from parents.

Murad will become politically ambitious and try to pull rank with Salim, which the latter will resent.

Murad and Salim will get estranged. Camps will form around them.

Jalal will side with Murad and that will further distance him from Salim.

Jalal and Jodha's relationship will be under strain, as they differ on how to handle Salim. (Let's see how the precap plays out. I don't expect a serious or long-term MU, but a temporary cooling off of relations between them.)

Ruq will be shown smirking away and self-talking all the while, laughing at Jodha's woes. Brace yourself for this. 🤢

This state of personal relations will likely continue till the end of the show. There may be temporary remissions but overall this tone will be dominant.

In the meantime, Anar will be discovered as the "corrupting" influence on Salim and sentenced to be walled. She will be bundled out of the country secretly.

Salim will be married to Man Bai by the end of the track.

Those of you who read till here without getting lost or getting a headache, you are really AWESOME. 🤗 Thanks so much!!! 😳

Thanks to you too, Abhay, for patiently letting me ramble nonsense! 😛

Radhika! The post is not anything close to giving a 'headache', it was such a detailed analysis that really got me thinking about what I believed in. 😆

1) But somewhere along the way, Murad was slapped for a stupid reason- the reason being that he did not want Anarkali to speak in between both of them, and is that really wrong? However broad minded you are, however much you respect the people who work for you, even Akbar would not have been okay with someone butting into the conversation.

I'm not Pro-Murad either, but there was a scene where Murad came to Salim to tell him that he did not want the audha, and it was rightfully his, that was when Salim gave him that Sauutela hamesha suatela hi rahega dialogue. So it's not like Murad did not try entirely either. I was actually little dissed off with Murad, who sounded too goody-goody in the DEK, calling the Shehenshah Abbujaan and playing the I'm innocent card.



2) Jalal saying that the SIS audha was the 2nd most important, was stupid again. These Cv's change the 2nd most important audha according to their preferance. Sometimes its MUZ, sometimes it MEH, sometimes in Maryam Makani- I have given up on figuring out what it is. Was there even this whole thing of crowning the heir before hand at all? I thought it was a decision the ruler made on his deathbed?



3) Yes there has been major characterization discrepancies when it come to Jalal. He is shown as very liberal at times, and super strict at other times. And I am very much with everyone who believes that this makes Jalal look very 2 faced, and like he is targeting Salim.

But in both Maham Anga and Rukaiyaas situations, they had done ERRORS, but those errors did not question his authority. This is a theory that I dont like, but it is possible that they are shwoing Jalal as the kind who hates when his authority and liability is questioned. Like first time around Salim had shot a boy by mistake, but the shooting was not the problem, the fact that Salim left the boy in a helpless situation was what irked Jalal. And later his liability was put to line, when he would have to make a decision regarding his own son, and did not want to look unjust. And years later, its the same when an 'audha' that has been given by Akbar, is being insulted, he feels like it his authority instead that is going for a six.



4) Jodha- I wish her dilemma was better portrayed. The situation she is in right now, is something that no mother would ever wish to be in, and seeing my mother, I know that its maternal instict to protect the child, when theres an argument between the child and the father. To this day my mother supports me, when theres any argument going on. :p

Instead of running to Jalal, which is a lost cause. I would have liked for Jodha to go to Salim instead, to talk to him, maybe cool him down a little bit, hear his POV and give him a bit of advice. (My mom always comes to me when she knows I have done something wrong and gives me the dont back answer or yell back at your dad speech 😆) She mayble could have spoken to Salim, telling him not to make the situation worse and tell him that she would arrange for father-son to talk it out. Something to put the guy at peace and and not bring upon himself a situation that is much worse.

I would like the CV's to really have a scene that consists of JJ and Salim only, and I would like for Jodha to act as a mediator and not let the father or son out of the room until all the problems are solved. Its high time, Jalal realizes that he first has to bring Salim out of his shell of neglegance, then he can test Salim's prowess. And Jodha should really do something to get these two under the same roof and make them talk it out.

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Well after all this analyzing I have realized that the CV's actually just tweak the characters and situation to add more drama, they dont care about consistency or logic or parenting or anything like that.

I am really waiting for today's episode, because I want to see the precap scene plays out. How will they show Jodha int he coming episodes, the dutiful wife or the worried mother?

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Diksha: We think more or less on same lines. :)

Sindhu, Salim is self-obsessed 😆

@blue..

that virtue he got from both Jalal himself and his Jaan begum

Originally posted by: -aady-

Radhika! The post is not anything close to giving a 'headache', it was such a detailed analysis that really got me thinking about what I believed in. 😆

1) But somewhere along the way, Murad was slapped for a stupid reason- the reason being that he did not want Anarkali to speak in between both of them, and is that really wrong? However broad minded you are, however much you respect the people who work for you, even Akbar would not have been okay with someone butting into the conversation.

I'm not Pro-Murad either, but there was a scene where Murad came to Salim to tell him that he did not want the audha, and it was rightfully his, that was when Salim gave him that Sauutela hamesha suatela hi rahega dialogue. So it's not like Murad did not try entirely either. I was actually little dissed off with Murad, who sounded too goody-goody in the DEK, calling the Shehenshah Abbujaan and playing the I'm innocent card.



2) Jalal saying that the SIS audha was the 2nd most important, was stupid again. These Cv's change the 2nd most important audha according to their preferance. Sometimes its MUZ, sometimes it MEH, sometimes in Maryam Makani- I have given up on figuring out what it is. Was there even this whole thing of crowning the heir before hand at all? I thought it was a decision the ruler made on his deathbed?



3) Yes there has been major characterization discrepancies when it come to Jalal. He is shown as very liberal at times, and super strict at other times. And I am very much with everyone who believes that this makes Jalal look very 2 faced, and like he is targeting Salim.

But in both Maham Anga and Rukaiyaas situations, they had done ERRORS, but those errors did not question his authority. This is a theory that I dont like, but it is possible that they are shwoing Jalal as the kind who hates when his authority and liability is questioned. Like first time around Salim had shot a boy by mistake, but the shooting was not the problem, the fact that Salim left the boy in a helpless situation was what irked Jalal. And later his liability was put to line, when he would have to make a decision regarding his own son, and did not want to look unjust. And years later, its the same when an 'audha' that has been given by Akbar, is being insulted, he feels like it his authority instead that is going for a six.



4) Jodha- I wish her dilemma was better portrayed. The situation she is in right now, is something that no mother would ever wish to be in, and seeing my mother, I know that its maternal instict to protect the child, when theres an argument between the child and the father. To this day my mother supports me, when theres any argument going on. :p

Instead of running to Jalal, which is a lost cause. I would have liked for Jodha to go to Salim instead, to talk to him, maybe cool him down a little bit, hear his POV and give him a bit of advice. (My mom always comes to me when she knows I have done something wrong and gives me the dont back answer or yell back at your dad speech 😆) She mayble could have spoken to Salim, telling him not to make the situation worse and tell him that she would arrange for father-son to talk it out. SOmething to put the guy at peace and and not bring upon himself a situation that is much worse.


Well after all this analyzing I have realized that the CV's actually just tweak the characters and situation to add more drama, they dont care about consistency or logic or parenting or anything like that.

I am really waiting for today's episode, because I want to see the precap scene plays out. How will they show Jodha int he coming episodes, the dutiful wife or the worried mother?

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay

Good Morning! Guess you already know the entire story by now and everyone else does too. So I will just restrict myself to my views on the episode.

All fluff really, so guys, don't expect any message in my post. 😛 I am not here to make a point but just to share my sweet thoughts with all of you. 😳

This is going to be a long one, so be prepared. 🥱

Radhika, i am laughing seeing this Emotion😆 😆, so Sleep Anamiya pataient adviced, to read this Post😉😆.

Murad and Salim in Rangshala

Abhay, the first scene was nothing worthwhile. Murad wanted to talk to Salim and Anar piped in. Murad who only takes her as a kaneez asked her to shut up which incensed Salim. 😆 And he gave a good one to Murad.

I know a lot of people here feel bad for Murad and think Salim was being his usual arrogant self. But I, for one, felt happy. Murad has been pulling a lot of rank as the Shah-i-Shah recently. He is developing "attitude". And he really needed that slap to show him that he is still just another guy under the crown.

Radhika Agree you. Agree Salim not came, sending messagaing, but when Murad knows, He is in Rangshala,;;;;;;;So first he should not talk in front of Anar, Elder Brother this Tone. Manners counts for everyone. Naturally everyperson have some individuality, Murad touch that individuality, which he should not touch.Salim Is elder Brother, Murad words, were rude, for Anar;

Parro Kee Juti koo sir par betho loo;;;;;;;it means he not single respect for female😡,;;;;;;;;;;;or if we see honestely;;;;;Agree Kaniz, have no athority, but her words were Right, this is not a right place.

Radhika is Murad knows Salim loves Anar,? if yes, then he did a lot of Mistake?

Murad immediately seems to inform Akbar and make an issue of the Shah-i-Shah getting insulted in front of a kaneez. This seemed to me like 2 kids fighting each other and one of them complaining to daddy that "bhaiyya ne mujhe maara" (elder brother hit me).

Salim is a gone case, anyway. Now, Murad, you too? Grow up. You could have handled this between yourselves.

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Matter can be sort out easily, out of court. Murad not told Akbar he also speaked a woman maybee she is Raksa;;;;;;;;;;;;Paro kee Juti;;;;;;;;;Hurted these words.😡 😡 Why this matter Hurted Murad Igo;;;;;;;;;;;;He can say DEK,;;;;Salim Mood is not fine, he is my Elder brother.We will both sort out this mattter.;;;Shah shah, post, is indirectely, attracting Murad,;;;;;;;;or he not understanding Salim which facing.

Be that as it may. The matter is in court now.

This is interesting.

Jodha and Jalal Before DEK Scene

Jodha tries to make Jalal understand this is a family matter and should be handled privately. But Jalal is suddenly the male version of Ruq in this track - obsessed with rank and respect to rank. ("Sangat ka asar" on Jalal? 😆 )

He says that it was not a fight between 2 brothers but between 2 princes, one of whom is the Shah-i-Shah and that Jodha should remember that SiS is No.2 in the empire and no one can mess with him.

Jodha was right here, Why Jalal, creating things, to be, tough manner.If things sort out easily,;; Agree post wise, salim did wrong, But which happened to him it was also wrong.;;;;;;;;;

Jalal, you are wrong.

1. The No. 2 is Jodha - MEH. You only gave her that RANK just a few days back, remember? And you told her on being questioned that she had the same ROLE as you.

So now don't try to walk over her by telling her to respect the SiS, who also happens to be her (step?) son.

Listen to her and then decide.

Agree.

If you are the exclusive decision maker, then hey, let her be just another queen. Please do not fill her eyes with star dust by giving her titles and ranks and telling her on paper she has so much power and rights. When you will NEVER let her exercise those rights or power.

2. Suddenly you remember that you have to set an example before your awaam.

When the person involved is Salim, you never let go any chance to show the public what a just ruler you are, like Solomon.

But when Ruq is involved, then you are willing to turn a blind eye and sweep all her crimes under the carpet.

Even Mahamanga was given a private hearing and her crimes never came out in the open for the longest time.

Is Salim a worse offender than these 2 great women?

What happened to the Solomon in you then, Jalal?

No wonder, Salim feels victimized - that Jalal is always out to get him. Because he can clearly see that Jalal treats different people differently. He can send a 9 year old boy to a hutment as punishment but let a grown-up Ruq get off with a private scolding in the Murty kand, in the Ruq FP case and so many more cases.

Salim may not be right here but then Jalal is not right either - neither as a king nor as a father and not at all as a husband.

3. Jalal, if you feel that Salim will be the future king, don't estrange him or tarnish his image in public.

Take him under your wings and groom him to handle the hot seat when the time comes.

By all means, be firm with him, punish him, explain to him. Do anything, but privately. Not in public.

If the public starts thinking Salim is the black sheep of the family, will it ever accept him as the king in future?

Everyone is not born great. Some have to be made great. Take time and trouble to make Salim come to your level, rather than expecting him to know everything from birth.

God gives parents to teach kids. If kids knew everything, they would not need parents. Even Abhimanyu had incomplete knowledge.

My son must have been around 2+, when once I scolded him in my mother's house, in front of my mom and brother. He kept quiet. Later while we were going home, he told me very seriously that in future I could say anything to him but in private. That he had felt great shame in being scolded in front of "everyone". When a 2 year old felt embarrassed in being scolded in front of his grandmother and uncle, how will an 18 year old feel in being publicly pulled up and asked to apologize to his younger brother?

I am not justifying what Salim did. I am only saying Jalal messed it up big time. He forgot he was dealing with a prince who would also be king one day. And that he needed to handle him "differently". If gold were beaten in the same way as iron, what will happen? Iron becomes stronger but gold is destroyed. Jalal forgot this simple fact.

👏 👏 👏 👏,

And consider, even today, in royal families and top celebrity families, a lot of drama happens that never comes into the open. Skeletons are kept firmly locked up in cupboards so that the family honor is not tarnished. And here we are talking of the First Family.

Akbar was so conscious of his image and honor that he didn't allow Salim to marry Anarkali (in fiction). Then would he allow a matter involving fistfights between his sons to be discussed openly?

3. Rank and Family

Jalal, you can expect ministers and the awaam to honor rank. But a family needs to be handled differently.

Jalal has to make his family realise that they are all in this together and they have to look at each other as relations and not like a bunch of royal officials living together.

There should be absolutely no pulling of rank within a family at any time.

The King may be at the top, being the head of the family. But if he encourages brothers to treat each other as per rank, he is encouraging sibling rivalry, which may ultimately lead to succession wars.

Frankly, IMO, treating each other as family is NOT a silly expectation. Jalal asks Jodha if she is talking to him like a wife or MEH. She says she will always be the wife to him.

Then why does he expect Salim to behave like a prince in front of an emperor and the SiS? Many viewers complained on the Salim thread that Salim calls his mother MUZ/MEH and not ammijaan. Well, now they perhaps know that it is Jalal's expectation that Salim should look at everyone as per their rank and respect them accordingly.

4. Not Giving Up on Relations

I am shocked by the casual way relations are treated in JA. I can fully understand why Salim feels alone and victimized. Because I have not seen anyone apart from Jodha trying to talk to him - not Ruq, or Salima or Hamida or Gulbadan Begum. Or even Murad and Danial. Qutub tried a few times and gave up.

It is my personal conviction that you NEVER GIVE UP on a family member, esp youngsters.

They may be stubborn, selfish, refuse to listen but that is why God made grown-ups, right? So that they can guide and mould the young ones.

True, you may reach some limits. So what? If you cannot take out ghee using a straight hand, bend your fingers. 😊

Jalal is so famous for being TE. Why doesn't he use tedapan to handle Salim?

Why does he always head for the collision course with Salim when he knows well that Salim can get easily recalcitrant?

When Salim told Jodha the other day that he didn't want to talk about the present issue, she left with a heavy heart. Why? In her place, I would have slapped him a few times, if needed, and made sure he talked to me. I don't let my son go till he has told me what i want to know, no matter how unwilling he may be to share. 😆

Jodha's Confusion

I have not touched upon the puja scene deliberately. (I feel this was Gangaur. This festival was celebrated in March end in Agra when I visited that place recently.) Doubtless, it was a beautiful scene. I enjoyed it thoroughly. JJ were colour coordinated and wearing rich, royal blue dresses. Both looked good together and showed the happy comfort of a long married and much in love couple, growing old together, performing the usual customs together.

The dialogues that followed were wonderful too. Jalal is able to convince Jodha not to raise the issue of their faiths or conversion ever again.

When Jodha is with Jalal, she agrees to everything he says, like a dutiful and loving wife. Then when she is alone, she again becomes the mother and feels she has to do something for her son even if Jalal does not agree.

Why so confused, lady? She can be a supportive wife, and yet make Jalal understand that Salim has to be "handled" without his realising that he is being "handled".

The reason why the joint fast cum puja of JJ held no significance for me is that this action is not an indication of love. It is only an outward symbol to show others you are happily married. Like a warring couple will put on plastic smiles at a party and then again resume the fight once they are back home.

The writer has no intention, it is obvious, of showing a proper mother-son relationship between Jodha and Salim. Right from kid Salim days, the relationship has been flawed and handled badly. Which is so pathetic when we consider how much Salim respected his mother.

Salim should have been shown close to his mother. And then Jodha could have been shown caught between a loving, misunderstood son and an idealistic husband for whom the empire comes first.

(There was an old movie Shakti in which Rakhi is caught between an idealistic police officer husband, Dilip Kumar, and a rebel but loving son, Amitabh Bachchan. EK should watch that movie to understand how well these same emotions were caught and expressed so well in that movie.)

As per the customs of those days, she could be shown being loyal to her husband and king in public, but concerned about her son too in private.

The Goody-Goody Act of Murad

Murad is said to be an extremely good guy, a loving brother and capable of being the Shah-i-Shah. Then why is he always throwing attitude in front of the already drowning-in-self-pity Salim?

Only the first time, Murad went to meet Salim as a brother, that too, a little late in the day.

After Salim rebuffed him that first time, Murad never really remained the brother. If he really was , he would have known that Salim was affected by the decision to make Murad the heir. And that Salim was not in his senses at that time.

He should have spoken to Salim again later, brother to brother. Can a little argument so quickly create such a gap between brothers who were allegedly quite close?

In that case, if Salim is wrong in dealing with Murad, Murad is no better.

True, he has tried discussing issues related to the empire with Salim many times, but he has never spoken to Salim like a brother/friend again.

The writers, it seems, are intent on showing Murad and Salim as political rivals, starting now.

The Loungers

There really is no other term for the others in the family who only seem to discuss the happenings in the family the way we discuss the episodes on IF. As if they had no personal stake in it.

Hamida and Salima did so much to mediate between Akbar and Salim in reality. But here we see them simply lying around in comfy seats and talking about the crisis wearing glum faces. 😕 Ladies, get up and do something. Talk to Jalal or Salim. Put on your thinking caps. But stop whining and sighing for that will achieve nothing.

Where Do We Go From Here?

Salim will just get more estranged from parents.

Murad will become politically ambitious and try to pull rank with Salim, which the latter will resent.

Murad and Salim will get estranged. Camps will form around them.

Jalal will side with Murad and that will further distance him from Salim.

Jalal and Jodha's relationship will be under strain, as they differ on how to handle Salim. (Let's see how the precap plays out. I don't expect a serious or long-term MU, but a temporary cooling off of relations between them.)

Ruq will be shown smirking away and self-talking all the while, laughing at Jodha's woes. Brace yourself for this. 🤢

This state of personal relations will likely continue till the end of the show. There may be temporary remissions but overall this tone will be dominant.

In the meantime, Anar will be discovered as the "corrupting" influence on Salim and sentenced to be walled. She will be bundled out of the country secretly.

Salim will be married to Man Bai by the end of the track.

Those of you who read till here without getting lost or getting a headache, you are really AWESOME. 🤗 Thanks so much!!! 😳

Thanks to you too, Abhay, for patiently letting me ramble nonsense! 😛

Originally posted by: akdhaalways

I feel jodha should tie the two to two chairs and arrange a round table conference, where both salim n jalal will say their complains about each other, but only condition is that noone will shout or get angry or talk rudely, the two have to talk and make up calmly patiently, jodha should hold a scale in her hand,if any one of the two breaks the rule, will get a whip.Only then this

issue can solve now😆

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Srilu

I think Jalal should have spoken to Salim first in private and then may be called the DEK if he felt so. I am not asking Jalal to excuse Salim but to ensure that he doesn't lose his son while trying to be the king.

That said, I respect your views. You are right if we think from a different POV. :)

agree with u , Radhika... before announcing Murad as Shah Shah, Jalal should have taken Salim in confidence and told him what politics he is going to play to give Shah E Iran 'the check mate'... when Jalal can discuss it with his ministers and decide it in front of them the previous night, wasn't it Salim's right to know beforehand? Jalal should have told Salim this instead of humiliating him the worst possible way, though it was unintentional...

just think.. a boy is raised right from his birth as future shehenshah, all the time he has to stay away from his parents in name of some or other training, one day he is declared as walihaad, and when he is all set to accept the throne as next king to be (Shah Shah), all of a sudden, he is thrown far away from his right... what more insulting can be ? and worst thing is, while Akbar is playing his mindblowing politics, he doesn't care a bit abt what Salim must be feeling abt all this?

sometimes i feel , did Akbar really care for Jo or salim ? coz every time Jo and everybody close to her r the ones who have faced any type of humiliation from Akbar, and that too in public... Jo herself, her father , her brothers, even Maan Singh and now Salim... i don't remember Ruku or any other begum or any of his other kids have faced such humiliations...

what can be the reason?

Originally posted by: ndi.anggraeni81

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Radhika! The post is not anything close to giving a 'headache', it was such a detailed analysis that really got me thinking about what I believed in. 😆

1) But somewhere along the way, Murad was slapped for a stupid reason- the reason being that he did not want Anarkali to speak in between both of them, and is that really wrong? However broad minded you are, however much you respect the people who work for you, even Akbar would not have been okay with someone butting into the conversation.

I'm not Pro-Murad either, but there was a scene where Murad came to Salim to tell him that he did not want the audha, and it was rightfully his, that was when Salim gave him that Sauutela hamesha suatela hi rahega dialogue. So it's not like Murad did not try entirely either. I was actually little dissed off with Murad, who sounded too goody-goody in the DEK, calling the Shehenshah Abbujaan and playing the I'm innocent card.



2) Jalal saying that the SIS audha was the 2nd most important, was stupid again. These Cv's change the 2nd most important audha according to their preferance. Sometimes its MUZ, sometimes it MEH, sometimes in Maryam Makani- I have given up on figuring out what it is. Was there even this whole thing of crowning the heir before hand at all? I thought it was a decision the ruler made on his deathbed?



3) Yes there has been major characterization discrepancies when it come to Jalal. He is shown as very liberal at times, and super strict at other times. And I am very much with everyone who believes that this makes Jalal look very 2 faced, and like he is targeting Salim.

But in both Maham Anga and Rukaiyaas situations, they had done ERRORS, but those errors did not question his authority. This is a theory that I dont like, but it is possible that they are shwoing Jalal as the kind who hates when his authority and liability is questioned. Like first time around Salim had shot a boy by mistake, but the shooting was not the problem, the fact that Salim left the boy in a helpless situation was what irked Jalal. And later his liability was put to line, when he would have to make a decision regarding his own son, and did not want to look unjust. And years later, its the same when an 'audha' that has been given by Akbar, is being insulted, he feels like it his authority instead that is going for a six.



4) Jodha- I wish her dilemma was better portrayed. The situation she is in right now, is something that no mother would ever wish to be in, and seeing my mother, I know that its maternal instict to protect the child, when theres an argument between the child and the father. To this day my mother supports me, when theres any argument going on. :p

Instead of running to Jalal, which is a lost cause. I would have liked for Jodha to go to Salim instead, to talk to him, maybe cool him down a little bit, hear his POV and give him a bit of advice. (My mom always comes to me when she knows I have done something wrong and gives me the dont back answer or yell back at your dad speech 😆) She mayble could have spoken to Salim, telling him not to make the situation worse and tell him that she would arrange for father-son to talk it out. SOmething to put the guy at peace and and not bring upon himself a situation that is much worse.


Well after all this analyzing I have realized that the CV's actually just tweak the characters and situation to add more drama, they dont care about consistency or logic or parenting or anything like that.

I am really waiting for today's episode, because I want to see the precap scene plays out. How will they show Jodha int he coming episodes, the dutiful wife or the worried mother?

It definitely depends on the CV's mood. Jab chaha kisi ko bhi bana diya. 😆

Fathers always expect more from the children, while mothers are happy as long as their children are happy. I think its natures way of accommodating families, the mother is always that binding factor to fathers expectations, in the end the child is only able to move forward because of the expectations of the father and love from the mother. :) :)

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Srilu

U r right - anar should not have come in between.

and salim should not show his anger on Murad.

Here both Salim and Murad are thinking from their own POVs. They don't realise that they need to discuss important issues away from others.

right Radhika... Murad is right in his place... but i feel pity for Salim... he must be feeling betrayed... and worst thing is, nobody understands this... everybody just wants to see him as ideal son and ideal king... but nobody ever asked him what he wants, least of all Jalal... what Jalal has given him since childhood except new punishment in name of making him better person or soldier?

and u know in all this Jo is crushed by both sides... coz if she stands by salim, she will be blamed for not caring for her husband's orders, his honour, and if she stands by Jalal, she will be blamed for not being a good mother...poor soul

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

right Radhika... Murad is right in his place... but i feel pity for Salim... he must be feeling betrayed... and worst thing is, nobody understands this... everybody just wants to see him as ideal son and ideal king... but nobody ever asked him what he wants, least of all Jalal... what Jalal has given him since childhood except new punishment in name of making him better person or soldier?

and u know in all this Jo is crushed by both sides... coz if she stands by salim, she will be blamed for not caring for her husband's orders, his honour, and if she stands by Jalal, she will be blamed for not being a good mother...poor soul